In addition, I would like to know how many wives did the prophet actually have children with...
I don’t think one should bring Hazrat Muhammad ( P.B.U.H ) in this debate , according to authentic islamic history and most of muha’dis are agreed on this fact that he ( P.B.U.) got married or have performed Nikkah 11 times and at the time of his death nine ummah.til momenen were alive . Tariq bahi stated *‘This makes it look like that our own Prophet Mohammed went against the teaching of Quran (Astaghfarullah) as most of his marriages were during the time of peace and not war.’ *
Hazarat Muahammad (P.B.U.H) never went against quran . To my understanding islam was in state of war till Mecca was conquered by the Muslims on the 10th day of Ramadan on January 630 AD (8 AH) and the prophet’s last nikkah was done in 7 AH and most of his marriages were done for social and political reasons and expect Ummah.ul momenen Hazrat Ayesha , all other mothers were widows .
Therefore I agree with hyponotix’s statement that Polygamy in peaceful and fruitful times is NOT a Quranic Concept .
else then hazrat Ibrahim , all were from Hazrat Khadija . Hazrat Ibrahim was from Hazrat Muhammad ( p.b.u.h) 's baandi Mariaa .
so prophet acutally had children with one wife only !
But what having children has to do with number of wives? How does that comment fit this debate.
And if your "muslims were in war till fatah-e-makka" comment can be taken true then are we still not in war. As a matter of fact, we are in constant phase of war from last 1500 years. So the ruling of having more wives during war is always valid.
On this particular subject, this is really a very strange interpration of Quran which I am hearing for the first time in this forum
tariq bahi , children 's comment doesnt fit i know , i was just answering the question asked by hypo .
Actually it does fit... the prophet and many of his companions gave shelter and refuge to women/girls who were either widowed/orphaned during the time of war or had left their husbands who chose to remain non-muslim. They married these women to prevent slander, not to satisfy their masculinity... IMO many stories are propelled in the name of tradition that are fabricated.
hey bro,
one spouse will be fine, and in today's times, if you find one who is really able to understand you then why divide yourself among more than one??
Most men cant handle one headache.......its rare they would go for 4..lol
The more...isnt merrier in this connection.
lol that's a very good way to look at it... God's system is logical :) marriage is quite an undertaking and you better be sure that the one you will spend your life with is a good match (nevermind four).
Well, if Shariat is based on the Quran, then its safe to say that Allah suggests polygamy as a solution to a situation where you might fear doing something wrong to an orphan. You know, like having an affair with a girl helpless and alone.
That's not me making this stuff up. The ayah's translation is posted in this thread.
And yes, I wrote in haste - its not a maximum of 4 over your lifetime. Its a maximum of 4 at any given point in time.
Now, look, that doesn't mean you have the right to marry 4, and then when you want a 5th, you pick your least favorite of the 4 and ditch her. But then, I'm not the person that'll be judging your sorry behind on Judgement Day :)
else then hazrat Ibrahim , all were from Hazrat Khadija . Hazrat Ibrahim was from Hazrat Muhammad ( p.b.u.h) 's baandi Mariaa .
so prophet acutally had children with one wife only !
There is much speculation over whether Maaria was a slave or whether the Prophet had married her by the time he had a child with her. History, I'm afraid, isn't too clear on this.
What debate bhai. You use big words and start calling it a debate.
I dont want any certificate from you. But yes I still want some proof from that guy who started this thread. Its a pure Buhtaan that he knows Mullas with 5 wives.
If you know someone personaly, please let me know so I admit that I am wrong here, but dont take his side just because you are against me in other thread
There are many such cases in documentation - this original poster might be lying, but that doesn't mean that these things do not happen.
If I remember correctly there is/was an Islamic militant or leader that had more than 4 wives, and he justified it because the Prophet was a leader and so he had more than 4 as well. Was it Osama Bin Laden - If I remember correctly, he was about to marry like either #6 or #8 right before 9-11.
I'm not sure about that, but I do remember something about some old geezer being on his 6th or 8th, and he was some Arab Sheikh.
It's disgusting that such a question is deemed legitimate. What will the response be to the question 'how many husbands will you permit for a muslim woman where the she's rich and finds a bunch of guys who need support?
There are many such cases in documentation - this original poster might be lying, but that doesn't mean that these things do not happen.
If I remember correctly there is/was an Islamic militant or leader that had more than 4 wives, and he justified it because the Prophet was a leader and so he had more than 4 as well. Was it Osama Bin Laden - If I remember correctly, he was about to marry like either #6 or #8 right before 9-11.
I'm not sure about that, but I do remember something about some old geezer being on his 6th or 8th, and he was some Arab Sheikh.
it is tradition of arabs to have more then 15 or 20 wifes , till now many Arab have many wifes (and we have seen that arab women also don't care about this unlike our women )
its islam who force them to have one wife and with strict condition say that 4 are allowed by you will have to do adal which is almost not possible
It's disgusting that such a question is deemed legitimate. What will the response be to the question 'how many husbands will you permit for a muslim woman where the she's rich and finds a bunch of guys who need support?
A lot of people, including some Muslims, question the logic of allowing Muslim men to have more than one spouse while denying the same ‘right’ to women.
Let me first state emphatically, that the foundation of an Islamic society is justice and equity. Allah has created men and women as equal, but with different capabilities and different responsibilities. Men and women are different, physiologically and psychologically. Their roles and responsibilities are different. Men and women are equal in Islam, but not identical.
Surah Nisa’ Chapter 4 verses 22 to 24 gives the list of women with who you can not marry and it is further mentions in Surah Nisa’ Chapter 4 verse 24 "Also (prohibited are) women already married"
The following points enumerate the reasons why polyandry is prohibited in Islam:
If a man has more than one wife, the parents of the children born of such marriages can easily be identified. The father as well as the mother can easily be identified. In case of a woman marrying more than one husband, only the mother of the children born of such marriages will be identified and not the father. Islam gives tremendous importance to the identification of both parents, mother and father. Psychologists tell us that children who do not know their parents, especially their father undergo severe mental trauma and disturbances. Often they have an unhappy childhood. It is for this reason that the children of prostitutes do not have a healthy childhood. If a child born of such wedlock is admitted in school, and when the mother is asked the name of the father, she would have to give two or more names! I am aware that recent advances in science have made it possible for both the mother and father to be identified with the help of genetic testing. Thus this point which was applicable for the past may not be applicable for the present.
Man is more polygamous by nature as compared to a woman.
Biologically, it is easier for a man to perform his duties as a husband despite having several wives. A woman, in a similar position, having several husbands, will not find it possible to perform her duties as a wife. A woman undergoes several psychological and behavioral changes due to different phases of the menstrual cycle.
A woman who has more than one husband will have several sexual partners at the same time and has a high chance of acquiring venereal or sexually transmitted diseases which can also be transmitted back to her husband even if all of them have no extra-marital sex. This is not the case in a man having more than one wife, and none of them having extra-marital sex.
The above reasons are those that one can easily identify. There are probably many more reasons why Allah, in His Infinite Wisdom, has prohibited polyandry.
meherealone! that is such bollocks! each of your 4 points above are invalid:
heard of DNA testing?
by what nature? any reasoning or your mullah told you so?
whether a woman has one mate or several, the mestrual cycle remains the same. what's your point?
is plain wrong. STDs are transmitted just as easily men to women
the disgust and the question still stand
:D
i was waiting for this intelligent reply from a intelligent person who don't bother to read the whole post
have you read the bold line
according to quran , one can't marry women who is already married
let me try again
sura nisa chapter 4 verse number 24
004.024
YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
this is the most basic reason why women in islam can't marry more then one husband
now come to logic
DNA test , ok acepted your point
your life will become something unexplainable , that each time a child is born
DNA test going on and on and waiting for check to whom this baby is
life will be much easier if wife had married to only one husband
there is never need of DNA test if man is married to many wifes but you always have to go through DNA tests if women will be married to many
and you also know DNA tests result are not 100% as well
for the time being not getting the write word to explain you clearly , so sorry for this time
during periods , women can't perform the duties of a wife .
go and ask your doctor , he will tells you completely
^ I don't think he was disagreeing that a woman can't have multiple partners. I think he was disagreeing over your reasoning, which leads you to conclude men CAN have more than one wife.
The conclusions everyone agrees upon, because they're clearly stated in the Quran. The reasons, however, you came up with, are not written in the Quran. They are apologetic arguments for a practice that is now looked VERY down upon in the world, except for some Arab countries.
In fact, the Quran does give a reason, and that is so that a man can take this path if he feels he will be unfair to the "orphans". This is a clear statement that should not lead anyone into thinking that one can get up and marry any girl they find hot enough to marry once they're tired of their present wife. Furthermore, the Quran also bans you from acting upon your lust, and asks you to base your decision on who to marry upon the woman's character. Hadith's support this as well.
The whole theory that men have a more intense sexual appetite than women is interesting. I find women have a very intense appetite for sex, although its exhibited in a different way, because women aren't raised being allowed to express these thoughts as men do. Secondly, I know quite a few men who get VERY turned off by this argument, because it paints them to be jaahil animals, while women are more rational.
:D
i was waiting for this intelligent reply from a intelligent person who don't bother to read the whole post
have you read the bold line
according to quran , one can't marry women who is already married
let me try again
sura nisa chapter 4 verse number 24
004.024
YUSUFALI: Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
this is the most basic reason why women in islam can't marry more then one husband
now come to logic
DNA test , ok acepted your point
your life will become something unexplainable , that each time a child is born
DNA test going on and on and waiting for check to whom this baby is
life will be much easier if wife had married to only one husband
there is never need of DNA test if man is married to many wifes but you always have to go through DNA tests if women will be married to many
and you also know DNA tests result are not 100% as well
for the time being not getting the write word to explain you clearly , so sorry for this time
during periods , women can't perform the duties of a wife .
go and ask your doctor , he will tells you completely
The safest course of action for you is to say that BQSS, everything else you are trying to say is same as digging a hole for yourself. All your points are easily refutable so I am not even going to try. It's very simple just hide behind BQSS.
PS:Alt+C and Alt+V are not a good idea if you don't read and understand it first.