How do you qualify a scholar?

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This is exactly what I want to know, at what point do they start considering themselves as theologians or scholars. Who makes this decisions for them or if it is sefl-proclaimed then who accepts it. The problem that arises is that people tend to follow people who are claimed as theologians or religious authorities. Same issue plagues even the Islamic world. There is not real measureable credibility of a scholar.

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Since the interpretation of religion is so subjective, how can one measure their credibility? Even if you go by consensus, it could be that the prevailing consenus/interpretation isn't 'correct', which I believe to be the case in organized religion as practiced today.

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Semi, at least we can establish a measure in terms of the knowledge they possess. Being a muslim I can say for instance, a scholar must have these minimum qualifications:

1 - Command of Arabic language
2 - Hafiz Quran
3 - At least know 75% of the Sahih ahadith collections
4 - At least know the widely accepted history.
5 - Can't think of more at this moment.

For me I cannot accept a scholar or theologian as an all-rounder for every matter of religion, the life style of today has become so vast, complex and indulging one scholar cannot issue edicts related to everything. Its almost necessary to specialize in certain areas of figh from my POV. For instance, a scholar may specialize in Zakat affairs, one in marital affairs, one in Hajj affairs, one in Prayer etc.

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Language and memory skills really don't account for much in my book. I have known many-a-preacher who could recite verse and chapter in his sleep, but whose advice or counsel I wouldn't take with your nickel. Memorizing words can have little to do with comprehension or spirituality.

I agree that when a religion is so complex - mixing in civic, cultural norms, rules, laws, history and governmental affairs - it would be impossible for one scholar to be an expert in all.

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Normally they are attached to theological institutions like seminary's, universities, etc. producing papers and lectures. The bigger noise they make, or the larger following among other theologians, the more they get to be considered as important theologians.

Problem is that most of Christian theology has been so much investigated and lectured on, that very little is left for new ideas, and then the present theologians tend to go overboard for recognition by negating Jesus' virgin birth, etc.

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True. That's why I think Jesus taught that no-one should vie for honour and religious prestige. It is much better to be recognised as a pious wo/man than a great scholar. The fruit of your faith should be in the way you live your life and follow God's expectations and is not about what you knows.

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Very true statement.

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Well said.

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I suppose if you went to a Darul-Uloom, studied for 5-6 years... Waala! Scholar!!!

I have a big problem with this though, because (In South Africa) I met this guy who was becoming an Aalim and he said, "it's not that hard, you just need to study reaaly hard at the end of the year to pass" and I was schocked.

It's about knowledge, not just passing 6 years...

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USResident, instead of trying to state what qualifications a "scholar" should have, it might be better to state what is expected of a "scholar" to be and do.

I don't think Christianity requires a "scholar" to perform the same function as what is expected in Islam from them. The only one to perform approximately the same role might be the Pope for the Roman Catholic Church. For all the rest, a scholar is one well studied in certain of the Christianity disciplines, teach others at a university, and not necessary correct in his teachings (fallible).

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Sure, I think what is expected of a scholar is to guide people according to proper religious beliefs, saying this broadly. I know this is a very debatible sentence though i.e. proper religious beliefs.

Here underlies a problem, the outcome of religious manipulation by scholars can have very catalystic effects on people therefore someone needs to keep them in check. Truly pious people as I have seen it usually set the stage through example than rather motivating the masses for some kind of uprising. Unfortunately very few are to be found. However scholarly or interfaith debates are not subject to this sentence of mine.

What I hate to see these days is that becoming a scholar has de-generated into the easiest wat to get a slice of the political pie and with means that have very little credibility.

To answer your question honestly I have no convergent view of what is expected of a scholar in Islam nowadays. This might have been what caused me to open this thread. And as you can see there is not much participation in this thread, which is indicative that no one else knows either yet we cling to them as a matter of life and death.

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Peace USResident

It is true that the kunya of sheikh is given by the teacher under the methodology of ijaza. I understand your question however, which I guess is less who is or is not a scholar rather what level of scholar are they, etc?

If that is true then we should consider the following:

Sheikh is the closest Arabic word to the English word scholar. There are grades of scholars that we know about:

Mufti (The giver of fatwa)
Mujtahid (The undertaker of extrapolation)
Imam (The Spiritual Teacher/ Leader of Prayer)
Qadi (The Judge)

Generally the word sheikh refers to ‘learned’.

Now I know, you know all these things. Let’s continue:

The word scholar in English other than taking the meaning ‘learned’ also means ‘student’ … therefore one who considers his studies ended is no longer a scholar. This is true on the wisdom front. If wisdom has not set in to the workings of a ‘student of knowledge’ then he will quickly come to the conclusion that learning has a foreseeable end - a pass mark.

Perhaps the answer you are looking for is level of ones inherent intimacy with the knoweldge one has acquired. So really we are talking about learning levels.

If we look at Bloom’s taxonomy for the time being then we can draw parallels in Islam from it.

http://www.ops.org/reading/blooms_taxonomy.html

Bloom kindly peformed research to develop his education learning levels: which are:

Knowledge:
Understanding:
Application:
Analysis:
Synthesis:
Evaluation:

Knowledge: This is the basic level where a person acquires knowledge to be able to recite from it by heart. Examples in Islam include the memorisation of the Qur’an. This is truly a basic level because the history of major scholars in Islam shows that many of them memorised the Qur’an in the very early years. Also, memorisation of hadith, etc.

Understanding: This level demonstrates the ability of a person to organise their memory in such a way that it becomes inherent to the way one thinks. It provides the necessary impetus for one to accept or reject on the basis of.

Application: This is the manifestation of action driven by the faculty to understand the requirement. It is an embodiment of the knowledge at hand. This is seen as tangible actions from an objective viewpoint. In Islam we have the five pillars to demonstrate our ‘application of knowledge’ to Allah (SWT).

Analysis: This is the process of reflection and pondering, the scientific research for example categorisation of hadith in terms of their authenticity and clarity, doing something outside the taught processes to get a better hold of things within. Mufti workings.

Synthesis: Thoughts, ideas and content organisation this is the ability to draw conclusions i.e. ijtihad and fatawa on issues involving the bid’a hasana.

Evaluation: To Judge … to gain experience and insight, provide spiritual insight and clues to progress in the knowledge at hand. To produce a school of thought - a fiqh manufacturer.

These levels are built upon the gaining of the consecutive level. i.e. knowledge can be gained so far as memory is good, but the recall power is good when exercised with understanding, this understanding in turn increases when the knowledge is applied and the application becomes meticulous when the actions are analysed. The ability to analyse is enhanced when the synthesis is undertaken and synthesis is performed at greater ease when evaluation (or looking from an external perspective) is performed.

Many scholars of the past knew hadith in the thousands with their complete contexts. Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal if I remember correctly had a very high level to consider people scholars. Such scholars are lost today!

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Nicely put, I must say. I never tried to overlay Blooms taxonomy the way you did but it appears correct. The last sentence I have emboldened seems to agree with my point as well, we really have no standard or structure to produce reliable scholars today. Or in other words the upbringing of todays scholars needs to be within a more educational and research oriented infrastructure where their scholarly abilities can be marked at levels.

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A lovely sentiment, and one that shows the depth of thirst of knowledge in Islam (in complete contrast to teachings of Christianity where God loves a fool over a wise man), but unfortunately a fake hadith.

al–Albaanee *declares this hadith *mawdoo (fabricated) in ***Da’eef al-Jaami as-Sagheer* (#s 1005-1006).

ibn al–Jawzee **quotes ibn Hibbaan and says: “invalid/rejected, it has no basis”** ‘al–Mawdoo’aat’ (1/215).

The correct basis for this hadith goes: “S*eeking knowledge is an obligatory duty upon all Muslims*”. Any mention of China renders the hadith fabricated, but *hasn *(good) without it.

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Even if its weak, you can use weak hadees when it comes to fazaail (virtues).

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I understand this. But those scholars have not classed it simply as ‘weak’, but ‘fabricated’ altogether!