Re: How to spread Islam?
:D yea.......quite true........
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A similar example of this is the Khalifat in World War 1. The Khalif declared what was without doubt a righteous jihad (the goal in joining the war was to reclaim Muslim lands the Christian Russians had taken). However, particularly given that by that stage many Turks had weak faith, the whole war was a disaster apart from a single battle.
If attempts to invite others to Islam will lead to war, then should others be invited to Islam whlst the Muslim nation itself is of weak faith? Would this surely not lead to disaster of Muslim of weak faith march to fight?
you are thinking that Allah will grant victory to the Muslims all the time, which is obviously not the case
the examples are Uhud and Hunayn
there are a lot evidences from the Quran that Allah is putting the believers through trials
I recently heard a lecture on Uhud, the scholar said that if Allah gave victory to the Muslims all the time then there would be no need for tests
then people strong in belief will not get separated from those who are weak in faith
because this is what happens in times of hardship, those with weak faith leave Islam and those with strong faith stand firm and patiently wait for the victory to come
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I remember at one Khubah I listened to, the imam gave a different lesson from Uhud: he said that amongst the Muslims were those who fought more for loot than loveof Allah, and when they broke away from their positions to gather loot, that’s when the polytheist cavalry broke through to defeat the Muslims.
The lesson was that muslims could only win when all amongst them were pure in their intent, and that the presence amongst them of those who fought for reasons other than Islam would endanger the victory.
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The lesson was that muslims could only win when all amongst them were pure in their intent, and that the presence amongst them of those who fought for reasons other than Islam would endanger the victory.
This is kind of going off topic from what USResident wanted to talk about but anyways here's another good lesson
that victory in Islam does not refer to victory in the worldly sense
victory in Islam refers to getting Paradise
because the People of the Ditch in Surah Burooj, all of them were killed but Allah says that they achieved a great victory
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So it seems all are in agreement that peaceful preaching is the best way to spread Islam. And I also agree we have no Islamic state. We have muslim countries yet they cannot even unite and act as one confederation under the banner of Islam. People always look up to their leaders and for muslims it is essential that our leader be a beacon of Islamic knowledge and practice, on the contrary we lack such personalities and we are left with localized leaders who use their religous sphere of influence to gain political favor with the state. Traditionally religious direction had always come from the highest bodies of an Islamic state but that is no longer true.
An example of where a leader is of strong conviction and populace are not is Hazrat Ali's caliphate. So people carry much of the burden in how the Islamic state takes shape.
So to spread Islam is by way of example through its followers in a peaceful manner. If we are to do this it is also essential all muslims agree upon the same basic message otherwise it will then become a divisor for the ummah even if done peacefully which we can see manifested in the sects of Shia and Sunni or different madhabs. If we preach Islam to non-muslims it should be the same thing, not different flavors. This edges me closer to the fact that unless muslims bridge their own differences there is little chance to even preach it to others.
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I disagree. Plenty of people are converting to Islam all across the world. The existence of different "flavours" is, if anything, a help rather than a hindrance. People convert to a "flavour" of Islam that appeals to them, rather than having their options limited to a single version that may not appeal to them.
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Different flavors add to the internal strife within muslims though. When these problems surface it is becoming more and more difficult to attract people to Islam. I do not see it as a blessing. The flexibility in fiqh is a blessing but not basic tenets.
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I disagree with what you have said. Islam is not there to please mankind, but Islam is there so that mankind can please Allah. The division of the Muslims into sects has already been prophecized and the solution has been given.
The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “My community will experience everything that the Children of Israel had experienced, following in their footsteps exactly, so much so that if one of their number had approached his mother publicly for sex, one of my community will do the same. The Children of Israel divided into 72 sects. My community will divide into 73 sects, and all of them will be in the Hellfire save one.”
The people asked him: “And which one will that be
He replied: “The one that follows what I and my Companions are upon right now.”
This hadeeth has been classed as Saheeh by some and Hassan by other scholars.
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Sects are definately bad. Madhabs, on the other hand, are not sects. And the existence of different Sahih hadiths showing different rules in Islam shows that there have been different "flavours" of Islam even at the time of the Prophet (pbuh).
An example is the positioning of the hands during prayers. Shafi and Jafari madhabs use Sahih hadiths top show that hands need to be by the side, whilst Maliki, Hanafi and Hanbali madhabs use sahih hadiths to show that the hands must be clasped durign prayer.
Both sides use authentic hadiths that give contrasting views; showing that both ways of praying existed during the Prophet's (pbuh) lifetime.
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An example is the positioning of the hands during prayers. Shafi and Jafari madhabs use Sahih hadiths top show that hands need to be by the side, whilst Maliki, Hanafi and Hanbali madhabs use sahih hadiths to show that the hands must be clasped durign prayer.
Both sides use authentic hadiths that give contrasting views; showing that both ways of praying existed during the Prophet's (pbuh) lifetime.
Madhabs all agree on the same articles of faith though. Sectarianism is quite different from jurisprudence.
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An example is the positioning of the hands during prayers. Shafi and Jafari madhabs use Sahih hadiths top show that hands need to be by the side, whilst Maliki, Hanafi and Hanbali madhabs use sahih hadiths to show that the hands must be clasped durign prayer.
Both sides use authentic hadiths that give contrasting views; showing that both ways of praying existed during the Prophet's (pbuh) lifetime.
I wasn't referring to madhabs. The difference in madhabs is of fiqh.
Nowadays, there are scholars who issue fatwas for almost anything and if you do a little "fatwa shopping" then you will find what you like, and this is wrong.
I didn't understand what you were referring with your example. I know Hanifis put their hands below the navel, Shafaee and Hanbalis put theirs on the chest, and I've heard that Malikis say it's permissible to leave your hands on the side.
The only opinion that has authentic ahadeeth backing it is putting your hands on the chest. The Hadeeth about putting your hands below the navel is Da'eef. And I think (I could be wrong on this ) the Maliki view comes from the fact that at one time Imam Malik was beaten so badly that he couldn't raise his arms for prayer.
If you know of the authentic ahadeeth backing the above opinions that you mentioned, then I am not familiar with those and I would certainly like to see them.
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I saw it in an article a long time ago... I'll try and find it online again. I may be a bit muddled on the details but it was on the different hadith's used to justify holding the hands differenently in different madhabs.
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Why is it that peaceful preaching is not as effective as it was centuries ago. Does this indicate that muslims no longer have the credentials to backup what they are preaching?
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actually if you just look at the stories in the Quran and in Hadeeth you will realize that the number of true muslims, the mu'mineen will always be small
no matter how large the muslim ummah gets, the numbers of the true believers will always be small
these stories from the Quran and Ahadeeth are very interesting to read because then we can realize what type of mistakes to avoid
if you want, I'll post some of them on here
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no matter how large the muslim ummah gets, the numbers of the true believers will always be small
these stories from the Quran and Ahadeeth are very interesting to read because then we can realize what type of mistakes to avoid if you want, I'll post some of them on here
True. You might like www.sahaba.net
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I didn't understand what you were referring with your example. I know Hanifis put their hands below the navel, Shafaee and Hanbalis put theirs on the chest, and I've heard that Malikis say it's permissible to leave your hands on the side. The only opinion that has authentic ahadeeth backing it is putting your hands on the chest. The Hadeeth about putting your hands below the navel is Da'eef. And I think (I could be wrong on this ) the Maliki view comes from the fact that at one time Imam Malik was beaten so badly that he couldn't raise his arms for prayer. If you know of the authentic ahadeeth backing the above opinions that you mentioned, then I am not familiar with those and I would certainly like to see them.
With regard to Hanifis you are right its Daeef hadith, and below the navel is only in one Hadith and thats in Sunan Abu Dawud.
Prophet leave his arms free if the surah he was reciting was very long and he would get tired, but before gooing to ruku, he would his hands were back on the chest.
The above reason by sherafghan also holds true for Imam Malik.
I think we are going of topic, inclusive of me.
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Are u saying that violent means to spread Islam are also permitted and justified?
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No. In the case where a military conflict becomes necessary then the territory won by the Islamic regime will come under the rule of Islamic law. However an Islamic regime cannot invade to colonize a territory and make it Islamic. If in some area muslims are being oppressed because of their faith then an Islamic regime can attack to protect the muslims should it be necessary.
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Could u cite examples of cases where conflict becomes necessary(?)
Obviously if a country has no muslims to begin with, the pretext of saving "oppressed" muslims doesn't make sense