Hugging, kissing and cuddling in Ramzan

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It is permissible for the husband and wife to have sex during the night of the fasts, but it is absolutely forbidden for them to have sexual intercourse with each other during the fasting hours.

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 2 Surah Baqarah verse 187:
Permitted to you on the night of the fasts is the approach to your wives. They are your garments. And ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them and seek what Allah hath ordained for you and eat and drink until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are limits (set by) Allah; approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His signs to men that they may learn self-restraint.

Fiqh-us-Sunnah Fiqh 3.134a
It is reported that 'Aishah said: "The Prophet (saws) would kiss and embrace while he was fasting, for he had the most control of all of you over his desires." Umar said: "I was excited one time and I kissed [my wife] while I was fasting. I went to the Prophet (saws) and said: 'Today I committed a horrendous act--I kissed while I was fasting.' The Prophet (saws) asked: 'What do you think of rinsing with water while fasting?' I said: 'There is nothing wrong with that.' The Prophet (saws) said: 'Then what is the question about?'

Ibn al-Mundhir says: " 'Umar, Ibn 'Abbas, Abu Hurairah, 'Aishah, 'Ata, ash-Sha'bi, al-Hassan, Ahmad, and Ishaq permit kissing. The Hanafiyyah and Shaf'iyyah say that it is disliked if it incites one's desires. If it does not do so, it is not disliked although it is better to avoid it." There is no difference between an old man or a young man in this matter. The question is whether or not the kiss excites one's desires. If it does, it is disliked. If it does not, it is not disliked although it is best to avoid it. It does not matter if the kiss was on the cheek or on the lips, and so on. Touching with the hand or embracing follow the same ruling as kissing.

Al-Muwatta Hadith Hadith 18.13
Yahya related from Malik from Zayd ibn Aslam from Ata ibn Yasar that a certain man kissed his wife while he was fasting in Ramadan. This made him very anxious, and so he sent his wife to the Prophet (saws) to ask him about that for him. She went in and saw Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet (saws) and mentioned the matter to her, and Umm Salama told her that the Messenger of Allah (saws) used to kiss while he was fasting. So she went back and told her husband that, but it only made him find fault all the more and he said, "We are not like the Messenger of Allah (saws). Allah makes permissible for the Messenger of Allah (saws) whatever He wishes.

His wife then went back to Umm Salama and found the Messenger of Allah (saws) with her. The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, "What's the matter with this woman?", and Umm Salama told him. The Messenger of Allah (saws) said, "Didn't you tell her that I do that myself?" and she said, "I told her, and she went to her husband and told him, but it only made him find fault all the more and say, 'We are not like the Messenger of Allah (saws). Allah makes permissible for His Messenger, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, whatever He wishes.'" The Messenger of Allah (saws) got angry and said, "By Allah, I am the one with the most ‘taqwa’ of Allah of you all, and of you all the one who best knows His limits."

In light of the above guidance of the Messenger of Allah (saws), provided one controls his desire and does not have sexual intercourse with his wife during the fasting hours, there is absolutely no harm if one touches them, or kisses them, or sits, or lies down and sleeps with them.

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I dont think its only limited to sexual intercourse.

After reading googled articles Ive come to the conclusion that as long as you can control your desires, ie. not get aroused you are allowed to hug and cuddle.

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I am married for 11 years. That is why I laughed becaue I agreed with you:)

I dont get it. What my answer has to do with adultery and fornication

Re: Hugging, kissing and cuddling in Ramzan

Rozei mei tau waisey hee mat wajjee hotee hei, bos-o-kinaar kee taraf tawajjau kaisey jayey! However, this doesn't break the fast. That's what we learnt in our Matric (10th grade) Islamiat.

Re: Hugging, kissing and cuddling in Ramzan

lol

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Only some? I wonder why.

It sure seems bizarre that God would reward you for not hugging and cuddling with your spouse, no matter what time of the day or year.

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So fraudia is getting notice to edit his post, while my posts are getting deleted.

What is going on

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I edited my posts on purpose w/o any notice, but thanks for whining anyays.

if my posts questioning just the age of marriage as a deciding factor are going to be removed as irrelevant yet the great insights that the rest of the thread has then there is no point in me participating.

I am out of this thread

Re: Hugging, kissing and cuddling in Ramzan

Mr. Tariq, you can carry your conversation with Hin and Fruadiya in the General Forum. Kindly, do not derail this thread. And our policies and actions are consistent before you point fingers at us. Fraudiya's posts have also been sent to the review forum.
No post is deleted until it is reviewed, so kindly don't whine about your posts being deleted OR give the impression that you are being discriminated against.

Thanks a lot for your cooperation.

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hmm what happened here??

What does how many years has one been married got to do with anything??

Whats a good old 20 years of marriage good for if the spouses havent been loyal to each other in the first place.

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Thanks for replying but please watch the attitude before you choose your words. Just because you use words like KINDLY and THANKS does not automatically make your post polite

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Attitude Tariq Bhai??? I will just keep quiet this time.
I have been quite respectful all along. Kindly, stop being judgemental.

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I think you are. In fact, I always thought you weren't allowed to have sex at all during the month of Ramadan. But apparently, you are at night (since you're not in a fasting state at that time). There are some arguments between Aisha (R) and Abu Hurayra (R) regarding whether you can start a fast if you've not taken your post-sexual bath yet.

You can do it all. Apparently.

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OK I am sorry, I dont know what got into me. I told fraudia that Pathan in rozaa means dimaagh kee kahraabi

Re: Hugging, kissing and cuddling in Ramzan

You are right, you can start your fast. For Fajr prayer, you have to do ghusl anyway, so it wont be for long