My point wasnt that they are lotas themselves or that you are a loyalist, whatever that means. I say that they dont deserve loyalty, when you know they are criminals. Loyalty is to ideas, principles, causes, not to personalities.
But did you bother to read the title? Its about lotaz, not criminals, or anythign else you might have thought of while reading this thread.
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First off they arent called lotaz. There are variably referred to as "back-benchers" or just dissenters.
Joe Lieberman is a recent example, George Galloway was another. Galloway ended up being disowned by Labour, but he was bucking the leadership for a long time before they parted ways.
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Being expelled from a party is one thing, but if you just change loyalties everytime a new party comes in, thats LOTA-ism, nothing else.
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Point is, what is wrong with being a "Lota"? Its not as if Pakistani political parties stand for ANY principle, except getting power and personalities. I dont see any reason why anyone should be loyal to personalities and that too extremely corrupt and flawed ones.
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Everything, a party gives you a ticket to contest from their platform, and they expect you to conform with their leadership and views. Another person I thought of was Haji Nawaz Khokar, who has had the honor of being going lota right in the middle of every hakoomat hes been in. Now there was no principled reason why he shifted parties, just some 'benefits', thats all.
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In a better world we would hold people accountable for going against stated principles. In the absence of that, when the only motivation for political parties and activists is obtaining power, why should you cling to people like BB/Nawaz/Mush?
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Again, the lotaz switched to and forth b/w these people, and I am not discussing why they do that, Im just stating they did that. Perhaps you should write an open letter to all the lotaz and demand they let us know why they jump ships?
William M. Stewart of Nevada
John P. Jones of Nevada
Henry M. Teller of Colorado
Lee Mantle of Montana
Richard F. Pettigrew of South Dakota
Frank J. Cannon of Utah
Fred T. Dubois of Idaho
Miles Poindexter of Washington
Robert M. La Follette, Sr., of Wisconsin
Robert M. La Follette, Jr., of Wisconsin
George W. Norris of Nebraska
Henrik Shipstead of Minnesota
Wayne Morse of Oregon
J. Strom Thurmond of South Carolina
Harry F. Byrd, Jr., of Virginia
Richard Shelby of Alabama
Ben Nighthorse Campbell of Colorado
Robert Smith of New Hampshire
James Jeffords of Vermont
Joseph I. Lieberman of Connecticut
UK
Belinda Stronach for one
here is a list
1945-1950 Parliament
22 April 1946 Ernest Millington Common Wealth Labour
21 October 1946 Tom Horabin Liberal Independent Declared support for the Labour government, and took the Labour whip on 18 November 1947.
26 March 1947 John McGovern Ind. Labour Party Labour
23 July 1947 Rev Campbell Stephen Ind. Labour Party Independent Granted the Labour whip on 21 October 1947.
29 October 1947 James Carmichael Ind. Labour Party Independent Granted the Labour whip on 3 November 1947.
4 November 1947 Evelyn Walkden Labour Independent Following censure by the House for his conduct.
March 1948 John Mackie Independent Conservative
28 April 1948 John Platts-Mills Labour Independent Expelled from party for sending supportive telegram to Pietro Nenni, Italian socialist allied with the Communists.
16 May 1948 Alfred Edwards Labour Independent Expelled from party for opposition to nationalisation of steel. Granted the Conservative whip on 19 August 1949.
26 October 1948 Ivor Thomas Labour Independent Resigned due to opposition to nationalisation of steel. Granted the Conservative whip on 3 January 1949.
3 October 1948 Eric Gandar Dower Conservative Independent Dispute with local association.
18 May 1949 Leslie Solley Labour Independent Expelled from party for persistently opposing government policies.
18 May 1949 Konni Zilliacus Labour Independent Expelled from party for persistently opposing government policies.
27 July 1948 Lester Hutchinson Labour Independent Expelled from party for opposition to government foreign policy.
[edit] 1950-1951 Parliament
4 August 1950 Raymond Blackburn Labour Independent Called for Winston Churchill to be Prime Minister in a Coalition government.
[edit] 1951-1955 Parliament
2 June 1954 Sir John Mellor Conservative Independent Resigned whip over increase in MPs’ salaries (Mellor was opposed). Whip restored 14 July 1954.
14 July 1954 Harry Legge-Bourke Conservative Independent Opposed to policy of withdrawing British base in Suez canal zone. Whip restored 18 October 1954.
23 November 1954 Seven MPs Labour Independent Whip withdrawn after breaking the whip over German rearmament. The seven were George Craddock, S. O. Davies, Ernest Fernyhough, Emrys Hughes, Sydney Silverman and Victor Yates, who had the whip restored on 24 February 1955, and John McGovern who had the whip restored on 10 March 1955.
10 March 1955 Sir Richard Acland, Bt. Labour Independent Opposed to party policy on nuclear arms. Simultaneously resigned his seat in order to seek re-election.
16 March 1955 Aneurin Bevan Labour Independent Whip withdrawn for challenging the authority of Party leader. Whip restored 28 April 1955.
[edit] 1955-1959 Parliament
8 November 1956 Cyril Banks Conservative Independent Resigned whip over the Suez Crisis (Banks was friendly with Egypt). The whip was restored on 19 December 1958.
13 May 1957 Eight MPs Conservative Independent Resigned whip over the Suez Crisis, wanting UK involvement in Suez to continue. The eight were Hon. Patrick Maitland (whip restored 23 December 1957), John Biggs-Davison, Anthony Fell, Viscount Hinchingbrooke, Lawrence Turner and Paul Williams (whip restored 11 July 1958), and Angus Maude and Victor Raikes who subsequently resigned their seats.
14 November 1957 Sir Frank Medlicott National Liberal and Conservative Independent Resigned whip over the Suez Crisis (Medlicott was opposed to the invasion). Whip restored 21 November 1958.
30 January 1959 Sir David Robertson Conservative Independent Resigned whip over policy on the Scottish highlands.
[edit] 1959-1964 Parliament
16 March 1961 Five MPs Labour Independent Whip withdrawn for voting against the Army estimates. The whip was restored on 29 May 1963. The five were William Baxter, S. O. Davies, Michael Foot, Emrys Hughes and Sydney Silverman.
22 March 1961 Alan Brown Labour Independent Opposed to party defence policy.
22 March 1961 Konni Zilliacus Labour Independent Whip suspended until January 1962 for writing critical article in Communist publication.
19 October 1961 Sir William Duthie Conservative Independent Resigned whip over policy on salmon fishing industry. The whip was restored on 15 November 1963.
4 May 1962 Alan Brown Independent Conservative
23 January 1964 Dr Donald Johnson Conservative Independent Dispute with local party.
[edit] 1964-1966 Parliament
None.
[edit] 1966-1970 Parliament
10 July 1966 Geoffrey Hirst Conservative Independent Conservative Failed to persuade party to vote against Prices and Incomes Bill.
8 December 1966 Reginald Paget Labour Independent Resigned the whip because of opposition to United Nations sanctions on Rhodesia. The whip was restored on 15 June 1967.
18 January 1968 Desmond Donnelly Labour Independent Opposed to defence cuts ‘east of Suez’.
31 January 1968 24 Members Labour Independent Labour Whip suspended from 31 January to 29 February. The MPs had abstained on 18 January on a vote on spending cuts, 23 of them because they were opposed to social services cuts: They were Frank Allaun, Norman Atkinson, Albert Booth, James Dickens, S. O. Davies, Michael Foot, Will Griffiths, Dr John Dunwoody, Eric Heffer, Willie Hamilton, Emrys Hughes, Peter Jackson, Anne Kerr, Russell Kerr, Malcolm Macmillan, John Mendelson, Stanley Newens, Christopher Norwood, Stan Orme, Trevor Park, John Ryan, Sydney Silverman and Tom Swain. Also Carol Johnson had abstained in protest at the Whips’ lack of disciplinary action.
[edit] 1970-1974 Parliament
24 August 1970 Gerry Fitt Republican Labour Social Democratic and Labour Formed new party.
30 September 1971 Ian Paisley Protestant Unionist Democratic Unionist Party Protestant Unionists merged into new party.
16 February 1972 Ray Gunter Labour Independent Labour Opposed to take-over of party by middle-class intellectuals.
6 October 1972 Dick Taverne Labour Democratic Labour Dispute with local party. Simultaneously resigned seat to seek re-election.
29 April 1973 Stratton Mills Conservative Alliance
[edit] 1974 Parliament
9 July 1974 Christopher Mayhew Labour Liberal Believed Labour was too vulnerable to left takeover.
[edit] 1974-1979 Parliament
11 October 1975 John Dunlop Vanguard Progressive Unionist United Ulster Unionist Split with leadership over proposal for voluntary power-sharing in Northern Ireland.
1975 James Kilfedder Ulster Unionist Independent Unionist Opposed to the growth of support for the full integration of Northern Ireland into the United Kingdom,remained committed to devolution.
19 November 1975 Robert Bradford Vanguard Progressive Unionist Ulster Unionist Opposed to power-sharing.
7 April 1976 John Stonehouse Labour Independent Believed new Prime Minister James Callaghan did not have a mandate.
14 April 1976 John Stonehouse Independent English National
26 July 1976 Jim Sillars Labour Scottish Labour Formed rebel party earlier; resigned Labour whip over public spending cuts.
26 July 1976 John Robertson Labour Scottish Labour Formed rebel party earlier; resigned Labour whip over public spending cuts.
8 October 1977 Reg Prentice Labour Conservative Believed Labour should be defeated at the next election.
26 November 1977 William Craig Vanguard Progressive Unionist Ulster Unionist Party wound up.
[edit] 1979-1983 Parliament
24 August 1979 Gerry Fitt Social Democratic and Labour Independent Socialist Dispute with party over talks process.
17 January 1980 James Kilfedder Independent Unionist Ulster Progressive Unionist Party Formed party (renamed ‘Ulster Popular Unionist Party’ in March 1980).
20 February 1981 Richard Crawshaw Labour Social Democrat Resigned whip prior to launch of new party, which he joined on 2 March.
20 February 1981 Tom Ellis Labour Social Democrat Resigned whip prior to launch of new party, which he joined on 2 March.
2 March 1981 John Cartwright Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 John Horam Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 Robert Maclennan Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 John Roper Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 David Owen Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 Bill Rodgers Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 Neville Sandelson Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 Mike Thomas Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
2 March 1981 Ian Wrigglesworth Labour Social Democrat Formed new party.
16 March 1981 Christopher Brocklebank-Fowler Conservative Social Democrat
19 March 1981 Edward Lyons Labour Social Democrat
4 July 1981 James Wellbeloved Labour Social Democrat
7 September 1981 Michael O’Halloran Labour Social Democrat
1 October 1981 Dr Dickson Mabon Labour Social Democrat
5 October 1981 Bob Mitchell Labour Social Democrat
6 October 1981 David Ginsburg Labour Social Democrat
7 October 1981 James Dunn Labour Social Democrat
7 October 1981 Tom McNally Labour Social Democrat
29 October 1981 Eric Ogden Labour Social Democrat
16 November 1981 John Grant Labour Social Democrat
30 November 1981 George Cunningham Labour Independent Labour
2 December 1981 Ronald Brown Labour Social Democrat
11 December 1981 Bruce Douglas-Mann Labour Independent Labour Subsequently resigned his seat and restood unsuccessfully for the Social Democratic Party.
11 December 1981 Jeffrey Thomas Labour Social Democrat
22 December 1981 Ednyfed Hudson Davies Labour Social Democrat
22 January 1982 Bryan Magee Labour Independent Labour Took Social Democratic Party whip in March.
16 June 1982 George Cunningham Independent Labour Social Democrat
2 August 1982 Robert Mellish Labour Independent Labour Dispute with local party.
10 February 1983 Michael O’Halloran Social Democrat Independent Labour Not selected as a candidate for the subsequent election.
[edit] 1983-1987 Parliament
31 January 1987 John Ryman Labour Independent
[edit] 1987-1992 Parliament
19 May 1988 Ron Brown Labour Independent Whip suspended until 19 August 1988 over misconduct.
14 March 1990 Dick Douglas Labour Independent Opposed to party acquiescence in administering the Poll Tax.
4 October 1990 Dick Douglas Independent Scottish National Party
25 September 1991 Dave Nellist Labour Independent Whip suspended over links to the Militant Tendency.
25 September 1991 Terry Fields Labour Independent Whip suspended over links to the Militant Tendency.
13 March 1992 John Browne Conservative Independent Conservative Whip removed for intention to stand against official candidate after he had been deselected.
[edit] 1992-1997 Parliament
23 July 1993 Rupert Allason Conservative Independent Conservative Whip suspended until 28 July 1994 after failing to back Conservative government in confidence motion.
29 November 1994 Eight MPs Conservative Independent Conservative Whip suspended until 24 April 1995 after failing to back Conservative government in confidence motion. The eight were Nicholas Budgen, Michael Carttiss, Christopher Gill, Teresa Gorman, Antony Marlow, Richard Shepherd, Sir Teddy Taylor and John Wilkinson.
29 November 1994 Richard Body Conservative Independent Conservative Resigned whip in protest at the treatment of the eight MPs who abstained. Restored on 17 January 1996.
8 October 1995 Alan Howarth Conservative Labour
30 December 1995 Emma Nicholson Conservative Liberal Democrat
24 February 1996 Peter Thurnham Conservative Independent
12 October 1996 Peter Thurnham Independent Liberal Democrat
8 March 1997 Sir George Gardiner Conservative Referendum Party Deselected by local Conservative association.
[edit] 1997-2001 Parliament
21 November 1997 Peter Temple-Morris Conservative Independent ‘One Nation Conservative’ Whip removed due to questioned commitment to the Party.
21 June 1998 Peter Temple-Morris Independent ‘One Nation Conservative’ Labour
9 September 1998 Tommy Graham Labour Independent ‘Scottish Labour’ Expelled from Party over misconduct.
26 March 1999 Dennis Canavan Labour Independent Expelled from Party after decision to stand for Scottish Parliament against official candidate.
18 December 1999 Shaun Woodward Conservative Labour
6 March 2000 Ken Livingstone Labour Independent Expelled from Party after decision to stand for Mayor of London against official candidate.
11 April 2001 Charles Wardle Conservative Independent Whip removed after rumours of support for Independent candidate in forthcoming general election.
[edit] 2001-2005 Parliament
10 December 2001 Paul Marsden Labour Liberal Democrat
2 October 2002 Andrew Hunter Conservative Independent Conservative Resigned whip in order to ally with the Democratic Unionist Party in Northern Ireland.
23 June 2003 Three MPs Ulster Unionist Independent Unionist Resigned whip over opposition to the Belfast Agreement. David Burnside and Rev. Martin Smyth accepted the whip back on 9 January 2004. The third was Jeffrey Donaldson who subsequently joined the Democratic Unionist Party (see below).
23 October 2003 George Galloway Labour Independent Expelled from Party. Formed Respect - The Unity Coalition on 25 January 2004.
5 January 2004 Jeffrey Donaldson Independent Unionist Democratic Unionist Party
25 January 2004 Ann Winterton Conservative Independent Whip suspended until 31 March 2004 over misconduct.
10 December 2004 Andrew Hunter Independent Conservative Democratic Unionist Party
15 January 2005 Robert Jackson Conservative Labour Disagreement with party over higher education funding.
3 February 2005 Jonathan Sayeed Conservative Independent Whip suspended until 7 March 2005 over misconduct.
18 March 2005 Jonathan Sayeed Conservative Independent Whip withdrawn over misconduct.
25 March 2005 Howard Flight Conservative Independent Whip withdrawn over controversial policy remarks.
6 April 2005 Paul Marsden Liberal Democrat Independent Labour Declared support for Labour Party to win the impending general election.
[edit] 2005 Parliament
20 October 2006 Clare Short Labour Independent Resigned whip. Declared support for a hung Parliament at the next election.
26 June 2007 Quentin Davies Conservative Labour Defected. Criticised the direction of the Conservative Party under leadership of David Cameron.
25 September 2007 Andrew Pelling Conservative Independent Whip suspended pending the conclusion of an investigation into the accusations he assaulted his wife. Whip restored after the announcement that no charges would be brought.
November 2007 Robert Wareing Labour Independent Resigned whip after failing in a bid for reselection. Declared he would stand as an Independent candidate.
29 January 2008 Derek Conway Conservative Independent Whip suspended pending the conclusion of an investigation into the accusations he misused his Parliamentary Allowances.
12 March 2008 Bob Spink Conservative Independent Whip suspended after he had threatened to resign the party whip due to dispute with local party.
22 April 2008 Bob Spink Independent UK Independence Having previously had whip suspended, Spink joined UKIP on 22 April, thus becoming that party’s first MP.
CANADA
1866: Andrew Rainsford Wetmore, Anti-Confederate in the New Brunswick colonial legislature, joins the Confederation Party after failing to win a desired cabinet post.
[edit] 1860s
September 1, 1868: Stewart Campbell, formerly an Anti-Confederate MP, becomes a Liberal-Conservative member.
January 30, 1869: The Anti-Confederate Party, which opposed Nova Scotia joining Confederation, collapses. Members scatter among different parties:
Conservative: Alfred William Savary
Liberal-Conservative: Archibald Woodbury McLelan, James Charles McKeagney, Hugh McDonald, Edmund Mortimer McDonald, Joseph Howe, Thomas Coffin and Hugh Cameron.
Liberal: James William Carmichael, William Henry Chipman, James Fraser Forbes, William Ross, William Hallett Ray, Patrick Power,
Independent: Alfred Gilpin Jones
October 9, 1869: Richard John Cartwright, formerly a Liberal-Conservative MP, he became a Liberal MP after being denied a position in the cabinet.
[edit] 1870s
1873: Newton LeGayet MacKay leaves the Conservatives for the Liberals.
1874: Samuel McDonnell leaves the Conservatives for the Liberals
[edit] 1880s
1887: Guillaume Amyot leaves the Conservative caucus to sit as a Nationalist. He later changes his designation to Nationalist Conservative.
[edit] 1910s
1911: Louis-Joseph Papineau, Liberal MP since 1908, re-elected as a Conservative in 1911.
As a result of the Conscription Crisis of 1917, Conservative Prime Minister Sir Robert Borden forms a Union Government in an attempt to win support across party lines. Opposition leader Sir Wilfrid Laurier refuses to support the new government but many of his MPs cross the floor to support the new government either as Unionist or Liberal-Unionist candidates in the Canadian federal election of 1917. Those loyal to Laurier run as Laurier-Liberals. Conversely, a number of Quebec Conservative MPs abandon Borden over the conscription issue and join the Liberals.
1917: Louis-Joseph Papineau, leaves the Conservatives to run as a Laurier-Liberal as a result of the Conscription Crisis.
1917: Robert Lorne Richardson, elected in the 1911 election as a Liberal (but previously sitting as variously a Liberal, Independent Liberal, Independent, and Independent Conservative) runs in the 1917 election as a Unionist.
1917: Honoré Achim crosses the floor from the Conservatives to the Liberals over the conscription issue. Does not run for re-election.
1917: William Andrew Charlton leaves the Liberal Party of Canada to run successfully as a Liberal-Unionist in the 1917 election over conscription.
1917: John Gillanders Turriff, sat as a Liberal since 1891, runs successfully as a Unionist in the 1917 election.
1917: Alphonse Verville, Labour MP since 1906 runs and re-elected as a Laurier-Liberal in 1917.
1917: Levi Thomson, a Liberal MP since 1904, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: Frederick Forsyth Pardee, Liberal MP since 1905 re-elected as a Liberal-Unionist in 1917.
1917: Edward Walter Nesbitt, Liberal MP since 1908, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: Hugh Havelock McLean, Liberal MP since 1908, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: Thomas MacNutt, Liberal MP since 1908, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: Alexander Kenneth MacLean, Liberal MP since 1900, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: William Stewart Loggie, Liberal MP since 1904, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: Hugh Guthrie, Liberal MP since 1900, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: William Stevens Fielding, Liberal MP since 1896, re-elected as a Liberal-Unionist in 1917.
1917: James McCrie Douglas, Liberal since 1909, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1917: Michael Clark, Liberal since 1908, re-elected as a Liberal-Unionist in 1917.
1917: Frank Broadstreet Carvell, Liberal MP since 1900, joins Borden’s Cabinet as Minister of Public Works in October 1917 and runs as a Liberal-Unionist in the subsequent election.
1917: William Ashbury Buchanan, Liberal MP since 1911, re-elected as a Unionist in 1917.
1919: Andrew Knox, elected as a Liberal-Unionist in 1917, joins the Progressives in 1919.
1919: George William Andrews, elected as the Liberal-Unionist MP for Winnipeg Centre in 1917, becomes an Independent on June 2, 1919 in protest of the government’s handling of the Winnipeg General Strike.
[edit] 1930s
October 14, 1935: Henry Herbert Stevens, Minister of Trade and Commerce in the Conservative government of R.B. Bennett, leaves the party to form the Reconstruction Party of Canada, but then rejoined the Conservatives in 1938.
[edit] 1950s
1952: Tilly Rollston - British Columbia Progressive Conservative MLA crossed the floor to join the British Columbia Social Credit Party of W.A.C. Bennett.
1955: Ross Thatcher - Co-operative Commonwealth Federation (CCF) MP from Saskatchewan leaves the party to sit as an Independent. He runs as a Liberal in the 1957 election but is defeated. Subsequently becomes leader of the Liberal Party of Saskatchewan and then Premier of Saskatchewan.
1955: Sam Drover leaves the Liberal Party of Newfoundland and Labrador to become the province’s first MHA representing the CCF, losing his seat in the next year’s election.
[edit] 1960s
1962: Failed New Democratic Party (NDP) leadership contender and former CCF leader Hazen Argue crosses the floor to the Liberals.
1967: Social Credit Party of Canada MP Bud Olson crosses the floor to the Liberals.
1967 - René Lévesque, Quebec MNA for Montreal-Laurier, Quebec Liberal Party to independent. Lévesque later formed the Mouvement Souveraineté-Association and then the Parti Québécois, on whose ticket he was re-elected in 1976.
1968: Social Credit leader and MP Robert N. Thompson joins the Progressive Conservative Party.
1969: Liberal MP Perry Ryan (Spadina) quits the Liberal Party to sit as an independent because of the Trudeau government’s policies on NATO and its decision to recognize the People’s Republic of China. In 1970 Ryan joined the Progressive Conservatives, but lost his seat (coming 3rd) in the 1972 federal election.
[edit] 1970s
1971 - Paul Hellyer, who had left the Liberal caucus to sit as an Independent Liberal and subsequently attempted to form a new party, Action Canada, joined the Progressive Conservatives, and sought its leadership in 1976. (In 1982, outside of Parliament and the political spotlight, he rejoined the Liberals, in 1995 formed the Canadian Action Party, and in the 2000s sought to merge it with the NDP.)
1972: Raymond Rock physically crossed the floor from the Liberals caucus to join the Progressive Conservatives.
1974 Garde Gardom, Pat McGeer, and Alan Williams, all Liberal MLA crossed to Social Credit
1974 Hugh Curtis, BC Conservative MLA crossed to Social Credit
1975 Frank Calder MLA for Atlin since 1949 crossed floor from NDP to Social Credit.
1977 - Jack Horner, Progressive Conservatives to Liberals; joined Pierre Trudeau’s cabinet. Defeated as Liberal candidate in 1979.
1977 - Colin Thatcher, Saskatchewan MLA for Thunder Creek, Liberals to the Conservatives.
1978 - James Armstrong Richardson leaves the Liberals by physically crossing the floor to sit as an independent MP.
[edit] 1980s
1980: Thomas Rideout, Liberal Party of Newfoundland and Labrador MHA, crosses the floor to join the Progressive Conservative Party of Newfoundland and Labrador over disputes with the federal government concerning control of offshore mineral resources.
1982: Peter Ittinuar, MP, New Democrats to Liberals
1985 Alan Lawrence Passarell MLA for Atlin that defeated Frank Calder crosses from NDP to Social Credit
1985 Graham Lea Prince Rupert MLA left the NDP after he was badly defeated in the NDP leadership race. He joined the rencently formed but short lived United Party of BC and then joined the British Columbia Conservative Party becoming its last ever MLA.
1986: Gilles Roch, Manitoba Liberal Party MLA, defects to the Progressive Conservative Party of Manitoba after being denied permission to run as a Liberal candidate.
1986: David Ramsay, Ontario MPP, Ontario New Democratic Party to Ontario Liberal Party
1986: Tony Lupusella, Ontario MPP, Ontario New Democratic Party to Ontario Liberal Party
[edit] 1990s
1990: Lucien Bouchard, MP, Progressive Conservatives to independent; with other MPs, he formed the Bloc Québécois.
1990: David Kilgour, MP, Progressive Conservatives to independent, and later to Liberals. In 2005, Kilgour left the Liberal Party to sit as an independent.
1990: Jean Lapierre, Liberal MP for Shefford, Quebec, leaves Liberal caucus to sit as a member of the Bloc Québécois. Lapierre would eventually return as a Liberal and was elected to the House of Commons in 2004.
1992: Richard Holden (politician), Quebec MNA for Westmount, Equality Party to independent to Parti Québécois. This move was seen as unusual as the Equality Party, a federalist English-rights party, was the ideological opposite of the PQ.
1993: Gordon Wilson and Judi Tyabji, British Columbia MLAs, British Columbia Liberal Party to the Progressive Democratic Alliance they founded.
1994: Jag Bhaduria leaves the Liberal caucus to sit as an Independent. In 1996, he styled himself Liberal Democrat; while not a registered political party, this identification was recognized in Hansard. In 1997, he re-offered for his seat as an Independent, and was defeated.
1995: Richard Neufeld, Lyall Hanson, Len Fox and Jack Weisgerber MLAs left Social Credit to join Reform Party of British Columbia
1996: John Nunziata, expelled from the Liberal caucus as a result of voting against the 1996 budget in protest, claiming a broken promise on the elimination of the Goods and Services Tax. He was re-elected as an independent in 1997
1997 Richard Neufeld MLA left Reform Party of British Columbia for the British Columbia Liberal Party
1997: Gordon Wilson after being re-elected as a Progressive Democrat, Progressive Democratic Alliance to the British Columbia New Democratic Party; joined Glen Clark’s cabinet.
1998: Alex Cullen, Ontario MPP, Ontario Liberal Party to independent, and the Ontario New Democratic Party eight days later.
1999: Angela Vautour leaves the New Democratic caucus for the Progressive Conservative caucus.
1999: Anna-Marie Castrilli, Ontario MPP, Ontario Liberal Party to Progressive Conservative Party of Ontario after losing the Liberal nomination in York Centre to Monte Kwinter (a reduction in ridings had forced the two MPPs to compete for the nomination). However, rather than running in York Centre, Castrilli runs in the 1999 provincial election in Parkdale—High Park against Liberal MPP Gerard Kennedy and is defeated.
[edit] 2000s
April 2000 - André Harvey, MP, Progressive Conservative to independent.
September 12, 2000 - David Price, MP, and Diane St-Jacques, MP, Progressive Conservative to Liberal; André Harvey, former PC MP, independent since April, also joined the Liberals at the same announcement. St-Jacques and Price reportedly told PC leader Joe Clark months earlier that they would leave the party. [1]
September 27, 2000 - Rick Laliberte, NDP MP, sits as a Liberal and later switched to independent for the 2004 election.
2001 - Jean-Guy Carignan, Liberal MP, to Independent-Liberal, to Liberal to Independent.
2001 - MPs Art Hanger, Chuck Strahl, Gary Lunn, Jim Pankiw, Val Meredith, Grant McNally, Jay Hill, Jim Gouk, Monte Solberg, Andy Burton, Brian Fitzpatrick, Deborah Grey, and Inky Mark were either expelled from or voluntarily left the Canadian Alliance caucus and sat as an “Independent Alliance Caucus”. Hanger, Gouk, Solberg, Fitzpatrick and Burton returned to the Alliance at the end of the summer; the remaining MPs continued to sit as the Democratic Representative Caucus. All but Mark and Pankiw eventually rejoined the Alliance by 2002.
2002 - Inky Mark, Democratic Representative Caucus MP to independent, then later to the Progressive Conservatives.
2002 - Jim Pankiw, Democratic Representative Caucus was denied permission to rejoin the Canadian Alliance and sat the remainder of his term as an independent MP.
May 2002 - Dennis Fentie, MLA for the Yukon New Democratic Party, leaves the party to join the conservative Yukon Party.
2002 - Joe Peschisolido, Canadian Alliance MP to Liberal.
2002 - Ghislain Lebel, Bloc Québécois MP, to independent.
2003 - Pierre Brien, Bloc Québécois MP, to independent.
December 11, 2003 - Scott Brison, Progressive Conservative MP to Liberals on the former’s merger into the Conservative Party. Also Robert Lanctôt, Bloc Québécois MP, to Liberal.
February 17, 2004 - John Bryden, Liberal MP sits as an Independent.
February 25, 2004 - John Bryden, Independent MP, sits with the new Conservative Party. He subsequently lost the Conservative nomination in his riding held shortly after his switch.
January 14, 2004 - Keith Martin, Canadian Alliance MP, sits as an Independent and announces he intends to seek the Liberal Party’s nomination for his riding to protest the former’s merger into the Conservative Party. He subsequently won the nomination, won the election and now sits in the Liberal caucus.
June 8, 2004 - Anne Cools, appointed to the Senate as a Liberal, announces that she will be crossing the floor to sit as a Conservative.
June 29, 2004 - Gary Masyk, Alberta MLA, crosses the floor from the Alberta Progressive Conservative Party to the Alberta Alliance Party.
November 22, 2004 - Carolyn Parrish, Liberal MP, was suspended from the caucus on November 18 after public comments about the Liberal party and Prime Minister Paul Martin. She decided to sit as an Independent member four days later.
2005 - David Kilgour, MP, Liberals to independent.
May 17, 2005 - Belinda Stronach, MP, Conservative Party to Liberals and joined Paul Martin’s cabinet.
June 6, 2005 - Pat O’Brien, Liberals sits as an Independent MP.
October 17, 2005 - Bev Desjarlais, NDP, sits as an Independent MP after losing her party’s nomination for an upcoming election
January 13, 2006 - Frank Branch, dean of the New Brunswick legislature and MLA for Nepisiguit, switches his affiliate from Liberal to independent pending a police investigation into his business practices
February 6, 2006 - David Emerson, MP, Liberals to Conservatives and joined Stephen Harper’s cabinet two weeks after the election.
February 21, 2006 - Michael Malley, New Brunswick MLA for Miramichi-Bay du Vin, Progressive Conservative to independent, after being turned down for a New Brunswick cabinet position and other demands. This move changed the balance of power from a majority government to a minority government in the New Brunswick Legislative Assembly.
April 13, 2006 - Michael Malley switches from independent back to Progressive Conservative while serving as speaker. This is seen as precedent setting.
January 5, 2007 - Wajid Khan, MP, leaves the Liberals and joins the Conservatives.
March 29, 2007 - Tim Peterson, MPP in Ontario leaves the Liberals to sit as an independent. On June 6, 2007 Peterson joins the Progressive Conservatives.
April 17, 2007 - Joan MacAlpine-Stiles and Wally Stiles spouses and MLAs in the New Brunswick legislature leave the Progressive Conservative Party of New Brunswick and join the governing New Brunswick Liberal Association.
lol looks like there are afterall, lota lovers around the globe. Fraudia, I really dont have the time to go through and research every case, but why dont you put up an example of a few of those people, as to how they jumped ships for money and power, like they usually do in Pakistan. Remember, no speculations, pure facts.
But did you bother to read the title? Its about lotaz, not criminals, or anythign else you might have thought of while reading this thread.
The personalities these people supposedly betray are very relevant when discussing "lotaz".
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Being expelled from a party is one thing, but if you just change loyalties everytime a new party comes in, thats LOTA-ism, nothing else.
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Merely because in Pakistan you have laws where if you go against the party line you are automatically ejected. Faisal Saleh Hayat in the last elections did pretty much the same, voted with PML(Q) while trying to stay within PPP to avoid the lota label, same diff. eventually.
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Everything, a party gives you a ticket to contest from their platform, and they expect you to conform with their leadership and views. Another person I thought of was Haji Nawaz Khokar, who has had the honor of being going lota right in the middle of every hakoomat hes been in. Now there was no principled reason why he shifted parties, just some 'benefits', thats all.
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They can expect whatever they want, this whole idea of "giving" tickets is undemocratic and nepotistic anyway. Ideally people would "contest" for tickets through a regular procedure and be deserving of tickets. It shouldnt be a divine boon granted by the Lord of the Universe Nawaz/Zardari/Mush. That is a strawman anyway, once you get a political party's ticket, in democratic systems that means that you agree with the political party's political stances. If you go against stances after agreing with them that is one thing. If you merely buck the leadership, that means squat in good democratic systems.
Infact very brave politicians around the world, such as Ron Paul, George Galloway and Joe Lieberman have bucked their respective parties and leaderships.
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Again, the lotaz switched to and forth b/w these people, and I am not discussing why they do that, Im just stating they did that. Perhaps you should write an open letter to all the lotaz and demand they let us know why they jump ships?
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I dont really care what you're discussing Spock. I argue that switching loyalties is not necessarily a bad thing to do in a system of governance where the only principle is power. Loyalty to personalities is meaningless.
lol looks like there are afterall, lota lovers around the globe. Fraudia, I really dont have the time to go through and research every case, but why dont you put up an example of a few of those people, as to how they jumped ships for money and power, like they usually do in Pakistan. Remember, no speculations, pure facts.
Spock, you asked a question, I gave you the answer, you can research to your heart's desire.
I know atleats Paul Froelich jumoed ship for power. I shared the stage with him during a republican fundraiser for Bush in 2000, when he was a big mover and shaker in illinois GOP...a few years later he jumped ship because illinois is a very democratic leaning state and he wanted to be with the stronger party.
rest of teh research is u to you, atleast the names of UK MPs have reasons of their move right there so you dont have to work too hard.
The personalities these people supposedly betray are very relevant when discussing "lotaz".
Ok, by lotaz we mean people jumping ships for promises of wazarat, and other such perks. Ofcourse, these perks can be things like NRO too.
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Merely because in Pakistan you have laws where if you go against the party line you are automatically ejected. Faisal Saleh Hayat in the last elections did pretty much the same, voted with PML(Q) while trying to stay within PPP to avoid the lota label, same diff. eventually.
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Not really, Saleh Hayat had no problems with the PPP except that he knew the PPP was not going to be in power, so he cut a deal wtih the Musharraf Lota League and for a ministry he formed a new party, the PPPPP or something. That was the end of his PPP career.
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They can expect whatever they want, this whole idea of "giving" tickets is undemocratic and nepotistic anyway. Ideally people would "contest" for tickets through a regular procedure and be deserving of tickets. That is a strawman though, once you get a political party's ticket, in democratic systems that means that you agree with the political party's political stances. If you go against stated stances that is one thing. If you merely buck the leadership, that means squat in good democratic systems.
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So if a person wins on a party's platform, he can do whatever he likes? Thats wrong, if he really thinks he can win on his own, go for an independent ticket, now you are saying something diff, i.e. the ticketing system being flawed. Thats a whole new ball game, and is out of the scope of this discussion.
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I dont really care what you're discussing Spock. I argue that switching loyalties is not necessarily a bad thing to do in a system of governance where the only principle is power. Loyalty to personalities is meaningless.
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I agree with that, but only if its done for 'valid' reasons, which sadly none of the people in my list did so, I am sure you will agree with that friend.
Spock, I will ignore your tactic of making uninformed personal comments as flames, and instead I will stick to the topic.
Benazir compromised on her principles on how her dealings with military were. so did nawaz, after all he was the creation of Zia and the military. Another lota extraordinaire …Zulfukar was the same way, called ayub ‘daddy’ back in the day. Rather kinky, but then he claimed to be anti military, served majority of his political career under military dictators as their pet, used military to further his own interests, even promoted a certain junior officer named Zio ul Haq. A decision she sure regretted when he was lynched like a common thug.
The example of altaf was to compare your own reasoning that you have to switch the party to be a lota. he did not, so by that definition he is not a lota. He is however a lota because like a thalli ka baingan he goes where power is, just like zardari and nawaz did just now. two thali kay baingans mutually gravitated towards each other.
Spock, I will ignore your tactic of making uninformed personal comments as flames, and instead I will stick to the topic.
Benazir compromised on her principles on how her dealings with military were. so did nawaz, after all he was the creation of Zia and the military. Another lota extraordinaire ...Zulfukar was the same way, called ayub 'daddy' back in the day. Rather kinky, but then he claimed to be anti military, served majority of his political career under military dictators as their pet, used military to further his own interests, even promoted a certain junior officer named Zio ul Haq. A decision she sure regretted when he was lynched like a common thug.
The example of altaf was to compare your own reasoning that you have to switch the party to be a lota. he did not, so by that definition he is not a lota. He is however a lota because like a thalli ka baingan he goes where power is, just like zardari and nawaz did just now. two thali kay baingans mutually gravitated towards each other.
Yes, and I elaborated, altaf does not lead the largest party of the country, so he has to resort to lota politics. Unfortunately, your love for Musharraf, and his allies, and hatred for all others will prevent you from understanding that good sir.
Ok, by lotaz we mean people jumping ships for promises of wazarat, and other such perks. Ofcourse, these perks can be things like NRO too.
Yeah, people being in politics for perks is bad, regardless of if they jump ship. However if they jumped ship to get the maximum benefits for those who voted for them then thats perfectly fine by me.
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Not really, Saleh Hayat had no problems with the PPP except that he knew the PPP was not going to be in power, so he cut a deal wtih the Musharraf Lota League and for a ministry he formed a new party, the PPPPP
or something. That was the end of his PPP career.
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I know, however he briefly resisted talk of leaving the PPP. This is how all the different factions form in Pakistan anyway, people saying they're still the same party, after having been ejected by the main party for dissenting.
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So if a person wins on a party's platform, he can do whatever he likes? Thats wrong, if he really thinks he can win on his own, go for an independent ticket, now you are saying something diff, i.e. the ticketing system being flawed. Thats a whole new ball game, and is out of the scope of this discussion.
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You talked about people owing something to the party because they got the ticket. People owe allegiances to policies, positions, principles, ideas. They join parties because those parties have a particular stance on those policies that matches with theirs. Their primary allegiance however is to their electorate, second to their stated opinions and beliefs, third to whatever party allegiance there is.
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I agree with that, but only if its done for 'valid' reasons, which sadly none of the people in my list did so, I am sure you will agree with that friend.
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I am not so sure. Fazlur Rehman/MQM you say is a lota, when they are distinct political parties and coalitions are supposed to be for a short duration anyway.
Sherpao remains a member of PPP even if he has his own faction, another indicator of people going against leadership, without changing whatever little ideological beliefs people in pakistani politics have these days.
Sheikh Rashid/Chaudries, again completely disloyal to Nawaz, but I dont really see why thats bad. Back when they did join up with Musharraf, that was quite a popular Pakistani sentiment. I believe both of us supported musharraf at that time. So why would you blame them for a decision that you wouldnt have good reason to oppose at the time?
Yes, and I elaborated, altaf does not lead the largest party of the country, so he has to resort to lota politics. Unfortunately, your love for Musharraf, and his allies, and hatred for all others will prevent you from understanding that good sir.
spock, I am trying to be polite here. I dont like altaf, I was only discussing the definition of lota.
I am requesting one more time to please have the discussion in a decent manner rather than calling other person names. Can you handle that. please?
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