Here is a quick question for you … I tried finding the answer on the internet, but couldn’t see any good results.
How big are the unmanned drone airplanes - the kind that cross into Pakistan’s air space and launch missile strikes? Are they roughly the same size as a regular fighter/bomber airplane; or are they much much smaller?
Question is more in terms of are they easy to detect (by radar or human eye) and destroy; or are they so small (and fly so low) that they can’t be easily targetted.
Thanks. Seems like MQ-1 is roughly half the size in length of an F-16. Wingpan is longer but height is just a fraction. Of course difference in speed is spectacular (135 mph vs 1500 mph).
Keep an eye on the variants and newer models too because they have been known to be in deployment around here.
For example, in the 11th June '08 "clash", a Warrior Alpha was used according to the the video report.
* www dot voanews dot com/english/2008-06-12-voa11.cfm
* There's not much of a difference b/w the Predator and the Warrior Alpha, but suppose if they use another variant like the Predator-B/Reaper, then the x2 altitude and speed would make it a much harder target.
* www dot ga-asi dot com/products/predator_b.php*
Drones are very slow moving targets and can be taken down by anti aircraft firing. If PAF cannot take down a drone what else you expect from them against a supersonic fighter.
It just requires will power and courage, do you imagine the consequences of engaging US in confrontation????
Best employ the terrorist and sucide bomber approach ie the proxy war type situation , Laden's formula is proven one.
My 2 cents no its a million $$$$ suggestion. I do charge $$ when I advice the US com's
Drones are very slow moving targets and can be taken down by anti aircraft firing.
Surprisingly, that makes it hard. Fighters cannot slow down easily to intercept drones without risking stalling and crashing. Drones have very small radar and infrared cross-sections which means they need to be intercepted with gunfire - for which a fighter has to either go so slowly that it will crash or needs to attack at speed, which
is extremely difficult against a slow but moving target.
I doubt it. Pakistan’s surface Anti Aircraft capability is restricted to upto 15000 feet (Anza and even stinger), whereas these drones fly at an altitude of 25000+ feet.
Big enough for some arab and jihadi nuts to try and surrender to from the ground!
I recall reading a story a couple of yrs ago with pictures of spme bearded gun toters waving and trying to surrender before the thing sweet loaded on them!
Big enough for some arab and jihadi nuts to try and surrender to from the ground!
I recall reading a story a couple of yrs ago with pictures of spme bearded gun toters waving and trying to surrender before the thing sweet loaded on them!
I think you may be confused. Iraqi soldiers surrendered to drones in 1991 during the first Iraq war. The drones were targeting them for the 16 inch guns on US battleships off shore (the biggest cannons in the world) and the effect of the shells landing was so horrific that the Iraqis surrendered to the drones.
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Drones have very small radar and infrared cross-sections which means they need to be intercepted with gunfire - for which a fighter has to either go so slowly that it will crash or needs to attack at speed
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This is true perhaps a gunship could help but then element of surprise and warning time is on their side.
I think you may be confused. Iraqi soldiers surrendered to drones in 1991 during the first Iraq war. The drones were targeting them for the 16 inch guns on US battleships off shore (the biggest cannons in the world) and the effect of the shells landing was so horrific that the Iraqis surrendered to the drones.
helicopter gunships or anti-aircraft guns can be used to take down these things, i believe one of those was shot down by pak once a few years ago. we dont necessarily need fighter jets
Yes even I do recall this episode. Some search over the net gives impression that there has been a loss of about 30% of the operational drones over varying period and under different circumstance.
Even the SR71 has been downed in past things should be easier.
Surprisingly, that makes it hard. Fighters cannot slow down easily to intercept drones without risking stalling and crashing. Drones have very small radar and infrared cross-sections which means they need to be intercepted with gunfire - for which a fighter has to either go so slowly that it will crash or needs to attack at speed, which
is extremely difficult against a slow but moving target.
what rubish?
MQ-9 reaper have no stealth characteristics meaning they can not evade radars.. in 2002 PAF F-16 shot down IAF Israeli built "Searcher I" UAV with Aim-9L... which had even lower RCS characteristics meaning they were even harder to track then MQ-19 however... PAF did not possess BVR missile meaning PAF fighters could not shot any flying objects beyond 20+ KM.. recently Tawiani Mirage-2000 shot down UAV drones at range of 70 km with MICA!.... in these events Mirage-III Rose II/III upgraded can track these predators from 50-70 KM range..
I am pretty much sure that the poster of this thread has concern whether PAF can shot down these UAVs?
**First of all.. these UAVs carry Helfire missiles which has a range of only 8km meaning visual contact could be made easily on them..
**these UAVs could be shot down by shoulder launched SAM, Anza, Stinger, IR guided or RBS-70 Laser guided...
Yes even I do recall this episode. Some search over the net gives impression that there has been a loss of about 30% of the operational drones over varying period and under different circumstance.
Even the SR71 has been downed in past things should be easier.
what the hell are you indianguy talking about?? mind you it was U-2 spy plane back in the 50s or 60s when flying from pakistan all the way across russia into europe eventully got tracked because of the same flying path.. dont know what you have been searching on the net..
These UAV have to climb down to lower altitude when firing their hellfire missile which apparently has a very short range of 8 km… enough range for MANPADS to shoot them down.
gunships?? lol.. PA desperately need those upgraded cobras and latest AH-64 for their anti-terror operations… shooting them down with american gunships will jeopardize these possible deals..
Mirage-III Rose upgraded are most suitable for this job… plus.. insallah by the end of this year.. 1st combat capable squadron of JF-17 will be delivered with BVR missiles.. maybe they may get the shot.. lol..
I am pretty much sure that the poster of this thread has concern whether PAF can shot down these UAVs?
*First of all.. these UAVs carry Helfire missiles which has a range of only 8km meaning visual contact could be made easily on them.. *
these UAVs could be shot down by shoulder launched SAM, Anza, Stinger, IR guided or RBS-70 Laser guided...
I am assuming Pakistan (PAF, Army) has most if not all of these technologies available. So not shooting down a drone that is violating Pak air space is more a matter of lack of political will, than an actual inability to shoot them down. Correct?
I am assuming Pakistan (PAF, Army) has most if not all of these technologies available.** So not shooting down a drone that is violating Pak air space is more a matter of lack of political will, than an actual inability to shoot them down.** Correct?
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what the hell are you indianguy talking about?? mind you it was U-2 spy plane back in the 50s or 60s when flying from pakistan all the way across russia into europe eventully got tracked because of the same flying path.. dont know what you have been searching on the net..
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Sorry never did searchh google for the correct model where they all not for same role???.
Next advice to the Indian DRDO to make drones, looks like a big sh. t scare factor
Thanks to know they took off from Pak unfortunate for the pilot. Unfortunately PAK cannot even take down something unmanned even at much lower altitude even in 2008 ......... accept it ,it is unwilling attitude.
