How Do You....

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convince a young Pakistani woman of little education that enemies are not doing “kala jadoo” on her and her husband to break them up?

I have tried reasoning with her.
I have tried to be harsh and tell her that by believing in a power equal to or greater than the Almighty is shirk.

I have given her reasonable and logical explanations for all those things that she cannot explain.
I have outlined her own shortcomings in her relationship to make her understand that she, herself must take responsibility for the problems she is facing.
I have spoken to her husband and shown him how he must change his ways to address her insecurities.

And finally, I continue to do dua for her.

But how do you get through to someone that lives with this kind of paranoia?
How do you stop them from throwing money down the drain paying for voodoo doctors, et al?

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I also know people who blame every misfortune in their lives on other people first, then finally on jadoo. While jadoo and nazar are acceptable facts in Islam, there are simple dua'as to get rid of them as well. The best way to deal with such people is to have them talk to a Mufti or Aalim and ask for their recommendation. I did that with someone once and the Mufti gave her a dua to read after every namaz. Eventually, she got distracted by the jadoo and started focusing on the dua part!

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Wow she is actually paying for voodoo? hehe didn't know you can do that?
Honestly it is difficult to change the mindset of people like that. You can however provide her with guidance using Quran, and particular hadith/surahs talking about what you mentioned above. And even then, they both need to realize their shortcoming and work on it. Would they be open to marital counseling?

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You or her husband should take her to a psychiatrist or psychologist ? That helps too , I have personal experience with one such situation which improved after a psychiatrist prescribed medicine. Such kind of paranoia is a treatable condition. I am serious not kidding.

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Thanks for the replies.

I understand that there are meds available for this type of condition.....the problem is that these meds are usually the same that are used to treat depression and came with many side-effects. These meds are not cures. They treat symptoms.

I believe that ultimately stronger faith is the only cure. But I also believe that it takes a reasoning and open mind to achieve stronger faith.

I have shown this woman examples from hadiths etc.

I don't think that having her speak with a mufti or aalim will prove beneficial because everything that goes wrong she is equating with this jadoo and it is so ingrained in her mind that she doesn't accept any other explanation.

I wonder how a psychiatrist would deal with such a patient?
Anyone know?

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If she is so consumed by jadoo, then maybe taking her to a psychiatrist may be the best option. I don't know how they would deal with it though!

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Yes there is no cure , just the treatment. Modern psychiatric medications are safer than some older ones.
The psychiatrist will be the best judge to know what kind of treatment she needs.

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You tell her that for everytime she seeks help from a "person", she is committing shirk. She will not be forgiven for seeking help from anyone other than Allah (swt).

Palm readers, astrologists, and others maybe a good passtime but they bring no cure to anyone, nor a prediction. It is Allah that guides, protects, and heals all.
She needs to have steadfast faith, and recite some duaas. Magic does exist, no doubt about it. And i think there are certain Duas/Surahs that can be recited to relieve oneself of such wicked acts.

May Allah (swt) guide her, and reward you for your concern for her. Ameen.

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Keep her in your house if it is possible so she has other things in her life to worry about for a while. Same for the husband. A change of environment changes a lot of things.

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It looks like you've done alot and you can't change her mindset at all.

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Therapy.

She's in denial. Only she can get over it.

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http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/113.qmt.html
have her recite this surah each day … which seeks Allah’s help from those practicisng witchcraft

even if she is in denial no therapy is likely to benefit her at this point as it is a natural response of grief resolution …wait till her acceptance stage

medically speaking there is a paranoid delusion disorder Delusional disorder - Wikipedia
which can be treated

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and what if it is black magic? judging by the replies,everyone seems convinced that it isnt

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You could also introduce her to Das Reich. He's in the market. At the moment, we're trying to get him out of the flesh market, but he is in some market and that's what really counts.

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Wow, Arn't we off trak a little bit.

Instead of be harsh and saying no to what she has a faith on, would it not be possible to deal it differntly ???

She is right to beleive in black majic, as Quran confirms that the people do use majic for Husband and wife to break them up....So whats wrong with it.
To cure her that was what Sufi's and Allah walay were doing is to make people beleive stonger in Allah by giving them something to recite. This is the cure for 80% who just think that someone used black majic.

It has nothing to do with Pakistani women of little education, I think you have to look arround how many highly educated people you have who beleive in those thing and are looking for someone to help.

Mirch: I disagree with you if the Modern psychiatric medications could have helped then the whole west would not be like this.

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let her face her fear!

zayda say zayda kia hosakta hai?

ps. you are praying for her. this is the best anyone can do for someone special.

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Get her a taaviz. I'm serious. You can't reason with irrational fear so why not give her something she can believe in? A taaviz consisting of a few quranic ayahs (e.g verses of Yasin) will be, at this stage, far more useful and effective (being the Word of God) than any counselling anyone can administer.

Ideally though she should get in the habit of reading duas and Yasin, as someone mentioned.

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As for reasoning and changing the mindset, thats a lifetime's worth of struggle, even for those who are more than a little educated.

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Many valuable replies here. Thank you one and all.

I’ll be brief as this problem is consuming much more time than I have to contribute.

Teggy
I have already tried to “frighten” her into remission, so to speak. Told her that she is committing shirk the minute she believes that any power, other than Allah, is controlling her life.

Black magic does in fact, exist. We would be disbelievers to say otherwise. However, as soon as we accept that the magic can overpower Allah’s will, we are lost. So…if someone HAS done something and she is feeling negative affects in her life, this is happening because Allah is ALLOWING it to happen.

The question then arises, WHY is Allah letting this happen? I have tried to direct her attention to this focus instead so that she may work on her iman/faith.

No luck.

USResident
We have separated the two for a duration. Forced them both to consider what life could be like without each other.
Asked them to ponder whether or not their lives improved…put them through various exercises, etc, etc.

She rushed back as soon as she could and within 2 days started the same moaning…

Reciting Surahs
Have given her many surahs that have been recommended.
Advised her to read namaz punctually and read translations of the surahs so that she may understand the word of Allah.

No progress. She is steadfast in her belief that someone has done something.

Mirch
Modern medications…yeah…right. Took her to the doctor who promptly diagnosed her as depressed and put her on meds that make her walk around like a good-for-nothing zombie.

She has no sense of purpose and appears drugged. She complains of other side effects and doesn’t want to take the meds.

Batting = Zero.

Taveez
Tried that. Took her to a “maulana” that gave her some taveez to put around her home.
Wrote some duas for her that she was supposed to soak in water and drink that water.

Didn’t accomplish a thing.
Apparently the jadoo is uber strong.

:rolleyes: