I’ve noticed it’s increased…there’s always a story regarding it in newspapers, Magazines, internet or on T.V…A girl killed by a member/s of her family after dishonoring the family’s name. And in most cases the girl was a victim…Twice.
**She was either raped or fooled by a neighbor or a cousin…that’s what we hear anyway. **
**And as if it’s not enough..She gets killed. ** I’m not completely vindicating the girl. Sometimes it’s her fault and that’s why Islam placed a punishment, and that is: she should be whipped.
But there was no law stating that she should be killed?!
This thing has been on my mind for along time now as some of you know and decided: why not open it for discussion?
**I’ll start with a few questions: **
-Why do you think it’s increased?
-Who’s to blame?
-If you ever got to be in such situation (God forbids) would you ever consider killing as your way out?
**-Do you find been killed is better than living with shame? **
"honor killings" happen in all cultures, just that they are focusing on Muslim and Islam these days...there is no increase...pretty sure these type of things r on the decline...i mean when sum1 finds sum1 cheating on them and kills them isnt an honor thing, a pride thing, why isnt it known as honor killing?
Aren't there parts of Pakistan where "Honor Killing" is not punishable by law. Thank God, such things are not a frequent occurence in a well-educated, modernized, first-world, westernized society.
passion killing is not always the same as honor killings which in most cases are planned pre meditated murders versus passions killigs where in the heat of the moment some idiot loses his control and kills someone because of infidelity or something
they are just called first degree murders and are punished and no cultural justification exists. On the other hand among our idiots, honor killings are aceptable as a societal phenomenon.
afridi they are not acceptabe by you and I but among some of these rural areas, they make sense to ppl. trying to justify is different than finding existing precedence in the cultural norms.
Alrite. Makes sense, I still don't consider it a cultural norm, just one of those things in every culture that people don't want to be associated with.
I've noticed it's increased…there's always a story regarding it in newspapers, Magazines, internet or on T.V...A girl killed by a member/s of her family after dishonoring the family's name. And in most cases the girl was a victim…Twice.She was either raped or fooled by a neighbor or a cousin…that's what we hear anyway. **
*And as if it's not enough..She gets killed. *
**I'm not completely vindicating the girl. Sometimes it's her fault and that's why Islam placed a punishment, and that is: she should be whipped.
But there was no law stating that she should be killed?!
This thing has been on my mind for along time now as some of you know and decided: why not open it for discussion?
*I'll start with a few questions: *
-Why do you think it's increased?
All the Jageerdars and waderas show their powers to poor people so they can't raise their voice against them.
-Who's to blame?
Jageerdars and Waderas and some how those poor people because lack of education.
-If you ever got to be in such situation (God forbids) would you ever consider killing as your way out?
I will fight till my last breath or run away with that person and live happily ever after.........
*-Do you find been killed is better than living with shame? *
What shame...pyar kya tu darna kya...jab pyar kya tu darna kay..pyar kya
koi chori nahi....chup chup aahaye yu bharna kya..jab pyar kya tu darna kya.....
I agree its a stereotype against Islam when actually its a cultural thing. They seem to forget mentioning all the honour killings that go on especially in northern ireland where protestants and catholics hate each other...
^Wrong thread hun, this is about honor killings, and when some girls go out and do stuff with guys, there is punishment for both involved. The girls of course don't deserve to be killed, yet they still deserve a punishment for doing what they are doing if of course they believe in Islam and not just being part time muslim.
Fraud, you do get pre meditated killings of partners in the West. These are exactly the same as honour killings. These would still be called crimes of passion though.
I think what people think is that honour killings are some sort of norm in Islamic cultures, but of course they are not. Pakistan for example had around 1,000 last year, and in nearly half of these instances, it was the woman killing the man. Many of these must have been pre-meditated presumably. Usually in honour killings the assailant loses control..Only difference is that it's sometimes family members carry out honour killlings, whereas the crime of passion is carried out by the partner usually (but according to Pak statistics it is usually husband on wife or wife on husband violence that is the cause of the honour killings, there).
crime of passion
n. a defendant’s excuse for committing a crime due to sudden anger or heartbreak, in order to eliminate the element of “premeditation.” This usually arises in murder or attempted murder cases, when a spouse or sweetheart finds his/her “beloved” having sexual intercourse with another and shoots or stabs one or both of the coupled pair. To make this claim the defendant must have acted immediately upon the rise of passion, without the time for contemplation or allowing for “a cooling of the blood.” It is sometimes called the “Law of Texas” since juries in that state are supposedly lenient to cuckolded lovers who wreak their own vengeance. The benefit of eliminating premeditation is to lessen the provable homicide to manslaughter with no death penalty and limited prison terms. An emotionally charged jury may even acquit the impassioned defendant. *
while some honour killings may be passion killings, many are simply premeditated murder.
Honour killing is most often the killing of a female, but in many cases also a male, and sometimes his/her family members, love-interests or other associates , for supposed sexual or marital offenses, typically by his/her own relatives or relatives of a purported romantic interest, with the justification being that the "offense" has brought "dishonour" to the family.
Considering the above definition thanks to wikipedia perhaps you would want to reconsider your answers.
As for the original questions.
I would like to think that they are not on the rise but perhaps there is more awareness and now it gets in to the news more. More channels, newspapers and more media to cover and hence more cases are coming up in the news.