we all know that shias have made a tactical move to side with usa this moment just to get to power being majority which they rightly deserve but
my observations are that soon the shias will start to enjoy the fruits of power and they will build an iranian type of govt and thier fallout with usa is envitable
because usa had not invaded iraq for a islamic state?
mark my words now the usa are fighting the sunnis its only a matter of time before they will actually support the sunni insurgency against a shia led govt?
and iam saying this being a sunni
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kabir, any Iraqi government that takes power which tries to oppress or limit the rights of Sunnis will find themselves at odds with the U.S., as will the Sunnis who reject a fair and elected government.
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I dont think the shias are looking to bring an Islamic gov. like Iran, or even planning to supress the sunnis. They've already said as much. However, we'll prolly will see a fallout when the americans are asked to leave, we already know they want to stay for a while longer. Still, you can never tell with the americans, I mean saddam was their best buddy once, look where he is now. you can only take this honeymoon at face value and nothing more. As seen in the past, it'll be here today and gone tomorrow. Thankfully though, the shias are familiar with thier 'use and abuse' nature already and hopefully will be smart enough to use it to their advantage.
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as the iraqis start beong pals with irani ayotolla idiots more, they will become an issue for not just US but for the region. That menace will be a real thorn in the side for anyone with anything to do with the entire region.
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like what?
the iraqis are already 'pals' with iranians, that doesnt mean they want an an iranian style gov.
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the iraqis were not pals with the iranis..period. the govts were at serious odds if you had not noticed. Now with religious right getting in power, and then having closer ties with Iran on a govt level it is bound to present problems. Iranian govt simply can not be trusted, getting a toadie like Iraq will only make them bolder. The point is not about having iranian style govt, but playing into Iran's hands due to the role of religious groups in govt.
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well obviously i werent talking about the previous gov, but this (potential) gov most likely already had relatively good ties before it even came into politics, and i’m hoping they become even stronger as time goes on :k: A united Iran & Iraq, thats gonna be so cool. I canae wait.
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shias are majority in iraq but minority in arab world so it is tough situation
when united states leaves iraq both will fight.
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this wasn't a shia sunni thing to start with, however it has taken on that unfortunate turn, which if we dig deeper was nontheless inevitable. I don't think that there are any chances of Iran like theocracy popping up in Iraq or a mass movement to transform Iraq's otherwise secular character. THere would be ties and familial and religious linkages once a strong shia dominated government resumes power but things would only go awry if and when,
--there is a clear tilt towards Iran and clear Iranian influence
--if they fail to satisfy the sunnis
--and when the shia (extremists) start attacking the sunnis (extremists)in kind. ( so far the shias have shown a remarkable resilience and have not indulged in the blame game despite being targeted during the course of these months.
USA is the occupying power, its not targetting the Sunnis deliberaltely. It will kill people (insurgents, rebels ) with impunity regardless of their allegiances. So, the shia/sunni thing does not factor in while fighting for the 'liberation of Iraq.'
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Things aren't simple. Apparently, there is a lot more oil under 'Shia areas' than under 'Sunni areas'. One can never tell.
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we'll have to wait and see if the Shia even ask the US to leave.. remmeber.. Sistani has always intervened when things went south for the occupation forces..
it appears the Sunni's are more loyal to Iraq than the Shias at this time.. The only condition Sunni leaders laid down for participation in forging a constitution is a timetable for the departure of occupying forces.. we've heard nothing yet from the possible ruling party or their Shiite leaders.. no demands for departure, not even a condemnation of mass atrocities in Sunni cities..
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^ Well maybe you should stay more updated, rather than making up ridiculous theories. :halo:
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Jeeez,
Face facts. The Sunnis represented 20% of Iraq, and ruled the other 80% with an iron fist. without the US, there would be a monsterous civil war, ethnic cleansing and ethnic fighting. The Kurds are well funded and organiized. The Shia have large militias. The Sunnis are lucky we are there, as there would be some serious pay back for 35 years of oppression. Iraq is waking up to the fact that the Sunnis are killing more Iraqis daily than the US ever did. The Kurds and the Shia badly wanted to vote. Who supported that, and who killed them when they tried to do it? People are not stupid...
The world needs a good political example of an "Islamic Democracy" maybe the Shia will be smart enough to do it... The Sunnis gav us Baathism and Saddam, the Shia can't do much worse....
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you’d like to believe in this civil war theory wont you. lets you park your butt there inspite of potential demands from an elected government. but heres the thing. why hasnt it happened already? why, inspite of presumed sunni bombings on shia places of worship havent the remaining 80 percent tried to gain some measure of retribution yet? dont tell me its the great security america provides. the sunnis seem to slip easily through the craters.