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Bhai, I am not justifying anyone or anything (neither I would like to go into the argument of legality or illegality), I am just saying that if I was in place of President Musharraf, I would have done that what I wrote (without worrying about consequences) and believe me, I would have done that even at the cost of my life :halo:
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Brother ... carry on laughing, this is life :) Sometime in this worldly life one have to ignore legality and illegality as that could become shackle in the way when something drastic need to be done.
The general might be "hoping" from "corrupt" CJs recently but what good he do by bringing corrupt elements from political scene onboard who froze NAB? That was some "hope"???
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how to deal with our supreme court ?
Respect the verdicts that are so crucial for social justice in Pakistan :k: when justice is so far fetched thing in Pakistan its a hope to live by.. see how wani by jirgahs is being stopped by verdicts when administration failed! missing people tortured by agencies being produced, scams such as sugar, stock market, land mafia, steel mill are being brought in forefront.. etc.
Economic hardships are temporary fases for a nation - but justice done is an ever lasting phenomenon.. so much $$$ poured during barbaric rule of Zia and Musharaf but it did nothing for common masses..
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King Faisal
Go and invest in Altaf Hussain's London secretariat, we are better off without your money.
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hahaha yea CJ is up to no good. He is directly responsible for Faisal bahi losing tons of money in stocks market. lol
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What is the return rate on that? 
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The chief Justice who is guilty of corruption and nepotism and Supreme Court judges that gives protection to CJ corruption and nepotism, what one can expect from such Supreme Court?
Its not CJ who decides on any matter alone. Justices vote to decide the case on the merit. So, why are just blaming CJ? There are 17 judges on the SC. BTW, CJ was cleared of any wrong doing by unanimous bench of SC with all 13 judges agreeing with CJ lawyers.
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Good post. Lets see will the SC keep up the good work after Musharraf.
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Its not CJ who decides on any matter alone. Justices vote to decide the case on the merit. So, why are just blaming CJ? There are 17 judges on the SC. BTW, CJ was cleared of any wrong doing by unanimous bench of SC with all 13 judges agreeing with CJ lawyers.
Wrong - it was not a unanimous verdict.
Also, it's been 5 weeks since that judgement and still they have not been able to produce the full judgement on the case, which will have to address the question of "who judges the judges". Till now they are basically saying judges are above the law. If the corruption charges against Iftikhar are false - fine. At least let's first see a separate investigation by the Supreme Court into each and every corruption charge made against him. Until that is done he remains tainted by the allegations.
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if chaprasees could understand reasoning and logic, they would:
a. not be chaprasees
b. nawaz shareef supporters
since nawaz shareef was kicked out, kse-100 index has risen by more than 600%. with these kind of returns, investors who had bought stocks in this period can cash in all their investment today and live of the returns for the rest of their lives. 3% loss yesterday makes no differenece when you put it in the context of return earned over the last 6-7 years. moreover even after the loss yesterday, kse is still up by 20% this year. so investors who cash out now will still post a very healthy gain for this year.
also very telling people are celebrating loss in kse. tells you the nature of people who oppose musharraf.
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Wrong - it was not a unanimous verdict.
I was unanimous decision to restore CJ and 10 to 3 decision to not to send the case to SJC.
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king faisal,
Good input :k:
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also very telling people are celebrating loss in kse. tells you the nature of people who oppose musharraf.
who is celebrating loss of kse? care to elaborate?
Also, you keep crying about "investment" without paying attention to "justice".... it only goes to show your greed.
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cart before the horse, if Mushy as so concerned about the economy instead of his own kursi he could resign, Pakistans key problem is its inability to have a peaceful transtion of power. Musharrafs term has again shown how Army rule with "growth" and not development leads to increasing class/social/ethnic and religo-political tensions and polarisation.
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how is it the supreme court's fault that the economic team will be disbanded? and why are politicians (and army brass) NOW not having unchecked control, by all accounts corruption has remained the same or increased. inface the judiciary has in recent times taken pretty bold steps to check politicians, the case of the PPP MNA springs to mind.
predictably we see the govt and its supporters sharpening knives and coming up with BS arguments to subdue an assertive judiciary.
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Didn't a recent survey say that the judiciary was one of the top most corrupt institutions in Pakistan?
Also, what happened to that detailed judgement from the Supreme Court on the Presidential Reference. It's been 5 weeks, and no sign of it. Is the accused CJ writing it himself?!
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^ see you need coherence in your arguments. if you oppose the judiciary because its one of the most corrupt institutions in Pakistan then you should've been consistent and not lauded Musharraf for letting the courts settle the reference, you should've been consistently opposed to the courts on that basis alone. only citing that when it comes to its opposition to Musharraf and being happy with a corrupt judiciary under normal circumstances is rank hypocricy.
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^ see you need coherence in your arguments. if you oppose the govt because its one of the most corrupt institutions in Pakistan then you should've been consistent and not lauded the judges for letting Ifti off scott free on the corruption allegations or overlook the superior corruption in the judiciary. Allegations of rank hypocrisy can work both ways.
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zakk although the religio tensions were more due to him banning some militant groups prior to 9/11 and then pakistan's role against terrorists after 9/11.
as far as the ethnic strife, I do believe it was worse in the 90s in general, I dont recall seeing the type of ethnic and sectarian violence now that I saw back then.
balochistan was an issue then too, and ethnically divisive folks like wali khan, ghaffar khan, GM syed, altaf etc were yip yapping away.
this is not to say that things have been great or desirable under army rule but lets not present it as things have been great under civilian rule.
Fraudz: Ayub Khans rule was directly responsible for the increase in tensions economically between East and West pakistan and within Pakistan with the Baloch in particularly.
Similarly Zia created the sectarian bug and the basis for the present religious tensions.
Musharrafs policies of marginalising mainstream parties for his own sake created a vacuum which has led to the breakdown of the writ of the state in many parts of the country (talibanisation). His policies of divide and rule have created a level of resentment against the Army which is unprecedented. He has also overseen military operations ,if you discount Kargil, at least 1300 soldiers death and if you include kargil nearly 2000 (and God knows how many wounded). Those are levels of losses that are unprecedented in Pakistan post 1988. There may have been a lot of aggressive rhetoric by Pakistani polticians in the past( I disagree that Ghaffar khan was one of them) but thats a far cry from open violence. I agree things were not great under civilian rule, however to argue that things are better now or somehow improving is quite at odds with both history and common sense.
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Didn't a recent survey say that the judiciary was one of the top most corrupt institutions in Pakistan?
I believe it was "police" as the most corrupt institution.