How may UN Resolutions has the United States Veteoed? (Merged)

Over the last few days America’s wannabe 51st state i.e. Great Britain has mentioned going ahead with action against Iraq even if an “unreasonable veto or veto’s” blocks a second UN resolution.

So the question is how many UN Resolutions has the United States veteod over the years (mostly condemning Israel of course)? If the US-UK are going to set the precedent of ignoring UN Resolutions on the basis of an “unreasonable veto”, then surely they will not mind if others states around the world do exactly the same the next time they veto a UN resolution?

While Bush has called on UN to honor Resolution 1441 on Iraq, it has vetoed close to 30 resolutions critical of Isreal. Most notably Resoluion 242 (which called for Israel to withdraw from territories, including the West Bank and Gaza Strip, captured in the 1967 war) andResolution 338

The US has even threatened to withdraw from the United Nations if Israel were to be suspended for failing to abide by UN resolutions.

While that’s not surprising - they have veteod dozens of UN resolutions, and that put an end to other states taking any unilateral action by arguing that those were unreasonable veto’s. But here they are with the UK justifying taking unilateral action in defiance of the UN even if more than one state uses the veto. Here are the latest comments by the actual American “Foreign Secretary” - Tony Blair has said he would be willing to go to war against Iraq even if more than one country vetoes a second United Nations resolution](BBC NEWS | UK | Politics | Straw hints at new Iraq deadline)

Uh, …5Abi. The US did NOT veto either 242 (which passed unanimously) or 338 (which passed 14 to 0). Which history book did you read that says the US vetoed those resolutions?

I think a more interesting question, because the US threatens the UN with irrelevancy, would be: How many resolutions did the US vote for but not see to it that they were implemented as specified? (That is, how many were voted for and then ignored?)

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I think a more interesting question, because the US threatens the UN with irrelevancy, would be: How many resolutions did the US vote for but not see to it that they were implemented as specified? (That is, how many were voted for and then ignored?)
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That is an interesting question for a number of reasons. If the argument is that there are a whole bunch of UN Security Council Resolutions that the UN has done nothing to implement and therefore the UN should not try to implement its Iraq Resolutions, then the UN (rather than the US) has already made itself irrelevant as nothing more than a debating society.

I would guess that there are a lot more UN Security Council Resolutions that have NOT been implemented than there are Resolutions that have been implemented by force.

A broader question is whether the UN ought to enforce Security Council Resolutions by force. If not, it is irrelevant. If so, then the fact that few Resolutions have been implemented by force in the past is not a valid argument against implementing the Iraq Resolutions.

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Uh, ....5Abi. The US did NOT veto either 242 (which passed unanimously) or 338 (which passed 14 to 0). Which history book did you read that says the US vetoed those resolutions?
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myvoice :) Thank you for correcting me. Im not a student of history :/. So these resolutoins were passed unanimously by the US. Do you agree that Isreal now stands in defiance of these resolutions for some 35+ years ?

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Do you agree that Isreal now stands in defiance of these resolutions for some 35+ years ?
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I'll answer regarding 242 because I am more familiar with it. UN Security Council 242 imposes duties upon both the Palestinians and the Israelis. The primary dual responsibility is to negotiate mutually acceptable borders which would lead to the Israeli withdrawal from most of the occupied territories. Those who claim the Israelis are in violation of 242 believe that under that resolution Israel had the unconditional duty to withdraw from ALL captured territories. That is FALSE. If you read the history of the adoption of 242, you will find that the language requiring the withdrawal from "ALL of the territories" was eliminated from the final version in order to get it approved. In the final version, the Israeli duty to withdraw from MOST of the captured territories arises in the context of the parties agreeing upon borders and both parties being safe and secure within those agreed upon borders.

It would be fair to say that both parties have failed to discharge their responsibilities under 242 in good faith. But until the safety and security of both peoples are recognized within mutually agreeable borders, Israel has no duty to withdraw to anywhere.

I have expressed many times my viewpoint that the UN ought to step in and decide the final borders since the parties seem unwilling to do so. The parties were very close to resolving the border issue during the Taba talks in January 2001. The differences were very small. The UN should accept the Taba framework and then compromise the disputes down the middle. Then the UN should tell the parties, if you can't resolve the matter differently within the next 30 days, these are your borders and we will take all steps necessary and appropriate to implement 242 in accordance with these borders.

Re: How may UN Resolutions has the United States Veteoed?

Well here is an interesting question. i did a quick check off the 'net, and it seems that the US has “vetoed some 40 resolutions condemning Israel, and successfully prevents any action constraining it or protecting its victims. The votes are usually in the order of 150- 2, but this near unanimity cannot offset the power of the global rogue.” (Source). i am not certain how accurate this is; another source states that, “In 29 separate cases between 1972 and 1991, the United States has vetoed resolutions critical of Israel. Except for the U.S. veto, these resolutions would have passed and the total number of resolutions against Israel would now equal 95 instead of 66.” This article, however, was published in 1991 so i assume that in the ensuing 11 years, there have been more opportunities where the US has utilized its veto.

For a few more details, one should read this book, an excerpt of which states, “The U.S. has repeatedly vetoed Security Council resolutions and blocked General Assembly resolutions and other U.N. initiatives on a whole range of issues, including aggression, annexation, human rights abuses, disarmament, adherence to international law, terrorism, and others.”

Given that successive US govts. have really outdone themselves in wielding the veto to their favour at the Security Council, i think it is only fair to state that the US should be prepared to accept the decisions of other countries’ using their vetoes. Hey afterall - just a taste of your own medicine, right.

For the above reasons, i hope i don’t hear any whining from the US administration when France or Germany or Russia or China wield their vetoes against the invasion-Resolution. As you sow, so shall you reap.

Nadia if the USA has veteod 40 UN Resolutions against Israel alone, then it’s most loyal of allies, the UK is not far behind in wielding the veto which it is now so keen on ignoring if others use it.

The UK has used its security council veto on 32 occasions since 1945. Any attempt to disregard these votes on the ground that they were “unreasonable” would have been deplored as an unacceptable infringement of the UK’s right to exercise a veto under UN charter article 27.](War would be illegal | Politics | The Guardian)

I can't help but think that this whole affair between the US and the UN now over Iraq is the same thing as what the British did in 1956 over Suez.

Eden wanted to remove Nasser at all costs, was going to go ahead with just the French, but Eisenhower objected on the grounds that it was simple imperialism. He demanded that Anthony Eden at least exhaust all possible avenues for a peaceful solution. So a few were tried knowing they would fail. The last move - the one that was to legitimize the effort - was to bring their case before the UN Security Council. The only reason Eden did this (he was getting pretty nutty and just wanted to get on with it) is because he knew the UN would either not act at all or act in a way not as damning as he wished, thereby allowing him to say "I tried! The international community just isn't reasonable!" and going ahead with his plans.

Let's hope, for everyone's sake, that this is not another Suez.

…if the USA has veteod 40 UN Resolutions against Israel alone, then it’s most loyal of allies, the UK is not far behind in wielding the veto which it is now so keen on ignoring if others use it.
Malik, that is pretty shocking - 32 Resolutions vetoed against by the UK. At least 40 by the US against Israel alone (God knows how many altogether). And now these two very countries are railing against France, Russia and Germany for stating they will use their veto?
From start to finish this has hypocrisy written all over this issue.

Spoon, The parallels with Suez are very interesting.
If you don’t mind my asking this, would you mind reading this piece; it has different contributions to it, but the one that probably relates to your comments the most are Avi Shlaim’s. If you have the time, please let me know what your opinions are of his comments as i would be interested to read them. My thanks in advance.

Nadia, I’m reading it now.. I started a thread on parallels between Iraq and Suez a long time ago but let it die before it got anywhere. I’ll post my reply there and we can turn that thread into a discussion of general history, so as to not throw this one off track. Here is the thread: Suez 1956 v. Iraq 2003.

Alright, thank you, Spoon… i am going to read that thread in a bit more detail and hopefully post my reply later tonight i promise.
Thank you for reading that. i really appreciate it :flower1: :flower1:

Might is Right...

Update: since 1945…

The veto and how to use it

USSR/Russia: 120 vetoes. Only two vetoes since the collapse of the Soviet Union
US: 76 vetoes. Blocked 35 resolutions criticising Israel.
UK: 32 vetoes, 23 times with the US. All solo UK vetoes on Zimbabwe
France: 18 vetoes, 13 with the US and UK
China: 5 vetoes

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US: 76 vetoes. Blocked 35 resolutions criticising Israel.
UK: 32 vetoes, 23 times with the US. All solo UK vetoes on Zimbabwe

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So the US and UK have either alone or together veteod 85 UN Resolutions. Yet not once in those 85 times did the other major powers turn round and say that those veto's were "unreasonable", disregard them, and take unilateral action of their own. Now the US-UK maybe about to set a dangerous international precedent of ignoring international law and the UN charter, and which others could also follow in the future.

Exactly, Malik.
The height of irony is that we are being informed that this abrogation, this abandonment, of international law must take place in order to uphold international law :rolleyes: Orwell would be turning in his grave at the sheer double standards of current events. How dangerously miscalculated to think that the world will be a safer place if we bypass multilateral organizations.

Remember that comment - who was it who stated something to the effect of ‘we will work multilaterally when we can, unilaterally when we must’?

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Remember that comment - who was it who stated something to the effect of 'we will work multilaterally when we can, unilaterally when we must'?
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That is Bush speak, meaning in effect we will act with others when others agree with us, and if they don't we'll go it alone. If they go war in violation of the UN and international law, then they are going open up a pandora's box that will allow others states to do exactly the same in the future. Will they be able to accpet that?

aa, all pls read excellent article re this thread…MPAC did an alert praising this article but i cant find it…have a look at ww.mpacuk.org anyway,thanks ws aaf

One US rule for Israel, another for Saddam

For 30 years, America has acted hypocritically in wielding its UN veto

Henry Porter
Sunday February 16, 2003
The Observer

Britain and America may have to dilute their demands if they are to persuade the Security Council to consider a new resolution. Britain’s Ambassador to the UN, Sir Jeremy Greenstock, talked of ‘offering new language’, an altogether less belligerent approach than the run-up to the meeting in November when resolution 1441 was adopted.
It seems likely that the US-UK strategy will rely on the threat in a paragraph at the end of 1441: ‘The council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violation of its obligations.’ All members of the council have already voted in favour of this.

Whatever the form of words eventually accepted, the US and UK are still certain to meet opposition from Europe and in turn the hawks in the US government will condemn those urging a veto of early action in Iraq. So it is a good moment to remember America’s own record of vetoing resolutions critical of Israel.

To raise this at any time, but especially now, will inevitably be considered to be anti-American and anti-Israeli, possibly even anti-Semitic. But it is none of these things. There is long-term legal and political inconsistency between the treatment of Israel and other countries in the region, and the greatest weakness in America’s case on Iraq is that it shows no signs of acknowledging its history of favouritism.

In the past 30 years, America has vetoed 34 resolutions that criticise Israel and seek to restrain its behaviour. These failed most recently in a demand for the restoration of land seized from the Palestinians and a cessation of construction in East Jerusalem and the West Bank. Even in the relatively minor case from November 1990, when the UN wanted to send three Security Council members to Rishon Lezion, where an Israeli gunman had shot seven Palestinian workers, the US vetoed the wishes of the other 14 countries on the council.

Over three decades Arabs have come to understand that the cards are stacked against them. What is important, but rarely understood, in the United States is that each case against Israel seems just as compelling in Arab eyes as the need for Saddam’s disarmament is to George Bush.

Now that America wants the permanent members of the Security Council to vote for a new resolution, or at least seek a definition of ‘serious consequences’ in 1441 as meaning military action, Europeans should remind the US of this appalling record of bias and seek to link the discussion about Iraq to the situation between Israel and the Palestinians.

In a way, the resolutions stifled by Washington in the past 30 years were unnecessary because so many of the issues raised are covered by a resolution which was supported by the US in November 1967 - the famous resolution 242, which underlines that Israel must return territory acquired in war.

This is still active, but 35 years on the Israelis remain in material breach of 242, a breach made all the more flagrant by continued building and settling in the occupied territories. Despite Israeli denials, the message is clear. Israel is not prepared to exchange conquered territory for peace and would appear to prefer to become embroiled in a dirty war with terrorist groups rather than give up a square inch to the Palestinians.

Israeli defiance of 242 and the subsequent resolutions passed with US help that reaffirm it have been a chronic destabiliser in the Middle East. The Israelis will not shift and the US has done almost nothing to make them. In fact, its financial and military support has achieved the opposite of compliance. If France or Russia had undermined Security Council resolutions against Iraq to this degree, we can only imagine the indignation and rage of men such as Donald Rumsfeld and Dick Cheney.

So Americans want it both ways. That is not unusual for the world’s dominant power, but to claim that a disarmament of Saddam should be undertaken primarily to secure peace in the region is to neglect the permanent threat to peace caused by Israel’s intransigence. There are many good arguments for toppling Saddam, especially the treatment of his 23 million subjects, but to Arabs they will not carry much weight until the West squares up to Israel and insists on compliance of 242.

Those who make policy know this is right, but say it is also unrealistic. Israel has nuclear weapons and it is a fact of life that America is forced to intervene in the Middle East to prevent challenges to Israel’s regional dominance. It would, of course, be far more dangerous for Israel to act overtly on its own behalf as the great military power that it now is.

If America is to be Israel’s chaperone and agent, it cannot also be its policeman. The role must fall to others, as Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, perhaps came near to admitting on the BBC Iraq debate. He said that Israel-Palestine issue should be addressed with much more ‘energy’ after any war against Iraq. That energy is unlikely to come from America, partly because of the Jewish lobby, although its influence is sometimes exaggerated, but mostly because it is powerless to control the state to which it so uniquely obligated.

Although discussions in the Security Council over the next week will focus on Iraq, Israel should be brought into the picture. The European are in a position to insist on linkage - joint resolutions that address both Iraq and Israel and have equal force in the eyes of the world. That way regime change might be achieved in Iraq without the appalling consequences in the Arab world that are widely and rightly feared. Compliance in Israel is just as much a requirement as it is in Iraq.