Re: homosexuals and the respect committee
People aren't born gay, they choose to be gay. They say it as a means to justify their choice.
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yeah I don't think their born with it.. and I know for sure that it's completely unislamic
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No... But the reason is because I have grown up with them, and they have taken care of me. However I** could stop showing affection towards them that shows people that I love them. Similarly, a person may not able to stop **being gay, but they can stop acting gay.
You should understand that being homosexual is more than doing a physical act, it means you have the loving feelings for someone of your own sex just like the feelings that a heterosexual couple has between one another. Yet you expect them to not show this love?
Yes, but its still an attribute, not a relationship. You could be born with a bad temper. This is a FEELING, and a trait not a physical act. I know people with bad tempers, and sometimes they get really angry and start swearing and acting violent - whereas they should be controlling themselves. They are still liable to punished because they committed a sin.
I don't care whether they show the love or not, what I am saying that it doesn't matter whether or not it is genetic - it is not allowed by Islam.
That is like telling a married couple not have sex, it's unrealistic and not fair.
Unrealistic?
Many religious groups practice complete abstinance from **any **relationship with the opposite sex.
Others allow marriage, and sex only when trying to have a child. etc etc
It is perfectly realstic for someone to control homosexual desire - obviously I can't speak from experience, but I find it completely possible to control heterosexual desires, and thats basically the same thing - right?
WaSalaam
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So you are asking Homosexuals to take in the beliefs of Islam, which is that homosexuallity is wrong while homosexuals are just asking you to respect them, do you think that's right?
If homosexuals were asking you to be gay they I would say that yes, that is wrong of them to do, but it's actually you who is trying to push your beliefs onto them, I'm not sure if you realize this or not.
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Homosexuals are Gay 
(pun intended)
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No... I never said that.
If homosexuals were asking you to be gay they I would say that yes, that is wrong of them to do, but it's actually you who is trying to push your beliefs onto them, I'm not sure if you realize this or not.
I am not trying to push my beliefs on them at all.
Perhaps you misunderstood me.
I was NOT talking about the issue of non Muslims being gay. I was talking about the issue of why it wouldn't matter in Islam whether homosexuality was wrong or not.
WaSalaam
Re: homosexuals and the respect committee
Listen, you seem like a tolerant person and that's what the whole respect committee is about, you are not spreading any 'gay agenda' by passing out ribbons you are passing out ribbons that support tolerance. Supporting tolerance and equality for a group does not mean you support what that group stands for. I think you are getting the two things mixed up.
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You say it with such surety that it makes one wonder…how have you managed to clear up this fact when the best minds on the planet have not come to a definitive conclusion?
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Many people who cohabit together, or engage in pre-maritial sex are also "friends" of Muslims...that does NOT mean we need to endorse their sexual choice, or not look down on it as a sin. We don't approve of that behavior.
It happens, fine. By essentially forcing this guy to speak in favour of homosexuality, they are in fact being very disrepsectful to his own views, and are intolerant of his moral views on homosexuality.
The hate the sin not the sinner line is condescending, and will win you much more disrespect than respect .
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Not being a choice implies a binary situation...either gay or not gay...however the existence of bi-sexuals tends to have one think it is, deep down, a matter of choice.
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If homosexuals were asking you to be gay they I would say that yes, that is wrong of them to do, but it's actually you who is trying to push your beliefs onto them, I'm not sure if you realize this or not.
Nonsense. He's already not pushing his beliefs on his peers, who are NOT muslim.
He has a set of morals that precludes homosexual relations. They are asking him to speak as if homosexuality is neither sinful nor shameful. That is wrong. If they were asking him to simply state that they exist, and we should live and let live...that's a whole different ball game and much better.
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Picoico, if thats the case would she be barred from asking others to repect Hindis since they do not follow Islamic teachings?
One can call for others to tolerate and respect Muslims and yet they may not believe in it's teachings, can they not?
Spreading the message of tolerance and tolerating those you disagree with shows great personal strenght and character. That's what I think the committ is about, it's not about agreeing with the values of every group they represent.
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I wouldn’t take such “discoveries” as the final stamp to say “they were born that way”. The reason their brains are “responding” differently is due to adapted way NOW. JUST for example, I wasn’t born in English speaking family, all when I was doing “thinking” I would do it in Urdu, but now its all in English 
… similarly they have adapted to be gay now their brain cells are functioning accordingly. Besides, such “discoveries/observations” change over period of time and hence provide different “conclusions”.
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well im definitely not gunna go support them and encourage ppl to
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Just remember that when someone rejects you because your a Muslim, and it will happen, don't whine about it.
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Exactly. There’s no way a person is born with a lisp and born acting like a member of the opposite sex either.
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haha this coming from someone who has a pic of a guy with makeup on .
Alice cooper I'm not sure if you were born in a closet or not but there are strights who have lisps and there are gays who don't.
Tell me do you have to think about who you are attracted too or does it come naturally?
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Tell me do you have to think about who you are attracted too or does it come naturally?
Thats what bestials say too.
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Or people marrying their own cousins.