What do you think about the honour killings in Pakistan? Does Islam support the view? Is the Islamic condition of four witnessess met?
it has nothing to do with religen. these
are tribal customs protecting family honor.
Reportedly, Theses killings are done "In the name of Islam and Family Honour"
I agree with rvikz.
The people who commit these crimes, can call them whatever they want, the facts will never change.
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Originally posted by Blasting_idiot:
Reportedly, Theses killings are done "In the name of Islam and Family Honour"
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Alot of things are done in the name of Islam and family honour. That doesn't necessarily make them acceptable in islam.
The existence of such situations cannot be denied, nor should they be overlooked. But one cannot blame them on Islam or Islamic shariah. I mean the Shariah contains instructions for every aspect of life; it aims towards the success and welfare of mankind in this life and the hereafter.
These practices are not the result of Islam, they arise from the prevalent cultures of those regions. Dominant, it could almost be said, to the culture of Islam, despite the fact that the people of those regions may profess a belief in Islam. For Islam and Islamic culture are one and the same, one who pursues Islam will maintain an Islamic attitude towards life and thus develop an 'Islamic culture', by that i mean that whatever there is in his/her own culture that is unfavourable in Islam will be discarded, and that which is permissible will be retained, thus the development of Islamic culture. So to answer you question, honour killings are not at all an islamic practice.
Honor killings: a brutal tribal custom
December 7, 1995
Web posted at: 10:30 p.m. EST (0330 GMT)
From Jerusalem Bureau Chief Walter Rodgers
TAIBEH, Israel (CNN) -- A woman's death has raised disturbing questions about "honor killings" in certain Arab villages of Israel. According to the tribal custom, a father, husband, brother or son is duty-bound to kill a female family member who allegedly has brought shame on the family. A cultural conspiracy of silence often hides the brutality.
Rudayena Jemael, 37, was shot in the head while she slept in her home. There was no forced entry, no robbery. Police say her 20-year-old son is the prime suspect. They think he killed her because she wanted to remarry, 19 years after her divorce.
"I think he killed her," said one woman. "You can see in his face. He killed her and he didn't even cry."
The son, Salim, who denies the murder, had a party after his release from jail.
Israeli police say there isn't enough evidence to prosecute yet. Still the police told CNN they are "absolutely convinced the son had at least one accomplice carrying out the murder."
Salim's father, Rudayena's former husband, defends his son. "It was all village gossip," he said. Men of the family, asked who murdered the woman, say, "Only Allah knows."
Such killings are endemic throughout much of the Middle East, where tribal custom prevails. In Israel, outrage over honor killings has the power to unite Arab and Israeli women like nothing else can.
Women have been murdered for dating without a brother's permission or for marrying outside the faith. When a young girl is sexually molested by a father or a brother and becomes pregnant, the girl may be blamed and sometimes executed. If a man rapes a woman, tradition holds she has brought the family shame; tribal custom says her brother may kill her.
"I despise this society," said Faten, Rudayena's daughter. "I am against these honor killings that Arab society supports."
Despite increasingly stiff penalties for honor killings, women say courts still take the man's side. "They excuse men; they say men have the right to kill," said one woman.
Ibtihaz Hasoun, accused of shaming her family, was recently stabbed to death by her brother, who had summoned villagers to watch him murder his "fallen sister." The villagers celebrated the honor killing.
"She married someone outside the village," said one man. "We would do the same thing."
Forty years ago, Kamel Hader killed his unmarried sister when she came home pregnant. Today, he vows he would do it again. "If a woman does something wrong you are supposed to kill her to regain family honor," Hader said. "Otherwise, we live in shame." (119K AIFF sound or 119K WAV sound)
Exact figures on how many women die in honor killings are impossible to come by. Unlike the case of Ibtihaz Hasoun, the executions are usually spoken of in whispers. As a CNN crew prepared this story, a shadow of a woman approached and whispered, "There are many women who die in these deserts. ... Who cares about them?"
The roots of honor killing are ancient and pre-Islamic. At Rudayena Jemael's memorial service, women listened to chants from the Koran saying, "In the day of judgment, Allah will ask, why do you kill innocent women?"
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Honor killing is carried out in all muslim countries even in Saudi Arabia. A princess was killed by a royal family because she was running away with somebody other than her older husband. whom she never wanted to marry in the first place.
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*Honor killing is carried out in all muslim countries even in Saudi Arabia. *
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That doesn't make them islamic. As the article rvikz posted up says, they date from pre-islamic times.
Since you single out the middle east, let me add to that, honour killings that take place in egypt, in palestine, in syria, in s.a.,etc., are not only carried out by people who profess themselves to be muslims, but by christians as well.
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Honor killing is carried out in all muslim countries even in Saudi Arabia. A princess was killed by a royal family because she was running away with somebody other than her older husband. whom she never wanted to marry in the first place.
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So are you telling me that such things don’t happen in India/Hindu country?
Take a look at your film industry, it is famous for making films on such matters.
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Originally posted by Blasting_idiot:
Reportedly, Theses killings are done "In the name of Islam and Family Honour"
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this has nothing whatsoever to do with Islam....
these people who "claim" to be doing God's work are sinners and live in total ignorance of what their faith is all about.
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