How to deliver the Capital Punishment ..

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CM, I meant an eye for an eye is as in the killer(s) die the same way they killed the victim? I thought that was Islamic, I may be wrong though!

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I'm not opposed to capital punishment. But, I do not agree with with certain methods of capital punishment.

When you read in the news how certain killers tortured their victims before killing them - wouldn't an eye for eye necessitate torturing the killer in the same way in order to render "justice" according to your logic? That idea of justice is what I disagree with.

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You disagree, but it happened to me and my family and I am sorry you have NO idea how hard it is to have to go through the whole pain of losing someone like that so its easy for you to say 'I disagree with this and with that' but remember the killers just don't kill the person, they ruin his/her family and scar them for life too so for that I'd want it to happen to every killer who kills and for them to die as slowly as possible.

Only THAT would be justice for what they have done.

(No offence ofcourse, in case my language was hasrh :) )

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First of all, I'm sorry to hear that your family had to suffer such a loss - I hope God grants your family peace and forbearance for what they've endured.

I don't take offence at what you've said - there's nothing harsh about your comments - it's your perspective based on your experiences. I will concede that my opinions are based on my ideals and that I've been fortunate enough that my life was untouched by acts of violence. It's possible that my opinion would change if I went through what you did. That being said I pray that God never subjects me to a time when those ideals are tested.

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As Shak said it is easy to hold on to ideals when it doesn't affect you. I do not plan to be rude, but its true. Very few people stick to the ideals when it happens to them.

Sehyrsh. Dead is dead. Why does the method matter?

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Sorry it was madscientist's analogy I disagreed with.

Edited my post. :)

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The method matters because the reason "for killing" is different. When a killer kills - he does so as an act of violence. When a judicial system determines a sentence of death the system and the person administering the sentence takes a human life as a punishment. If the punishment becomes an act of violence - where's the difference between the killer and the executioner and those who sanction the acts of the executioner?

Technically, you could administer death by disembowellment, have the person drawn and quartered, boiled in oil - but by making the convict suffer through these methods of punishment, sure he'll still be dead, but what do the people condoning the punishment in this way experience - is it justice or is it revenge - is there a satisfaction that the convict suffered?

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This leads to a bigger question of what is acceptable and what not acceptable in society. The basic answer is that society defines what is acceptable.

Like in Europe they rather keep pedophiles alive. In Pakistan we rather kill them. There is not one correct answer. There is merely what society deems acceptable. As an example stealing is wrong. But who defined that? Society. Society says cheating is wrong. Again its a judgment that society made as a whole.

Moral issues of what is acceptable is defined by society. Pakistani society by and large follows an Islamic virtue of an eye for an eye. That does include death but the method for some does not matter.

And you where the difference is? Public good. Society and the Government decide what is best for society. A murder being put to death benefits society in the larger scheme.

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There are serial killers who get released on insanity ground. What would you do to them?

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Kill them anyway. They are insane. They have no moral conscious. They are a threat to public security.

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I agree that society's concept of what is morally acceptable is a sliding scale and relative to both time and place. My moral compass places importance on the method of capital punishment - that's on me and no one else.

That speaks to a flawed judicial system. The same system that has sentenced innocent men to death for a crime they were convicted of committing based on circumstantial evidence.

I'll admit ignorance, but I'm curious to know whether Islamic law recognizes insanity as a defence to a crime - does anyone know?

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Anyone dangerous to the society member (s) should be punished.

Insanity can be faked so answer is not easy. All I can say, the balance should be in favor of society rather than this one person. The fact that the person is a serial killer should be enough for this person to be completely isolated from the society whatever method that may be.

Forever/permanent institutionalization regardless if this person shows 'cure' in future is one method.

Moreover, this will deter others thinking of using this excuse to get freedom from being punished.