How We Invite

[cherryontop]

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@kaka_in_usa

wow.. you guys are so obsessed with converting other in to your faith. Is there a commission you get or something? i wonder how you would feel if some foreigner in your country comes and starts converting your people.

anyways, if you want to convert me then you will have to bring allah in front of me. i take no man's words.

We are obsessed with converting others to Islam? Have you ever heard of missionaries who are in Africa?? They are converting hundreds of thousands of people to Christianity everyday. I am sure you know what Mother Teresa was doing in India in the first place.

As for Muslim converts, all the ones I have come across have converted because they had an inner awakening and were looking for answers. During their quest, other Muslims may have helped them but their decision to convert came from within. I do not know of any Muslim who converted by force....that itself is an oxymoron since conversion isn't just taking the shahada and calling it a day. You aren't fooling God here. And frankly speaking, us Muslims these days are too disorganized, undisciplined and lazy to actively do daawah.

But it's great that Islam is still able to gain a considerable number of converts everyday through no effort of our own! haha

[girl_on_ice]

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@kaka_in_usa

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@kaka_in_usa

anyways, if you want to convert me then you will have to bring allah in front of me. i take no man's words.

no man can convert you !!!
the only way you will convert is if you read quran (any language that you understand)
and then too if allah ki marzi ho gi

[kaka_in_usa]

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@zobia

are you sure you have enough eyes to see ALLAH SWT???? i can bet you cant even stare sun (you god) for five minutes, let alone the God that even created sun :p

do you mean god is a very shiny object?
if god didnt give me good enough eyes to see god then whose fault is it :p
PS. lets not make it god vs athiest debate. my faith in god is stronger than most of the religious people on this board. Lets just stick to the topic

[kaka_in_usa]

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@cherryontop

We are obsessed with converting others to Islam? Have you ever heard of missionaries who are in Africa?? They are converting hundreds of thousands of people to Christianity everyday. I am sure you know what Mother Teresa was doing in India in the first place.

As for Muslim converts, all the ones I have come across have converted because they had an inner awakening and were looking for answers. During their quest, other Muslims may have helped them but their decision to convert came from within. I do not know of any Muslim who converted by force....that itself is an oxymoron since conversion isn't just taking the shahada and calling it a day. You aren't fooling God here. And frankly speaking, us Muslims these days are too disorganized, undisciplined and lazy to actively do daawah.

But it's great that Islam is still able to gain a considerable number of converts everyday through no effort of our own! haha

Bibi, what christian do has nothing to do with this thread. two wrongs dont make one right.
i was responding to the thread starter who is conspiring to convert others. since i am a non muslim i have a right to say.
but tell me, what if i tried to convert thousands of people in to other religion. would you still keep your cool. what are your thoughts about people leaving islam.

[kaka_in_usa]

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@girl_on_ice

no man can convert you !!! the only way you will convert is if you read quran (any language that you understand) and then too if allah ki marzi ho gi

bibi, i have read quran( not completely though) . and i have read other religious books too.
it only strengthen my existing beliefs and made me realize how blessed i am.
like i said, if god wants me to convert then all he/she has to do is ask :D
i am not anti god.

[shardmanny]

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as the player has said, this is a common misconception among indians regarding muslims. the misconception is that muslims agree to islam being just another religion. however, i would like to point out that this is not true, from the muslim prospective. the reason for dawa (calling others to faith) is done because we believe in the scriptures and to all of islam ie it is the only form of salvation, all the lands belong to Allah SWT, and all the lands should be used for the glory and praise of Allah SWT

for further athiest understanding, there are many expansionist groups in the world ie capitalists, commies, christians, states, empires, muslims. if you are a capitalist living in one of its centers you will probably like capitalism, however if you are worker working in africa to feed capitalism but go hungary yourself the flaws become apparant. not everyone in the world can be wealthy at the same time, that is a rule of monetary exhange. the islamic system doesnt even have a liking for money, we believe it is from The Creator SWT. it is system which seeks to give away monetary wealth. a platform to meet the mere needs of the people and yet the people are content through the spiritual and religious realm.

this will be the ruling system of the world when the world ends thus achieving when all the lands are used for the glory and praise of Allah SWT. like chintu says he needs god to come infront of him, the breaking of the cross will not give him such a pleasure but it will remove all ambiguity from the hearts of the unbelievers

the advantages of islam over other religions are:
tawheed - one and only god
Quran - proofs and signs from god
sayings and advice of RasoolAllah - advice for all generations
complete way of life from divine source- from morning to night, from law to personal hygiene

i dont feel the need to address out and out polytheist religions but a prophet came to the egyptians (musa as) and the people believed in him. they are still waiting for the messiah but are essentially a born into religion. meanwhile another prophet came to them and they rejected him and tried to kill him, but others believed in him (isa as) they are too waiting for a messiah but they are confused as to if he, isa as, was god or not. RasoolAllah came with tawheed and the Quran

now if someone is still following me, there only remains the question of existence of god. for that it is proof enough that WE exist. God is the originator of all creation, The Creator. belief of people in the prophets, and the similarity of revelation of the prophets, is further proof of the existence the very god that i believe in. for example if you look at the map of arabia, middle east pre and post prophethood,you will see how quickly it expanded. people put their life and limbs on the line for what their companion, RasoolAllah, brought with his, blessed, self

[cherryontop]

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@kaka_in_usa

Bibi, what christian do has nothing to do with this thread. two wrongs dont make one right. i was responding to the thread starter who is conspiring to convert others. since i am a non muslim i have a right to say. but tell me, what if i tried to convert thousands of people in to other religion. would you still keep your cool. what are your thoughts about people leaving islam.

Well in your original post, you singled out Muslims as if they are the only ones obsessed with converting people to Islam. That's definitely not the case. And like I mentioned, the current state of Muslims is so dismal that they don't even have it in them to encourage people to convert. They are too busy fighting amongst themselves.

As for trying to convert other people to your religion, sure go ahead. That has absolutely nothing to do with me. I have no feelings of resentment towards people who leave Islam. To each their own. But I do have strong feelings against people who leave Islam but them make it their life long obsession to consistently bash the religion. I don't get that! It's like ok you're not even a Muslim anymore so why do you care if according to your twisted views Islam is so 'horrible'? Live and let live!

[kaka_in_usa]

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^^ well cherry, atlast we agree on something.
btw i dont try to convert anybody to anything except i try to make people believe in science. I was just making a point about hippocracy of certain people.
i dont care if you believe in any traditional religion, believe in door knob or atheist. doesnt matter to me. religion is personal not a political doctrine. jeo aur jeene do.

[Aussindian]

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In the USA, they found the criminals in prisons, were the best source for conversion to Islam.
So perhaps that the place you should start with.

History shows that Muslims that conquored countries, offer the losers, the choice of "Death or Islam". Thats another way to go about it.

1 out of 5 people (22%) in this world is a Muslim only.
Yet even between this group, there are serious divisions - Ismaili, Shia, Sunni etc.

[shardmanny]

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@kaka_in_usa

^^ well cherry, atlast we agree on something. btw i dont try to convert anybody to anything except i try to make people believe in science. I was just making a point about hippocracy of certain people. i dont care if you believe in any traditional religion, believe in door knob or atheist. doesnt matter to me. religion is personal not a political doctrine. jeo aur jeene do.

so you want to convert people to believe in science and in anycase people should not take political doctrine from religion

although islam is proof of science, it also has political doctrines, you have already exibited the hypocrisy you talk of

In the USA, they found the criminals in prisons, were the best source for conversion to Islam. So perhaps that the place you should start with.

History shows that Muslims that conquored countries, offer the losers, the choice of "Death or Islam". Thats another way to go about it.

1 out of 5 people (22%) in this world is a Muslim only. Yet even between this group, there are serious divisions - Ismaili, Shia, Sunni etc.

the 'death or islam' is offered to people already sentenced to death for certain crimes
if as you suggest islam is to be spread by force, then india would have been muslim a long long time ago

dont forget we ruled over you for so long, and we will rule over you again. at no point will we force you to convert

[Aussindian]

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Pakistan is a glowing example of how muslims 'invite' non muslims to join Islam.
From 15% non muslim population at the time of partition, there are hardly 2-3% left.

In the Mogul rule - they were wiser than the average pakistani muslim of today. They kept religion seperate from politics.. Shinning example being Akbar. During his time there was unity and prosperity.

Come Aurangzeb - that guy decided to thrust & force 'Islam' in every non muslims face, guess what! There were wide spread revolts to his rule everywhere, in Maratha Shivaji revolted, in Punjab the Sikhs revolted, this ultimately led to the defeat of muslims and capture of Lahore.

So my advice is stop 'inviting' non muslims to join Islam. It is offensive & an intrusion in ones personal beliefs.

[The_Player]

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Muslims are not the only ones in this conversion business. I think Christians take the lead.

Some posters here may not like it, but the fact is that the spread of Islam has mainly been through military conquests/forced conversions be it through Abu Bakr or Aurangzeb.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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^^ What does it say about munafaquat?

sorry this was originally for letal kameez but he ran away after opening this thread.

Peace Kaka! i didn't ran awayed and for your kind info plz refer to post# 1 what i asked. Moreover i respect what u believe so don't want to move off the track. Like u said jiyo of jeenay do. However if u want to discuss than u r welcome.

U (above underlined word) asked the meaning of Munafiqun or its written something else? If Munafiqun than its means hypocrite and again this is not what i asked for discussion in this thread.

[kaka_in_usa]

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Well if you didnt run away then what took you so long to reply. anyways you are back so my apologies.

munafiqun is a very valid and related topic. you want to convert other people but call it jew/ christian conspiracy if others try to convert you or open such a thread. would you still welcome your sister.brother if they decided to convert in to other religion.

dealing with a convert and an apostate in different way is not a munafaquat then tell me what is it?

[kaka_in_usa]

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so you want to convert people to believe in science and in anycase people should not take political doctrine from religion

although islam is proof of science, it also has political doctrines, you have already exibited the hypocrisy you talk of

the 'death or islam' is offered to people already sentenced to death for certain crimes if as you suggest islam is to be spread by force, then india would have been muslim a long long time ago

dont forget we ruled over you for so long, and we will rule over you again. at no point will we force you to convert

most of what you wrote is chilsish and absurd but i will like to reply to your last line.
no mmuslims didnt rule hindus, it was few muslim kings who ruled both muslims and hindus of certain part of india.
And about your wet dream that somehow you will rule us again?? i am sure your american masters have given you permission to write this while they are killing your people and dropping some coins in your begging bowl.

[lethal_kamikaze]

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Peace Kaka & Aussindian!

I knw what your trying to say here. That wasn't i meant while opening this thread as i thought replies from our belief. :)

[lethal_kamikaze]

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