How 'bout Democracy..

How 'bout Hamas!! May this victory - on the heals of many martyrs and sacrifices - brings about a revolution not just in the Occupied Lands but in all of Muslim and Arab world. May this be the beginning in the Muslim world where the leaders are chosen through their tested mettle and not installed through shamly overtures as in Iraq. May this be the beginning of the end of tyrannies, dictatorships, despotism and autocracies across the Muslim world. May this change inspire the others to rid themselves of the Abdullahs, the Qazzaffis, the Musharrafites, the Mubaraks..and many more…Here’s to democracy and freedom :jhanda:

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But Democracy and Khilafat dont mix well Dullah. You know that.

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^ that was lame fabs. where did khilafa come into this picture ?

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So you propose democracy in the muslim land and not khilafat? I just wanted to clear that.

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I await breathlessly the next steps in Democracy after elections---accountability and integrity.

I think Hamas will behave like adolescent children, and will accomplish nothing. Lots of posturing, marching in the streets, outrageous resolutions, Ak-47 waving, and very little else.

Whoo Hoo....

Ultimately very bad for the Palestinian people.

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So you propose democracy in the muslim land and not khilafat? I just wanted to clear that.<<
I want Muslims to rid themselves of corrupt and inept dictators, just like how the Palestineans have done. Whether, they(muslims) have the power and freedom to do so, this is a different question. Nonetheless, the results are clear when a populace is given freedom to choose without any manipulation from external entities.

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Any Palestinean conspiring with Shin Beit should get teh death penalty right away. This is the initial step in restoring “accountability and integrity”

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That particular form of Arab "justice" has been in place for some time.

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Abdullah, you are a hammas supporter? shocked

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^ Why? What is wrong with being a Hammas supporter?

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How can terror and politics fix the problem?

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I believe, then it’s safe to assume that it could be reformed from a vigilante to a constitutional one.

Moving on. On a positive note, don’t you believe that it’s stunning that one of the most oppressed and deprived nations amongst the Muslim world is also capable of leading when it comes to having an intitutionalized democracy stemming from a fair and free election. I don’t think the Hamas is only to be commended, but all the Palestineans as a nation.

You have thugs and murderers like Netanyahu who are shocked by the brilliant victory of Hamas, and are calling for sanctions to be imposed on all of Palestine for making a “conscious” decision as to who should rule their territories. But, you know what, Netanyahu is dead wrong! Hamas doesn’t need the world’s support; it has thrived, and delivered to its people whilst being labeled as a terrorist organization; sanctioned, and without any monetary support or RECOGNITION from the outside world.

On this juncture the world needs Hamas as a collective voice of millions of Palestineans.
The world needs to mend its ways of dealing with the Palestineans based on justice if it ever wants to see a lasting solution.

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Umair, please elaborate more on your definition of ‘terror’ and ‘politics’?

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Brilliant Victory of Hamas?

The only commentary here is that Arafat is dead. For year he made excuse after excuse to AVOID elections, and the Palestinian people bought it hook line and sinker. Arafat was the man. Now he is gone, and people are almost immediately voting again. So they vote for change. They vote anti-Arafat. They vote against the status quo, and the only alterantive to Arafat's status quo is Hamas. Soon they will find out that Hamas is the same olive oil different wrapper. Lots of machotalk, same corruption, more ideology, no better life.

What the Palestinians don't realize is that Hamas is LESS capable of creating jobs, security, peace, dignity and and an honorable homeland than a more conservative course. On the other hand, the PA, courtesy of Arafat was one of the most corrupt organizations in the world. Who can blame them for voting against it? A horrible set of choices, and Hamas won. Who really cares?

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Ohioguy, has it ever occurred to you that the Palestinian people may have voted for Hamas also because they agree that Israel should be wiped out? That may be, a majority of Palestinian people are in favor of bomb blasts inside Israel to make Israel suffer as much as they are suffering? To brush aside obvious inference, and instead paint it as they had two bad choices, so they selected a worse one and soon they will regret it, smacks of not understanding, or even attempting to understand the situation.

Yeah, its easy to see everything the way you want to see it, and making no attempt to understand the other view point means less time spend on analyzing and more time spend yapping.

Make no mistake. I am no fan of Hamas and I think this election will create more problems than it will solve, but I don't presume to know better than the people on the ground who voted. Trust me, I know. I am from Pakistan, and I have seen my countrymen and women make terrible electoral mistakes (at least from my point of view) by electing corrupt politicians year after year. It hurts. But its a fact of life. Lets just admit it and move on.

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And by the way, had a pro-Israel coalition won in Palestine, you'd have cared for the elections and cheered the values of democracy and how people wisely use their freedom. Blah blah blah. Now, that the same people have voted for Hamas, response is "who cares". Interesting! :)

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Democracy is only convenient when your party wins. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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Wakin’g up with a heart burn must be tough eh!
Hey, it is the Israelis and NOT the Palestineans themselves that have blocked elections repeatedly. How on earth can you possibly vote whilst being pummeled with gunships.
After all, the Occupied Territories are nothing more than a concentration camp. The barriers, the curfews, the blockades, the intimidation and manipulating the entire system so that the Palestinean can never ever realize their dream of a sovereign state.
But, it’s the people of Palestine and not Hamas who proved it wrong through their patience and perserverance. Hamas is now only the representation of what the Palestinean people desire. The Palestineans as a people need to be commended for setting such a stellar example under agonizing and horrific Israeli occupation.
They have kept up the struggle through whatever means at their disposal and have made a choice - BASED ON THE GROUND REALITIES AND NOT THROUGH EXTERNAL PRESSURE AND MANIPULATION - which is most reflective of their aspirations.

With 45% rate of unemployment in the Occupied Territories - thanks to Israel - do you think the suffering endured by the Palestineans due to lack of jobs could get any worse? If it wasn’t for Hamas’ rockets and attacks on Israel, then Gaza would still be occupied. If it wasn’t for Hamas’ social programs such as education, stipends for widows and orphans, and basic health care services; the vast majority of the Palestinean population would not have access to such basic services. They have done this through their OWN internal network of volunteers and donations whilst under brutal sanctions from rest of the world. Hamas doesn’t care. For now, all it has to do is to work with the existing authorities for smooth transition of power. In order to strengthen the security apparatus internally it will dwell on its own armed wing. However, it must get rid of Fatah’s collaborators on Israeli payrolls. And does what it’s best at which is to run social programs and provide basic amenities.

The world needs Hamas now as it has become an unequivocal choice of millions of people sitting right next door to Israel, and it certainly does not bode well for its security. In reality, behind the veil of threats and boycotts, there’s an underlying contrived need to negotiate with the Palestineans to secure Israel, and guess who is representing the Palestineans.?

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All of you are wrong... it was simply meant to be.

Ladies and gentleman we have something called a change going on. Change is good.

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i can really feel for israelis,americans and also for our roshan khayal pentagon paid servants....hammas is the symbol of palestinian people state of mind...they hate israelis and hammas fights for them....hats off to hammas and all the jehadis organisations...hammas should wipe out the "muslims agents" in their lines before thinking of wiping out israel..