What is the statistical probability of even taking place (something happening) if you pray/hope for something (in hope vs payers)? And, if there is no difference, what the point of prayers if chances are same?
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I think one opt for dua when he has belief and hope in God. Belief that God can relieve us from sufferings and solve our problem is the basis for dua. While making dua, one don't see probabilities. If dua is fulfilled its the status of 'shukr' and if its not fulfilled it should lead a person to 'sabr'. Razi ba raza rehne wale hamesha khush rehte hain :)
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^Well siad.
I think hope, unconsciously or consciously, is kind of belief in 'unseen' or God.
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What is the statistical probability of even taking place (something happening) if you pray/hope for something (in hope vs payers)? And, if there is no difference, what the point of prayers if chances are same?
There is no possibility! Hope and prayer don't cure diseases, researchers tirelessly working to find a cure, most of whom are atheists by the way, do! Hope and prayer are the last recourse of the week, and the first remedy of the lazy! You want something to happen...work for it! Action....not incantations and spells!
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There is no possibility! Hope and prayer don't cure diseases, researchers tirelessly working to find a cure, most of whom are atheists by the way, do! Hope and prayer are the last recourse of the week, and the first remedy of the lazy! You want something to happen...work for it! Action....not incantations and spells!
I don't know the concept of dua in other religions, but in Islam its not about hath pe hath rakhna. It has been reminded to people in Quran at various places that God is all powerful and he grant prayers (dua) when someone makes a dua, but every person gets what he /she strives for.
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There is no possibility! Hope and prayer don't cure diseases, researchers tirelessly working to find a cure, most of whom are atheists by the way, do! Hope and prayer are the last recourse of the week, and the first remedy of the lazy! You want something to happen...work for it! Action....not incantations and spells!
are you sure that you will be cured of a disease after taking medicine or you hope you would be?
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are you sure that you will be cured of a disease after taking medicine or you hope you would be?
Funny how you ask that question! Hope..after taking medicine. So, hoping for an outcome after doing something about it! Please tell me the last time prayer cured cancer! Also, please let me know when hope alone fed the needy around the world. Thanks.
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Funny how you ask that question! Hope..after taking medicine. So, hoping for an outcome after doing something about it! Please tell me the last time prayer cured cancer! Also, please let me know when hope alone fed the needy around the world. Thanks.
you always asume things as suite you and then build your arguments.
who talked about hope will cure cancer?
I guess you cannot even think of a difference that you are in philosophy forum?
if really you are interested in discussion then just tell me that can you escape this(hope) kind of natural instinct?
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you always asume things as suite you and then build your arguments. who talked about hope will cure cancer? I guess you cannot even think of a difference that you are in philosophy forum?
if really you are interested in discussion then just tell me that can you escape this(hope) kind of natural instinct?
The discussion here is what is the statistical probability of something happening because of hope or prayer. The probability is 0. You need actions for something to happen. We are not discussing the philosophy of hope or prayer....
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The discussion here is what is the statistical probability of something happening because of hope or prayer. The probability is 0. You need actions for something to happen. We are not discussing the philosophy of hope or prayer....
As you said hope is the last recourse of the weak so i told you hope is there even if you take medicine and you cannot escape no matter how much stronger position you are in.
Regarding the question, I would rather say it’s kind of matter of believers. As hope is kind of natural instinct and is necessary to live a healthy life so our Creator provided us a framework addressing the spiritual need. Take the hope out of the heart of a patient of some fatal disease, you will see it benefits nothing but create deadly panic for the patient. So the hope directly affects the successful occurrence of an event.
Problem with the approach you people follow is it’s too systematic and you don’t care about spiritual needs of human being but banging head against it. Such approach of reasoning will be a disaster for the world IMO.
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What is the statistical probability of even taking place (something happening) if you pray/hope for something (in hope vs payers)? And, if there is no difference, what the point of prayers if chances are same?
Because Allah commands muslims to pray, and never lose hope. To do it for material reason alone negates the very reason for doing it because you do it out of faith and to show obedience to the one who created a person in various stages, then gave it life, then gives it death, and then will give it life again to judge the person's actions.
It's all faith based. Doing it for any other reason would be pretty disappointing because if you don't get what you want, you'll see no reason behind it. If you get it, you'll try to reason it and connect dots and find an explanation for it. Faith defies logic/statistics.