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I personally don’t care whether its CJ himself in the wrongdoer list or his son, as long as someone can file a case and get justice its all good 
Lets see if army can open up for some accountability itself x2
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free judiciary is all well and good, but the free judiciary needs to be objective, clean, and not politically motivated.
If that is not the case then the judiciary may not be fully free as it will be controlled by greed, political ambition and bias.
If you are calling 'anti-dictatorship' as 'political motivation of judiciary' then that is understandable (knowing your camp :D), however there is great chance that judiciary will evolve to 'unbiased' and objective through its due process but there is very little to no chance of army being non-political and ubiased as we have seen in past 60 years of our history.
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Yup! :k:
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I dont have a camp...'captain'... The only camp I have is one that wants results across the board, human rights, economic, infrastructure, law and order etc etc. a clean, independent and free judiciary is part of it.
You do, we all know :p
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So aside from my alleged camp it appears you are saying that the judiciary is not unbiased and objective, but that there is a great chance that it will get there.
so pardon my concern on that..chance..
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I am not following each and every case proceeding in Supreme Court so I can't really say whether SC is biased or not, I only followed the latest high profile case which seemingly went against the government (camp).
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as we seek to turn a new page in the history of Pakistan the checks and balances require that judiciary is not only indpendent, but clean, objective, unbiased, and not above the law and is answerable to someone.
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This is exactly what I like to see as well, everyone being accountable to law, if judiciary seems to be going against the law they should be held accountable as well, if army is doing anything against the law that should be checked too. Power should be accompanied with accountability.
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nope, not at all, just because I present the opposite side of the picture to people who are hell bent on showing only one face of the picture, does not mean that I, unlike them only see the face of the picture that I am presenting as a counter argument to their biased views :) usually there are no answers from those people to my enquiries and questions.
Thanks for correction, but my view was based on your 'defending' of the government actions not just "presenting" the other POV :)
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:k:
Another fact. Soon after the CJ was suspended back in March, his son Arsalan was on the phone to Nawaz Sharif receiving his support. You know what they say about birds of a feather and all that. 
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^^ Vertebrate animals:) dinosaurs :)
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August 12 gone bahi , no hope of Perseids ! now wait till late october, orionids will show up .
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Another fact, soon after CJ was suspended/made dysfunctional/sent on forced leave, he was visited by PML-Q President Shujaat Hussain in dead of the night.
If u r going to make conspiracy theories, atleast make them twisted and spicy. If not, then take a moment out and substitute Nawaz Sharif’s name from his petition with any XYZ and tell me, was there even a case for govt.?
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birds or mammals?
Nawaz Sharif is short of hair, so I guess it has to be bird in his case. :) Dunno about the CJ's son, but guessing by the way his father supporters have been behaving in recent months (i.e. intimidation, thuggery, outright violence and oh yes wanting to burn the judges) I guess it has to be mammal for him.
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****The Indians did it (or the CIA)](http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=9709203)
Aug 28th 2007
From Economist.com
Our correspondent goes gossiping in Islamabad
I USED to hate Islamabad, where I lived for a few months in 2003. A concrete new city, after a stringent grid design, it was built in the 1960s to exclude anything unseemly, chaotic or poor—which is to say, most of Pakistan.
Islamabad is Abuja, but without the Nigerians, who can never bore. It is Brussels, but without the old buildings and beer. There is nothing much here but government and diplomacy. Islamabad may be the most boring capital in the world.
Yet at least it is easy to get around. And, living as I do now in smoggy, log-jammed Delhi, I appreciate this fact. Breezing in along the airport road—past a notorious fibre-glass model of the Chagai hills, where Pakistan tested its nuclear bombs in 1998—I do not mourn the absence of any rickshaw, bus or truck. The city is open and approachable, as indeed, for the most part, are the bureaucrats, politicians and diplomats that it contains.
Nonetheless, even several days of engaging conversation here can leave you little the wiser about what is going on. Very often, your interlocutors don’t know the truth either. Or else, as with American diplomats alarmingly often, they may think they know, but it turns out that they don’t. The generals and intelligence chiefs of the Inter-Services Intelligence agency (ISI), who tend to rule Pakistan, as currently, do give interviews. But rarely do they give much away.
That leaves most of the country’s 160m people playing an extravagant guessing game about what is afoot. Ample rumour, mystery and smug allusion are a result of this. Here are a few Pakistani favourites:
Q: Why did the ambulance ferrying Muhammad Ali Jinnah (the country’s founding father) to hospital, as he was dying, break down?
A: The Indians/Americans/ISI fixed the engine.
Q: Why did a plane carrying Zia ul-Haq, a cruel army ruler of the 1970s and 80s, crash?
A: The Americans/Indians/ISI blew it up.
Q: Who destroyed the World Trade Centre in 2001?
A: The Israelis. Or the CIA. Or maybe India did this one too, though I have yet to be told as much.
Where conspiracy theorising is a national habit, a certain amount of damn foolish conversation is unavoidable. By and large, however, Pakistanis are first-rate company. In particular, they rarely exhibit the prickly nationalism of their Indian cousins, which can be a turn-off for foreign guests. In its place, I often find, is a rather beautiful kindred sense, transcending frontiers of race and nationality, of wondering what the hell is going on.
Such is the mood at a party thrown by a friend, let us call him Sohail, at which many Pakistani journalists are gathered. The soirée is held upstairs while Sohail’s brother, a successful arms dealer, gets his accountant drunk downstairs. The current political crisis, unsurprisingly, is hotly discussed. Plenty of wine and whisky ensures that, for about ten hours, this conversation never fades.
Naturally, there is no consensus on what is happening in Pakistan. But in Sohail’s house, and other hideouts of Pakistan’s chattering classes, this seems to be the most common view:
General Musharraf has had it, though his American friends don’t know it.
Benazir Bhutto, by appearing to cosy up to an unpopular military dictator, may have done herself and her party great harm.
Nawaz Sharif, a late runner in this election contest, has profited from her error. In exile, he has thunderously ruled out co-operating with General Musharraf. All of a sudden, he is looking good for the election. Always assuming—though no Pakistani does assume this—that an election is held.
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hmmmm so this journalist does agree that islamabad is probably the world's most boring capital.
take that you isloo folks :)
nothing new there
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what misguided soul is that?