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^ thats what I said jafro 
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^thanks for the clarification
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Oh LOL
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Whats with the tattoos-are-haraam fatway floating around here? Does anyone have any proper references or is it one of those things that our maulvis complicate to keep their religious dukan-daari running.
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Someone told me they would slap me if I did, so never thought about it again. I was kidding about the tattoo thing btw lol! My mum would kill me if she finds out.
I don't like the concept of tattooing someone's name on to your body. For me that symbolises that person's control and ownership over you, it's like you are bng yourself, like herd owners used to do to their cattle back in the days. Even if I am with someone, I am still my own individual and not someone's slave. I don't see anything romantic in b*ng yourself. *
Oh and for reasons other than religion, I think these days especially, you are never sure if you are going to be with that person all those years later. Divorces are on a long time high. What if you get divorced? Your husband or wife dies? You get married again? I am not sure it would be a great thing for the new partner/husband wife to see on your body, the name of your ex/deceased husband or wife.
Tattoo removal is very costly as well. Cheryl Cole had branded herself as Mrs. Cole and look what happened. She got divorced and went through an expensive and long (1 year) tattoo laser removal procedure. It's just better to not do it. Why subject your skin to such torture and let us not forget the risks of skin cancer.
The nose rings that desi brides wear on their wedding day could equally signify 'ownership' and be likened to b*****ng a piece of cattle but most of us don't have a problem with that as we think of it as 'culture.' That's the problem imo.. One difference with tattoos is that at least girls or guys can get them done if/when they feel they want to, it's not (usually) some sort of cultural or family obligation like wearing a huge hoop on ur wedding day is for some girls..
Having had a tattoo I can say honestly it's less painful than getting ur legs waxed or ur ears or nose pierced where obviously a needle is penetrating a lot more deeply (but of course everyone's level of tolerance is different).. If a girl has it done whilst she's on her period obviously then it's going to hurt a lot more, or on a more sensitive part of her body. I think most of the horror stories about the pain have come about cos people haven't prepared properly.. To me it felt more like 'scratching' rather than hurting and pain-wise I've always been a real wimp.. If a person can't handle pain at all there's always a topical anaesthetic cream like Emla and if they ever decide they want to get rid of the tattoo apart from expensive laser treatments they can always use a 100% TCA peel - very cheap and effective..
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Btw why is the word 'b-r-a-n-d-i-n-g' censored on here? Not swearing, is it?
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It is not forbidden christall clear, but when the Holy Prophet (saw) has cursed someone who has a tattoo and esepcially curses those who are in this business why argue then? You want the curse of the Prophet (saw)? Have it, it's your choice...
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Yeah, it was mentioned so I don't think it's one of those grey areas.. The desi attitude towards it tho in comparison to haram things that are common and accepted in our culture is a bit annoying tho..
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You can't get one because of religious reasons, not cultural reasons. Some people in Pakistan do get tattoos because of cultural reasons, such as some Pathan who get their names tattooed on their forearms.
There is a hadeeth where the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) curses the person who gets a tattoo and also the ones who are into the business of tattooing. Also he said that people with tattoos will never make it into heaven.
Now it's up to you to decide how much this Hadeeth means to you.
We really need to stop making assumptions on such Hadeeths and learn to make our statements concrete. With the solid proof and the Quote end Quote statements. :)
It is true that people back then used to get tattoos on their arms, chests, heads and so on but that was not disallowed. There must be a limit. Those people used to get tattoos of the things they used to worship. Today it isnt the case. Most people would get a tattoo to hide their scars and stuff like that.
Enough of these for told hadeethses and guiding others upon whatever comes in to our mind.
Reside Kalmah and link the proper hadeeth you got this from.
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That's ur opinion.. A lot of ppl would say no more childish than thinking of marriage as just a halal way of getting laid ;)
haha yeah
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hmm, i did read the hadith someone mentioned, it mentions the prophet cursing the women who get tattoos and their eyebrows plucked and another one in which God curses them as well. but i dunno......., getting cursed by the prophet for getting your eyebrows pucked or getting tattos sounds a bit ... well unlike the prophet . i dont think the prophet was that kind of person who would curse his own enemies let alone believers. nor do i think after reading these hadith that God would fry me in hell for getting a teeny tiny bit of colour on my skin , he may however give me a few demerit points for being stupid enough to do it: ) but thats ok, i shall make up for it some other way ; )
reading the comments here though, i feel a little relaxed about how most people feel about tattoos, i guess its not as big of a deal as i thought it was.
thank you for your replies!
I would just like to add..people keep referring it to as a desi idea(of haram and negativity) and western concept.(which was orginally abhorred in britain)..without realising that tattoo-ing started from the asian sub continent...it's taboo started with the british...the then hells angels made it thr signature look..and the adding of names started with the sailors ..chinese art started from tattoos and most pathan girls get tattoos done ...albeit 3 small dots on thr chin or forehead....
the negative aspect came when children felt a need to express themselves,and parents said no to everything....1st tattoos wr hidden ..a small butterfly a tiny rose etc
..now its a huge market the more tattoos the better..it's all commercialised now..the meaning of many art forms..good or bad have dwindled to the $$
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^I should have phrased my comments better, I meant it's seen by most desis as a Western concept and so judged more harshly by them.. I know there are some Muslim tribes who do tattoo their girls but obviously on the whole it's seen as something 'alien' to most Pakistanis and amongst some people almost as a sign of rebellion against their traditional cultural norms.. (I think desis, more than most others, tend to have an aversion to anything new or 'foreign' to them hence the need by a lot of Pakistani women living abroad to still dress the way they would do 'back home', not marry outsiders etc. whilst other Muslims aren't quite so hesitant)
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So, no references from Quran here? Just the usual desi favourite pocket-sized fatway eh.
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^What about hadeeth? Would a hadeeth make you happy?
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Just to enhance my knowledge really.....isn't waxing also painful? or plucking eyebrows...or for that matter wearing high heels?
plucking your eyebrows is HARAM...and high heels are debated in Islam...waxing is for personal hygiene and is recommended :)
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yaar simple solution...get a fake tattoo
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I would love to know the religious view point too....
Islamically .. totally haraam .. dont know about other religions :p
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http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?18235-Tattoos-What-s-the-evidence
read the last post. hope it makes some sense.