How can Turkey be regarded as an Islamic State?

I came across this BBC article with regards to Pig farming and consumption of pork in the so called ‘Muslim’ Turkey. I was born and raised in the UK in the 60s and am very English in my attitude and respect for my Islamic upbringing do not cross over. In the UK it is extremely rare more so impossible for a muslim from the Indian subcontinent to even contemplate anything to do with the pig let alone consume it on a daily basis as so happens in Turkish secular society. Are they so deperate to get into the EU that they would eat each other to get in! I am glad that the Turkish ministry is trying to step in and put a stop to this. I don’t mind other people eating the meat, but why say you are a muslim and then eat pork which is strictly forbidden for a reason in Islam and Judaism! The Turkish are so mixed up thanks to Atatürk.

BBC World News
Saturday, 26 April 2008 12:22 UK

The demise of Turkey’s pork butchers
The role of Islam in Turkish society is a subject of continual debate. Secularists are protesting against what they see as the government’s increasingly Islamic agenda, and as Sarah Rainsford found out, the latest battleground could be across the butcher’s counter.

“We’re going filming at a pork butcher’s and a pig farm,” I told my Turkish cameraman in a text message. Slightly anxious, I added: “Is that OK with you?”
A moment later a message from Gokhan flashed back.
“Yes,” he wrote. “I like a good pork steak!”
He is not the only one.
Another Turkish friend told me that eating pork, which is forbidden by Islam, is increasingly popular in secular high society here.
She described this as an act of defiance by some Turks who fear religious dictates have begun creeping into their lives since a government led by devout Muslims took power.
But those people could soon be looking for a new way to rebel because Turkey’s pork industry is on the brink of extinction.
Shrinking business
Lazari Kozmaoglu describes himself as the last pork butcher in Istanbul.

Lazari Kozmaoglu has worked as a butcher for 40 years
We met at his unmarked shop, in the shadow of a towering, Orthodox church. Outside, hungry-looking cats sat pawing the window.
As Lazari showed me round, he reminisced about the cosmopolitan Istanbul of his youth - filled with ethnic Armenians and local Greeks like himself. The days when the pork business was booming.
Many of those Christians have long since left or been forced out. But Lazari stayed on.

Curiously, all the other slaughter houses that once dealt with pork have been closed too

For more than 40 years he has been selling pork to his own fast-shrinking Christian community, to defiant Muslims, and to foreigners. Now, he is being squeezed out of business.
Lazari’s being prevented from slaughtering pigs and the stock of meat in his freezer is running critically low.
He owns an abattoir but the Agriculture Ministry has refused him a licence to operate it, saying it does not meet strict new regulations.
Curiously, all the other slaughter houses that once dealt with pork have been closed too. Lazari’s reluctant to say what he suspects is happening.
“There are only 2,000 Greeks left in Istanbul,” he grumbled. “None of us dares speak out.”
So a rare customer filled in the gaps.
“It’s all about Islam,” Sami said, as the shop assistant wrapped his sausages in greaseproof paper.
“Most people are more religious these days. They don’t want to eat pork, and they don’t let others produce it either.”
In a typical “Istanbul” twist, the customer himself was Jewish. Behind him I spotted my Muslim colleagues - munching contentedly on ham sandwiches.
Conservative rule
Today’s governing AK Party is far more conservative than my workmates.
It is extremely popular in rural Turkey, and with the new urban, religious-conservative middle-class here.
But the AKP’s leaders once belonged to a more radical, pro-Islamic party, and strictly secular Turks suspect their agenda has not changed.
To such sceptics, the fate of the pork business is proof.
A couple of hours’ drive towards the Bulgarian border, I found a farm that seemed at first to be thriving.

Despite an ever increasing number, Zafer is unable to sell his pigs
Trees heavy with honey-blossom did nothing to disguise the stink of some 300 pigs, snuffling through the mud for food.
“You’ll find the smell addictive,” Zafer the farmer laughed, as I tried in vain to block it out.
A lively man, with bushy brown curls, he invested heavily in his farm, spurred on by visions of British tourists breakfasting on his bacon, and diplomats barbecuing his pork chops.
But four years on, Zafer cannot sell a single animal for slaughter.
Just like Lazari with his abattoir, Zafer’s farm has failed the new hygiene test.
On top of that the regulations now say you can only farm pigs if you say which abattoir will slaughter them: Catch-22 when they have already been closed.

Back in Istanbul, the local Agriculture Ministry man denied the situation’s anything to do with Islam

“The government doesn’t announce out loud that it has banned the pig farms,” Zafer told me.
“But at the end of the day, that’s what’s happened here. They’re trying to send a message to their religious constituents,” he said.
Back in Istanbul, the local agriculture ministry man denied the situation’s anything to do with Islam.
He insists the regulations were introduced to bring Turkey up to European standards.
“We’ve got no problem with pork,” Ahmet Kavak told me. “The farmers just need to meet the criteria.”
Hope for resolution
As evidence, he claimed the ministry was now working closely with Lazari to help open his slaughter house.
If that does finally happen - after years of fruitless negotiation - the butcher believes farmers could be lured back to the pork business.
Zafer is ready and waiting.
“This lot are eating me out of house and home,” he laughed, pointing to a wriggling pile of pink and black-spotted piglets. His herd keeps on expanding.
But Zafer’s passionate about pig farming, so he keeps the animals as pets, holding out for a solution.
“The authorities thought we’d give up.” Zafer told me.
Then, he continued, “at the elections, they could say: ‘Look, we’re Muslims, we finished off this business,’ but we’re still here - and determined to solve this”.
He smiled as a three-day old piglet clambered across his feet, then trotted off after its mother across the field.

Re: How can Turkey be regarded as an Islamic State?

No one's claiming that Turkey is an Islamic state. The Turkish military actively threatens to overthrow any government that tries to carry out any law in the name of Islam.

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Its like how desi muslims will actively indulge in other vices like sex drugs and drink....but stay away from pork!!!!
why?....they might as well!!

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no comments..on turkey..
per pakistan ko bhi istarah islamic country nahi kaha ja skahta..our dress code is differnet...wahan ka dress code hi dekh lain..culture.. ...and rituals dekh lain..:P..so no comments..lol..lol/...
Zameen joi bhii ho ..DEEN DIL main hota hai..Aur jiskay dil main deen agaya ussnay ALLAH ki mohabbat AND JANNAT PAALI:).

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Wah wah kambal :p

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That was superb and my congratulations to your parents as you have shown signs of having had good upbringing.

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Turkey is a Muslim nation as much as Pakistan is. good and bad is every where. true values of true Islam are practiced correctly some where and not at other regions in the world.

you cant say Turkey is not an Islamic state.
everything has its place and so does charater of a nation, as far as its ideals get based on faith of its people & the goodwill to genuinely practice just and fair rules in that state as a social establishment.

best,

Dushwari

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yeah i totally agree with babul ki gudia

cuz if ur saying that just cuz of pig farming turkey shudnt be called as muslim state

then i think that almost all of the muslim countries shudnt be called as muslim states

cuz alcohol is available rerely u see any woman in hijab

ppl have premerital sex

no country is following islamic laws

if only pig farming gets them ou of religion then all of other countries letting any haram things happen shud be thrown out of islam too

in many muslim countries alcohol is legal

no law watsoever for hijab

no punishment for pre-marital sex and adultry

no1 cares if any body prays or not

so.....................................

wat u say we shud exclude all of these countries too??

so how many countries left???

u tell me!!!

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Why the sudden interest in Turkey? Let them be. That is one of the very rare muslim majority states that is not in constant suicide attacks and not holding the b egging bowl for alms from the west while preaching anti-west.

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Turkeys can never be reagarded as an Islamic state because we have them for thanksgiving dinner and not ID. The day we start having halal turkeys on ID, we can regard it as Islamic state.

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lol. NO comments on any country..what does land have to do wid anything..LOOG Mulk banatay hain....agar loog badal jayain tu countries bhi badal jayingi:P..lol..and wiasya pakistan ka culture bhi badal chuka hai..per jo islam pe hain woh hain..:)..jinko hadayat milli aur unhon ne lii..:)..woh sahi rahay...LOl.>ALlah swt countries ka thorii na hisaab laingaye..hisaab tu akhirat main logon ka hona hai woh bhi individually sab ka:P

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LOL...again i'd say dont judge me by my parents/family...lol..again my whole family si different..i'd say mujhay hadayat milli n shayad i'm trying my best to b a good muslim and do what i feel is right:)

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I totally differ with the story by BBC, Have they published any story about eating food by Christians which are forbidden for them. Do not forget that there are lot of Christians living in turkey and they are eating pork although forbidden by Bible.

Lets publish a story about non muslims eating Halal food ???? How about that

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It is not forbidden for Christians to eat pork.

Jesus said "It is not what enters into the mouth that defiles the man, but what proceeds out of the mouth, this defiles the man." Matthew 15:11

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I think it is forbidden:

The Bible prohibits the consumption of pork, in the book of Leviticus

“And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be cloven footed, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you”.

“Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcass shall ye not touch, they are unclean to you.” [Leviticus 11:7-8]

Pork is also prohibited in the Bible in the book of Deuteronomy

“And the swine, because it divideth the hoof, yet cheweth not the cud, it is unclean unto you. Ye shall not eat of their flesh, nor touch their dead carcass.” [Deu 14:8]

It's mentioned in the Old testament quite clearly, not so sure about the New testament.

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I wasn't judging you.

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There are some sects of Christianity which forbid pork.

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Did Jesus ever eat pork? He followed Jewish law, so I doubt it...

Should be construed more of a warning against empty rituals...Muslims have a similar saying regarding backbiting...

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^Are you saying the true Christian scripture is the Old Testment (Jewish Law) and not the New Testament (drafted by Paul after Jesus pbuh)?

Because Old testament clearly forbids the consumption of pork on the faithful and/or followers of the scripture. :hmmm: