Today whilst driving home my dad and me got talking about religion and I said something related to photographs which made my dad say don’t be such an extremist it’s that sort of narrow minded thinking which leads young’ns these days to commit suicide bombings etc. (Like what’s that got to do with anything? And like I don’t know that’s wrong )… on the other hand if my dad caught me with a vodka in my hand he’s probably disown me..
It reminded me of earlier in the year when a friend said he thought women who wear scarves on their heads are extremist and it’s unnecessary and what’s modest in his eyes (pants and t-shirt) is good enough but when a gora guy sat their suggested the idea of boob tubes and bikinis he got all defensive and said you’ll never see Muslim women dressed like that.
It got me thinking where do you draw the line? Is an extremist someone who goes a step further than religion requires them or is it someone who takes religion “too seriously” and tries living his/her life exactly how religion requires of them? Is extremist and fundamentalist the same thing?
It seems like pick and choose Islam is fine and acceptable but if someobody wants to totally submit everyone has a problem with it.
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*Originally posted by Naadir: *
Today whilst driving home my dad and me got talking about religion and I said something related to photographs which made my dad say don’t be such an extremist
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What kind of photographs? and what was your comment?
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*Originally posted by Naadir: *
...women who wear scarves on their heads are extremist
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No dude. Head scarves no problemo! Only those who are hiding bombs under their loose dress are extremist terrorists.
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*Originally posted by Naadir: *
... if someobody wants to totally submit everyone has a problem with it.
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Submit and do "Aamal Saleh", be truthful, trustworthy, and tolerant, nobody will ever have problem with you. However if you submit to OinkBL, there is a Gitmo air-ticket ready for you.
Well I suggested we throw away the photo album and budhha heads in the lounge because images of animate objects are not allowed and my dad thought I was being too extreme.
But I don't see how that sort of thinking leads to terrorism, common sense tells us suicide bombings, ramming plains into buildings and killing civilians on the streets is wrong.
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*Originally posted by Naadir: *
Well I suggested we throw away the photo album and budhha heads in the lounge because images of animate objects are not allowed and my dad thought I was being too extreme.
But I don't see how that sort of thinking leads to terrorism, common sense tells us suicide bombings, ramming plains into buildings and killing civilians on the streets is wrong.
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Bad news! I have to agree with your dad. I hope you didn't learn this side of religion from the local mosque.
The word extremist is almost exclusivly labelled against islam, and that is not correct thing to do if you want to find real meaning of extremist then just look at these guys in Pentagon and Whitehall in the UK these are the real extremists because these people plan day and night how to exploit the world and gain as much monetry benefit and power regardless of the tens of thousands that die because of there selfish policies.!
Secondly about muslims commiting military actions you have to ask yourself why are they doing it in the first place. For example do you disagree with the chechens fighting the russians which puts a population of less than a million up against a state which has over 200 million. Do you disagree with palestinians defending themselves against the world famous terrorist state of israel which has stolen like thives the land and treated all palestinians like prisoners!
These days a brother who grows a half beard is called an extremist. I mean imagine what they would say if he had a full beard. Sisters, who half cover their bodies are labelled extremists.
These days anybody calling to Tawheed is called an extremist.
Any brother who has his garments above his ankles is an extremist.
Talking about the Jihad of the Companions is extremism.
Talking about Salah ud-Deen is extremism.
Talking about the corruption of the leaders in our lands is extremism.
Why?
Because it is Ghareeb (Strange). It is strange to the people. The Religion, the Authentic Religion, is Strange.
Our Prophet sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam informed us about these times when holding onto the Sunnah would be like holding onto hot coals.
So are you surprised?
This is the time when the one calling to Shirk and Misgudiance is hailed. And the one calling to the Authentic Religion is banished.
These are the times when the Truthful one is taken as a liar and the liar is taken as the Truthful.
So the advice of al-Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal and al-Imam 'Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak on times of difference - may Allaah be pleased with them both - :
If the people differ over a matter, then see what those on the frontlines are upon, for the Truth is with them, because Allaah Says: {Those who did Jihaad in Our Cause, We will surely guide them to Our Paths.}Surah al-'Ankaboot :69]
I think that 'Extremists' are those who mold and shape Islam to suit themselves. The real Islam seems to be strict at first glance. Many people think some of the ways of Islam are ridiculous, until they learn more about the religion itself. Many of us read something or find something out, and base the rest of the religion on what we know. There is so much to learn about Islam. I mean just look at the kalimah: "Bismillah Irahman Irahim," "In the Name of Allah, most gracious most merciful.” Allah is most gracious and most compassionate. People who are ‘extremists’ are basically those who don’t know exactly what it’s about. They’re mixing their own ideas with the real aspects of Islam.
Extremism is absolutely a political term. I do not know under what complexes the author opens a thread at religious forum.
There have been political extremist groups, but these groups are usually certain not to target civilians, even if they belong to the oppressor community. Mostly these groups try to find some stage to propagate their ideas. In many cases they renounce violence.
Religious extremism is uncertain in values and thoughts.
Today, Islam is at the corner. Islam does not say to kill oneself in a Holy war to get heaven. It says if you are killed in a Holy war, you go to heaven. (All religions more or less say the same thing, except Buddhism).
As in school days we have key books for preparations, in Islam, they have created some key notes for fundamentalist followers. And the entire notions are changed.
Kill yourself while killing as much as possible from the non-Muslim community and you get heaven. And for a religious extremist there remains no difference between a soldier and a civilian.
Why to blame the non-Muslim world for blaming Muslims for extremism?
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*Originally posted by ak47: *
The word extremist is almost exclusivly labelled against islam, and that is not correct thing to do if you want to find real meaning of extremist then just look at these guys in Pentagon and Whitehall in the UK these are the real extremists because these people plan day and night how to exploit the world and gain as much monetry benefit and power regardless of the tens of thousands that die because of there selfish policies.!
Secondly about muslims commiting military actions you have to ask yourself why are they doing it in the first place. For example do you disagree with the chechens fighting the russians which puts a population of less than a million up against a state which has over 200 million. Do you disagree with palestinians defending themselves against the world famous terrorist state of israel which has stolen like thives the land and treated all palestinians like prisoners!
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Akhi I’m not against Jihad, defensive or offensive if the need arises but I don’t see how killing innocent civilians can be right.
America, Israel and the rest of Kuffardom are no angel and we all know that, but there’s decent people living amongst them even if they be in the minority, why harm them? In the planes/WTC there was young babies same age as our younger siblings and old aged people just like our grandparents who got killed, yeh kahaan ka insaaf aur insaniyat hai? If Israel kills one Palestinian child Muslims should go kill a hundred of their soldiers but strapping a bomb to yourself and walking into a bus full of young masoom school kids and killing them. I know desperation, anger, frustration and loosing hope in other means leads to things like this but aren’t we suppose to be better than them? We’re Muslims, their hearts are dark and hardened by sin and Kuffr, they don’t understand basic insani ikhlaq or nothing but we have hearts which can feel other peoples sufferings, our Lord is Ar-Rahman and Ar-Raheem or Prophet PBUH is a Mercy to the worlds, then why do Muslims nowadays lack even basic insaani akhlaaq?
First of all THE WTC incident was not a jihad. No one knows who really did it, be it a guy with one failed kidney sittin in a cave in Afghanistan or the US/ Israeli intelligence..who knows?. The whole Islamic world condemns it and Islam condemns killing of innocent people. Jihad is basically a struggle. It can include fighting against an oppressor or evil or an enemy in battle. There is a difference between Jihad vs. killing innocent people, and also a difference between killing innocent people vs. attacking heavily armed occupyiers in battle for liberating your home or land when they take over your land or home - even if they claim to be 'civilians' as we see happening in the illegal Zionist settlements.
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The word extremist is almost exclusivly labelled against islam, ...
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Wrong again.
Extremist term is used for Beardos who claim to be Muslims.
The same term is used for Tamils, Maoists, RSS, shining path, Bascs etc. Once you get rid of beardos, Muslims will be fine.
well, for me 'extremist' does not hold any status theoretically. If someone, for instance, calls somebody an extremist because he sports a beard or he takes relgion too seriously, I would ask him/her that how does that make sense? What does it mean when one says that religion is being taken too seriously. Should you pray 3 not 5 times a day? or should you pay zakat every alternate year, or should you not read Quran everyday? If this is known as non-extremism then I don't think one can really call himself a muslim while not believing on all the fundamental beliefs of a muslim. Anyways, just my thought but again 'extremist' just can't be defined in religious terms.
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These days anybody calling to *Tawheed is called an extremist.
Any brother who has his garments above his ankles is an extremist.
Talking about the Jihad of the Companions is extremism.
Talking about Salah ud-Deen is extremism.
Talking about the corruption of the leaders in our lands is extremism.
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This definition changes almost every 30 years.
There is a difference between extremism and fundamentalism. My explaination is based on my belief and the way I percieve and interpret things around me. I don't mind being referred to as a fundamentalist because we as Muslims believe in the articles of faith and in essence majority of the muslims, if viewed from that angle could be characterised as a fundamentalists.
The term is not exclusive for Muslims, it actually originated during the early 2oth century when the christian fundamentalism was at its height. Within the Islamic world itself, it was the late sixities and early seventies that saw a sudden proliferaton of religious parties (Egypt and Sudan for example) but was precisely due to the disenchantment with secularism and the failure of leaders to deliver that led certain segments to call for an alternative system and what could be best but an Islamic one which wasn't given a chance uptill then. The Westerers try to label it as 'Islamic Revivalism' and many muslim scholars have contested that on account that Islam never fizzled out from the lives of the muslims so that term is flawed. However, it could also be seen as a renewed interest in Islam.
Extremism, as said above is just not limited to religion alone. But then since we are talking about religion, I would say that extremism is not sporting a beard or wearing shalwar above your ankles. Extremsism is when you consider yourslef better than the other person(holier than thou attitude) and try to impose your will onto others. This is when you step your line and consider yourself to be the upholder of truth, resorting to measures that could very well be deemed as unIslamic. Since we live in tis world , we ought to be balanced in our approach towards the affairs of deen and dunya. ANd yes for that you have to pick and choose. Now you can live your life they way you want within the confines of your place but once you step out, don't just expect everyone to abide by your rules.
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..... I don't mind being referred to as a fundamentalist because we as Muslims believe in the articles of faith and in essence majority of the muslims, .....
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Personal trends aside, Muslims in general do not believe in the articles of faith i.e. Truthfulness, trustworthiness, tolerance.
Extremists are synonymous with anarchists. If someone tries to spread anarchy, disrupt daily business activities, behead people, well! we have an anarchist on our hand. Commie, lefties, and Mullah Aya-Tullah nexus have always been famous precisely for that reason.
Again, you are mocking the beard. Thus you are mocking the Sunnah. You are mocking the Nabi sallallaahu 'alayhi wa slalam. You are mocking the Religion of Allaah.
You deserve to be beaten up and humiliated and ridiculed. Loser.
)… on the other hand if my dad caught me with a vodka in my hand he’s probably disown me..
