How easy is it for girls to move abroad and live a European life?

With such a large Pakistani diaspora, we have lots of boys marrying girls from Pakistan.

What worries me is how hard it is for the girl to (i) leave her family and (ii) change countries. Even if a girl marries a family in Pakistan, moving to a new home is a large change that requires a lot of adjustment, but if on top of it, you have to move to a new country, possibly learn a new language, and not have much of a social circle, surely it’s extremely hard to handle.

In addition, life in Europe is quite different. Girls in many homes in Pakistan are used to not working at home, while in Europe, everything at home must be done by the husband and wife together. This too can be a major lifestyle change.

What do you think? How easy is this to manage and if it too much for some to reject such proposals?

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...all i know is that, they don't serve fried chicken and watermelon on a daily basis. Grrrr!!!

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In the current situation anyone from Pakistan will be happy to move to another country, be it a married woman, awara nikama larka, CEO, Politician, Cricketer, pan wala, Army guy (when retd.), eshtudent, meera or veena malik!

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I think if u had the domestic help front covered u would move in a heartbeat. :)

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*How easy is it for girls to move abroad and live a European life?
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Easier than it is for desi guys.

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Well..the first part of your question - not easy but still adventurous and fun. I did that right after my wedding...moved to Germany from North America. Sure it's tough, but it's also a great experience.

As for the 2nd part - since I moved from North America, I didn't feel as much of a difference say someone moving from Pakistan would feel. But a few of my cousins who lived all their lives in Pakistan now live in North America with their husbands and are doing just fine in terms of lifestyle adjustments. Both scenarios require an open mind and the desire to broaden your horizon and step out of your comfort zone. If someone isn't keen on stepping out of their comfort zone, then yes it's tough

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Thanks for sharing that, flawedsoul. It's quite helpful. Obviously it does depend on people's outlook, however, I've seen Germans feel culture shock in France, and French feel culture shock in the UK, hence the fear - sometimes it can tend to get out of our control.

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these girls if moved abroad or not and doesn't want to work can cause trouble anywhere they get married. And these girls may be belong to some certain type of families which are not many in numbers. Not I've seen

How easy is it for girls to move abroad and live a European life?

I imagine its a difficult adjustment from what I have seen. People need to not only have an open mind but also those bringing them over need to have open hearts and support their spouses well emotionally and need stability. I moved between the US and Canada and although there wasn't necessarily a culture shock things still work much differently in both countries like lifestyle, people and surroundings are completely different than what I have been used too and it took some adjustment. It's hard to make friends sometimes when nobody knows you, especially in our Pakistani communities as people tend to stay in cliques but it all takes sometime. Keeping in mind, my husband was very supportive the entire way. Marriage in general is hard and throwing in a bunch of realistic factors like work and inlaws, it gets harder but if my husband also hadn't been patient or understanding and helpful in my adjustment, it would have been more difficult than it already was.

Working/not working isn't an issue in our house, it was more just about learning and understanding why things are so different for me. There were so many things I learned about what I used to have and no longer do as well as what I had/saw now that I had never have before, it opened my eyes to the realization of how different things are from place to place and that's a good thing because its a big world. Anyway, it wasn't easy for me and I was so excited to move and everything but I never realized that it would be such an adjustment. I think moving for school or work are much different than moving for marriage because marriage itself brings a lot lifestyle changes that need time to settle on top of everything else. Culture, language that must be even harder. You definitely need a good support system around to make it easier especially when you have no family around of your own, that was the hardest part for me. Coming from a huge tight knit family of my own into my husbands who basically has none. Like two cousins, just a few elders and all of whom don't even communicate with each other while living in the same city. They are not close knit so that has been the hardest part for sure, not having anyone around and even realizing that some families operate this way too! Just my experience...

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*"What is it like to move to England from the United States?*It is hard. Just because people speak English, do not be deceived. It is an utterly alien place from America culturally, and I found (and still find) the adjustments frustrating and I sometimes still get furious from the difficulties.
One of the biggest realities is the drop in the material standard of living. British wages are not as high as in the US and things are more expensive. Obviously, this impacts on lifestyle.
Houses are very expensive and you will live in a house half the size you’d expect in the US, often attached to your neighbour and with a one car garage (if you are lucky). There are no basements, so you feel cramped and everything is cluttered – I’ve never seen a walk-in closet to date. You will cram everything into a ‘wardrobe’ the size of your coat closet.
My friends living like this are Oxford and Cambridge grads in IT in London, teachers, engineers, journalists – all university grads. There are, of course, higher levels up from this but it is generally those connected to the City, oil executives or high flyers. Doctors will live higher up the scale, but not to American standards. Pharmacists have low 5 figure salaries, even though they hold chemistry degrees - a huge disparity, same with nursing.
You will eat sandwiches in your office, not go out for lunch as is done daily in the US. You will not have a garbage disposal, and will be expected to hang your laundry out to dry (fighting the rain the whole time – having to check weather reports, can you believe?). Household work is more time consuming as the conveniences built into newer housing just aren’t there.
But there are pubs! Pubs are an Englishman’s refuge and the place where you meet up with mates for a quick pint - guys and gals — as a routine part of ‘friend maintenance.’
Our groceries are ordered on the internet and delivered to our front door – as is typical for all supermarkets. We live on the ‘High Street’ in our village – bakeries, cafes, barber, grocery store and bus stop are located there, and three pubs of course. The train station to London is an 8 minute walk.
My daughter is 14 and has 11 subject areas: Latin, Greek, French, Chemistry, Biology, Physics, Advanced Maths, History, English, English Lit and Music (theory, performance and composition). She anticipates fluency in French at 17. The education system is exam based, there is no GPA. She wants to study medicine and as med school begins freshman year, she has already begun pre-med coaching sessions at school.
Brits get a lot more time off – 5 weeks as a rule – and travel is a priority. The cultural aspects of the country are fascinating - tiny it may seem, but it takes a lifetime to know this place, and with Europe so close it is expanded even further.
A massive advantage of living here is the National Health Service. If an American could understand it, they would be amazed by its magnificence.
In this past week I have seen an ENT consultant surgeon and have had surgery scheduled in a few weeks’ time. There was no direct cost to me.
Tonight my GP (family doctor) rang at 8pm to check in on another health issue. She is chasing a consultant to authorise a new medication and will ring me back next week. This did not cost me a penny.
So, three doctors and one medical procedure without a form to fill in or a bill to pay. Pretty damn impressive stuff --yes, I know it is in our taxes but the system works well. It is ‘from birth to grave’ care all woven together into one service – ambulance to GP to hospital to nursing care. There are all kinds of synergies created by such a system. It is to be deeply respected, emulated, and not feared.
Another advantage is the lack of gridlock in politics – we are being spared the current ugliness in the US, and the safety nets of good employment law, disability rights and maternity/paternity leave are reassuring.
The infrastructure of the country is in a much better state…there are no derelict buildings or crumbling roads. There is greater acceptance and less stigma in being a racial minority (although still far from easy). Gay marriage has been in place a long time and is a non-issue.
And best of all (to me): the deeply inbuilt intellectualism – world class museums, theatres, concerts, bookshops, lectures everywhere.
People jump to conclusions about Brits being unfriendly but this is simply an American reaction to the British cultural norm of avoiding relationships that are superficial. Once you are a friend, it is sincere and has a depth and permanence that outlasts many of those I had in the U.S.
I do miss the affiliation to college sports, as my friends all gather for all the big football games at our university and have a great party – there is no such culture here. There are the big football games – but it’s professional sport just like the NFL. The World Cup rivals the Super Bowl, however.
I would give my right arm for an American washer and dryer, and you won’t understand this unless you’ve seen the laundry situation here. As I type this, our laundry is hanging in the family room, damp, and when dry must be ironed. All Brits iron, or hire someone to do it. This is a personal ‘I hate Britain’ rage issue for me. No place is perfect, I know. But having to hang clothes out to dry in February?
In spite of this, Britain is a place that you can come to love as your own. The countryside is stunningly beautiful and I am grateful for the hours I spend driving in it. Bunnies hop, pheasant fly and fox dash around me every day. Yet London remains close at hand.
The Brits have extremely strict zoning restrictions and there are no ‘strip malls’ – not anywhere. So you drive for an hour straight and won’t see a petrol (gas) station or any commercial building sticking out like a sore thumb.
There is a deep love and care for the countryside that makes it compelling, and you can never tire of it. It is the work of a thousand years – a landscape built by man, layer by layer. A masterpiece.
When you watch Downton Abbey, you are seeing the actual house and landscape of an aristocratic family in Hampshire - one hour from where I live. Just look at the size of those cedar trees outside the front of the house. All the rooms and lands you are seeing are real without alteration (except for the downstairs servant quarters).
I live minutes from Petworth House - a house of equal magnificence, built in Palladian style with a 1000 acre deer park. It is breathtaking to behold, landscaped by ‘Capability’ Brown. The inside is just as amazing, filled with paintings by Turner, Van Dyke and endless architectural treasures. These houses span across the countryside.

There is so much the British have to be proud of - and the subject of ‘the’ War has an awesomeness all of its own. Brits are stubborn and won’t be beaten – the Nazis discovered that one! Ugly cement blocks plonked around my street are leftovers of a planned blockade against Panzer tanks – the sheer balls of a small village readied to resist such a massively dangerous foe is, to me, stunning. The military has a proud heritage and is so highly regarded that the Royals feel a deep attachment to it – including Princes William and Harry.
The weather… it does drizzle here a lot but it doesn’t get very cold. People get on with cycling, hiking, and pretty much everything but it can mess up summer weddings. It certainly is not a Californian sun zone . .people go to Spain.

I have found the financial drop in living a lot harder than I thought it would be. The differences between me and my American friends in terms of material possessions is large. They are better off in all financial areas of their life – except property prices*. However, a lot of the feeling about financial difference is lost over time – we now tend to reference our lives with our British peers.

When we go back home there is a massive shock and whoops of laughter at the bigness of everything. Yes, I do envy those closets and everything being on sale. Yet it also brings awareness of the wastefulness of American culture – those gallon size soft drink containers and 100 other excesses are fun for a few weeks’ holiday, but then we’ve had enough. Being in England teaches carefulness with resources (gas $8/gallon), and I am happy my children live within these constraints.

To make a move here you should be fully prepared for how expensive it is, the lower wages, and the resulting drop in your (material) standard of living. If this is not of concern to you, and you want all the gains outlined above, then living here is quite good.

Britain has afforded me a window into a world beyond my wildest Midwest imagination. For this I am grateful. I don’t know if I could happily re-integrate into America now. Perhaps on the coasts. Saying that, I hold America dear and defend it daily. It was once explained to me by another ex-pat that I am ‘Mid-Atlantic’ – caught in the middle of the ocean, unable to decide which direction is home.

*if you work in the City, you will find things comparable to Wall Street. It is a separate world - entirely - from how normal Brits live.

Re: How easy is it for girls to move abroad and live a European life?

Ask your parents...your mom.

She'd be the one to answer that for you truthfully.

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very easy...most girls sit by her packed suitcases and ready to fly to foreign 'dreamland' on a moment's notice! this is the chance they have been waiting for...Voila, she is on the next flight out...be at the airport on time!

she is loving it because it's like her lifelong dream come true! :)

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It is not hard for majority of Kashmiri / Pakistanis i have come across, or know and have heard of. They thrive on the chance to come abroad and doing so via marriage seems to be the most popular route. I know of cases where people have paid illegal travel agents an x number of rupees to forge documents so they can come abroad. A lot of Kashmiri / Pakistani men who get married and move to England are then put under a lot of financial pressure from their families who expect money to be sent to them regularly resulting in problems between couples. I am a debit card, cash me! On this regular money transfers to family topic, one 50 something man i know actually said in punjabi: bacheyaan k kis vasti uffaraan karee nain (his son is married to a british woman and she brought him across). Another person i know actually said: even if i have to wash dishes, i will move to England! Bottom line is a lot of Pakistanis don't want to live in their own country as they will find comforts abroad which they can only dream off in Pakistan.

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It's not impossible, just have to be prepared. My best friend married a girl from Pakistan he met at a wedding. He spent a lot of time before she arrived helping her prepare:

  • deciding on where to live together (used skype and Facetime to show her condos) and even picked furniture together so she had some familiarity before she arrived on day 1
  • helping her prepare for things to do when she got here: planned dinners, nights out and got her excited about the move
  • helping her figure out what she was going to do once the euphoria from the wedding (family dinners, etc) were over: looking at schools, courses, potential jobs to apply to (they had decided to wait 2 years before they had children)
  • helped her make friends with his existing group of friends. He made sure all of his friends got to know her before she arrived so that she didn't feel isolated when she got here. By the time she arrived, I think she was more excited to go shopping with a few of us than seeing him, lol

I think the key is to make sure the woman knows that she will have a loving support network when she arrives. It is still a tough adjustment, but planning and communicating softens the experience.