So guys, how should we counter the indian influence in USA? Now one more indian has been elevated to the post of USAID. Apparently Clinton and Obama are under huge influence of these… people.
What should be our strategy vis-a-vis lobbying in the US? This is specially for those patriotic Pakistanis who are living in the US. How can you promote Pakistan’s point of view and counter the indian propaganda?
Any thoughts?
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Given the number of Indians in the US, I'd say they are grossly under represented in key positions.
Clinton and Obama are not in the least bit influenced by Indians serving their administration - I'd in fact doubt if they see them more than once a year that too perhaps in a XMas party or something
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^^ Ethnic Pakisani-Americans definitely need to get more organized to counter the indian propaganda and promote their point of view in the US.
Growing influence of indians in the US is a legitime cause of concern for Pakistan and China.
You can keep telling us that you are under-represented, but if several key posts in the white house are occupied by Indians, it must raise an alert for both China and Pakistan.
You are promoting your interests there why should we not do the same?
Chairman of USAID is no small post...BTW.
Given the number of Indians in the US, I'd say they are grossly under represented in key positions.
Clinton and Obama are not in the least bit influenced by Indians serving their administration - I'd in fact doubt if they see them more than once a year that too perhaps in a XMas party or something
I don't agree with you. Indian command much respect after 911 than counterpart Pakistanis. Now the Indian influence on Americans is enormous. Beleive me. However before 911, status of Pakistanis were a different story. Indian took full advantage of 911 and always quote that incident to down the Pakistnis and Muslims in every walk of life.
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Alright guys - have it your way and sweat it all you want.
Oh, also you do realize there about 1000 times more people of Chinese origin in the US government than Indians. So what are you worried about.
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Actually this thread is supposed to be for Pakistani origin people to discuss ways of how Pakistan's point of view can be promoted in the US. And how we can counter indian influence.
Do you really have to derail every Pakistan-related thread?
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You had based this thread on wrong data about Indians in the US. DOn't I have a duty to correct that? Sorry if that's derailing. I'll let you proceed without me injecting any truth into your joust with windmills.
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Wrong data?
Obama appoints Indian-American Rajiv Shah to head USAID - US - World - The Times of India
“..] But the job as USAID administrator is a major promotion, elevating him to a crucial job that involves advancing US foreign policy objectives by supporting economic growth, agriculture and trade; health; democracy, conflict prevention, and humanitarian assistance abroad. Although its predecessor agency International Cooperation Administration dates back to World War II and the Marshall Plan, USAID was formally constituted in 1961 and is considered a crucial foreign policy arm of the US government. ..]”
*…]Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt and Israel are among the biggest recipients of USAID dollars and Pakistan is soon expected to join the top ranks since much of the US non-military assistance to Islamabad is expected to be sent through USAID. As of September 2009, the USAID said it had contributed more than $ 170 million in assistance to conflict-affected population in Pakistan. India, which at one time got around $ 160 million in USAID funds (a pittance in per capita terms), has gradually weaned itself off US dole, preferring trade and business opportunities. *
And indians just want us to believe an Indian leading USAID is all good for Pakistan…
WOW, very touchy!
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Pakistan is about to join the ranks of the biggest aid getters. So what are you complaining about? That it is passing through the hands of a person of Indian origin? Here is what the mission statement for USAID is: "The mission of USAID is to advance America's interests by strengthening our relationships abroad."
Secondly, you reference clearly says one of the reasons for this appointment is **increase **developmental aid to Pakistan and Afghanistan.
So if anything, it should be the Indians who should be complaining, not you guys
Clinton and Obama are not in the least bit influenced by Indians serving their administration - I'd in fact doubt if they see them more than once a year that too perhaps in a XMas party or something
Right on!
American policies towards other countries are FIRST and FOREMOST driven by the ......................
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American interests (and American interests ONLY).
You don't get to be the biggest dog on the block by serving some other master.
Many Pakistanis (by following Arabian mentality) OVERPLAY lobbying influence in the US.
Or perhaps many LOBBYISTS overplay their role, and thus milk many countries around the world from the hard earned cash.
Pakistan's role in the world is the exclusive driver for Pakistan-US relationship. Lobby or no Lobby, Indians cannot do a squat about it.
Think about this.
Pakistan has been in close relationship with the US since Liaqat Ali's time. Tell me what was the Pakistani lobby or Indian lobby doing in Washington back then?
Nothing! Zilch, Nada, Shunny, A BIG FAT ZERO.
And the same is true, right now. Americans like any other super-power of the time, play by their own rules. If you fit in those rules, you are good as gold. If you don't fit in those rules, then you will be Axis of Evil.
Turks acted the same way, Romans did the same, Persians and Abbasi behaved the same way as the USA in today's world.
Sure the style is different, the language is different, but the basic driving principle are the same since the time of Baba Ji Adam and Amma Ji Hawwa.
Case in point.
Turks or Khilafate Usmania constantly and consistently beat the cr@p out of Palestinians and other Middle Eastern Arabs. Why?
Arabs in general and Palestinians in particular DID NOT want to play by the Turkish rules.
Given the number of Indians in the US, I'd say they are grossly under represented in key positions. ...
This is "largely" correct and fair assessment.
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So any serious Pakistani experts to discuss the ways how to promote our point of view in USA and make them realize that it serves the best interest of USA to have friendly relationship with Pakistan based on mutual respect. We should make USA realize that listening to some powerful lobbies which are pushing Uncle Sam to one war after the other, does not serve american interest. As the recent history has also shown.
The incresingly influential indian lobby should be neutralized by active awareness.
Any ideas how can this be achieved?
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3 ingredients are key:
1) Increase mutual trade in goods and services by making it easier and safer for US firms to business
2) Create an atmosphere of equitable law and trust. Equitable = non discriminatory
3) Teach students modern business language