I was talking to a researcher friend of mine and she mentioned that some studies have shown that homosexuals are born with abnormal genetic framework that causes them to be inclined toward the same sex. It has to do with some chromosomal issue…I forget.
Some of you are in the medical field so could you please share your knowledge in this area because this other person I know thinks it’s just environmental and social factors that make someone that way.
Please avoid getting very emotional and bringing religion here.
These days you can find a medical article to support anything-Remember that always!
The thing with homosexuality is is that...if it were genetic, then those genes should die out because homosexuals cannot reproduce. Thus those genes should have become extinct a long time ago.
In biology, we learn that the "survival of the fittest" of depends on how many offspring they can give their genes too. Homosexuals can't pass there genes to anyone, and thus that provides a large hurdle in any gene theory of homosexuals.
But you could argue that we have down syndrome babies, and they don't reproduce, yet we still have them. Unlike Down syndrome, there are no OBVIOUS chromosomal abnormaliteis in homosexuals-- and if there were they would come across a multitude of other problems, as DS babies do. Chromosomal abnormalities are normally pretty serious, you get lots of problems along with it. Plus in Down Syndrome there is a clear mechanism on why it is chromosome 21, at a certain maternal age that it occurs...With homosexuals that is yet to be elucidated, and or that it even is genetic has limited support.
Some are born with homosexual tendencies due to serious hormonal imbalance - they dont properly develop into one sex, some have a very disturbed childhood, some are just mentally twisted. Variety of reasons.
The human genome is still being mapped and the brain is one of the greatest mysteries that we've yet to unravel.
Many scientists say that there are certain abnormalities which someone may have a genetic "pre-disposition" to and when certain environmental "triggers" occur, then the genetic abnormality blossoms.
This has been presented as a basis for things like autism, parkinsons, Multiple sclerosis and yes...homosexuality.
I tend to agree...that there is some kind of mis-wiring going on and that it can sometimes be overcome but if certain "environmental" effects occur then the defect can blossom.
They don't even have to marry...many homosexual couples get a surrogate or a lesbian gets a sperm donor and carries the child herself. So yes, biologically, their genes do get passed on.
I think I'm abnormal too. I also feel I'm male and female both. I don't know why?
Can anyone explain me why I that way?
Sorry I do not know what you are biologically. Maybe I need to read your posts again.
Not sure if you are talking about being bisexual or just a feeling of being both at the same time.
At early age of adulthood its not uncommon to be having gender identity counfusion. It goes away though. Spending time with opposite sex more often may be helpful.
In very early age (not aplicable here) if a boy is brought up with girls, the boy wants to do things like girls do. That is also alright.
Even identical twins can have very different sexual orientation so how come it can be blamed on genes?
true identical twins can have different lifestyles but does that mean that it is just a matter of preference 100% of the time? or does it mean that sometimes its a choice sometimes it is not.
what if chromosomes make one more likely to become homsexual, and one twin can resist the urges better than the other one.
even some muslim scholars now are agreeing with the concept that maybe some people are predisposed to homosexuality and that is their test, that they have to resist those urges, just like others have to resist the urges to go zooma zoom zoom zoom and a boom boom to the hottie at the office..
Gr8Heera, if you feel like both sometimes, then bhaibehenjaan, aap zara isko thoRa seriously examine kareiN. Maybe it's all in your head or you're watching too many Begum Nawazish shows. Or perhaps there is a hormonal imbalance.
Yes, I guess most of life is about going against urges and temptations...working against the shaitaan of the nafs.
no professional scientist in the last 40 years has even claimed to have found any evidence that queerness is always genetic in all cases. Even the highly publicized identical twin studies by Michael Bailey and Richard Pillard, which were so often touted as evidence for a "gay gene," never found that any more than 52% of the identical twins of queer people were queer. The other 48% of identical twins of queer men were not queer. This leaves at least 48% of the queer community unaccounted for by genetic theories. Is it so hard to imagine that a few of those 48% might want to lay claim to having made a choice?
It's also very possible to argue (although certainly not all queer by choice people would argue this) that even the 52% of identical twins of queer people who were also queer themselves can be accounted for by entirely nonbiological causes. Identical twins are exposed to extremely similar social environments and besides, in a world where queerness is so widely believed to be genetic, if your identical twin comes out to you as queer then that's got to drastically increase your likelihood of intensely questioning your sexual preference, and which in turn must surely increase the likelihood of discovering same-sex attractions which you might never have discovered if your identical twin hadn't caused you to look for them.
If a person freely chooses to have no children, that is not a defect and no one should attempt to "cure" the person of their decision. But if a person is biologically incapable of having children, then it's perfectly understandable that scientists would try to cure them of it. The same goes for queerness. If a person is born biologically incapable of being attracted to the opposite sex, it's virtually impossible to deny that in evolutionary terms this is a defect. But if a person freely chooses to love the same sex, then this choice should only be judged on the basis of whether it makes themself and the one they love happy. When we tell the world that people choose to be queer, we are saying that queer people aren't afraid to have their choices judged on this basis. they know that we and our lovers are happy in our love.
Perhaps the most important contribution of queer by choice people to the fight against homophobia is that when they say that they chose to be queer, they force people to realize that it's possible to want to be queer. For too long homophobes have painted homosexuals as one-sided creatures who experience nothing but nonstop pain. To paint them this way is to paint them as something less than full and well-rounded human beings, and they paint them this way specifically to scare others into repressing their own potential queerness. The reality is that there's much to enjoy about being a member of the queer community and those who are queer by choice want homophobes to realize and acknowledge that.
I think it is horrible to make homosexuals feel like they were born a specific way and "couldn't help" being the way they are. no one questions heterosexuals and asks them why are you the way you are. i think that one can be queer (homosexual) by choice and that is more liberating than saying "i was born this way" there is no one genetic component to homosexuality.
I'd like to quote from Abdal Hakim Murad aka T J Winter's article here, I quoted it before in another thread about homosexuality, basic point is that even if it is genetic still people can control it:
"But what is increasingly suggested by recent research is that homosexual tendencies are not always acquired, and that some individuals are born with them as an identifiable irregularity in the chromosomes. The implications of this for moral theology are clear: given the Quran's insistence that human beings are responsible only for actions they have voluntarily acquired, homosexuality as an innate disposition cannot be a sin.
It does not follow from this, of course, that acting in accordance with such a tendency is justifiable. Similar research has indicated that many human tendencies, including forms of criminal behaviour, are also on occasion traceable to genetic disorders; and yet nobody would conclude that the behaviour was therefore legitimate. Instead, we are learning that just as God has given people differing physical and intellectual gifts, He tests some of us by implanting moral tendencies which we must struggle to overcome as part of our self-reform and discipline. A mental patient with an obsessive desire to set fire to houses has been given a particular hurdle to overcome. A man or woman with strong homosexual urges faces the same challenge"
the whole concept of homosexuality is plain disgusting. It cannot be because of how they're made but rather how they're brought up. Chances of guys going to schools/colleges just for guys or people who spend most of their lives in jails ( 10+ years ) have higher chances of being gay than say people who see the opposite gender often.
not dwelling too much into the topic, but correcting two erroneous posts here, to make sure that we all know what we are talking about:
These days you can find a medical article to support anything-Remember that always!
The thing with homosexuality is is that...if it were genetic, then those genes should die out because homosexuals cannot reproduce. Thus those genes should have become extinct a long time ago.
In biology, we learn that the "survival of the fittest" of depends on how many offspring they can give their genes too. Homosexuals can't pass there genes to anyone, and thus that provides a large hurdle in any gene theory of homosexuals.
But you could argue that we have down syndrome babies, and they don't reproduce, yet we still have them. Unlike Down syndrome, there are no OBVIOUS chromosomal abnormaliteis in homosexuals-- and if there were they would come across a multitude of other problems, as DS babies do. Chromosomal abnormalities are normally pretty serious, you get lots of problems along with it. Plus in Down Syndrome there is a clear mechanism on why it is chromosome 21, at a certain maternal age that it occurs...With homosexuals that is yet to be elucidated, and or that it even is genetic has limited support.
there are numerous genetic possibilities that would allow for homosexuality. I will only give one example of this: It might be possible that the homosexuality gene only works in a recessive way. Persons who are heterozygous for that gene, remain heterosexual and reproduce. Only when two heterozygous people for that gene, get children 1 in 4 of the children can be recessive and will thus develop homosexuality. This way that gene need NOT become extinct because it is being transmitted through the 'normal reproducing' heterozygotes.
Even identical twins can have very different sexual orientation so how come it can be blamed on genes?
Even identifcal twins do not have the same genes for 100%. One example is the mitochondrial DNA which harbours around 1000 genes, and is inherited only through the mother and which can be different between identical twins...
not dwelling too much into the topic, but correcting two erroneous posts here, to make sure that we all know what we are talking about:
there are numerous genetic possibilities that would allow for homosexuality. I will only give one example of this: It might be possible that the homosexuality gene only works in a recessive way. Persons who are heterozygous for that gene, remain heterosexual and reproduce. Only when two heterozygous people for that gene, get children 1 in 4 of the children can be recessive and will thus develop homosexuality. This way that gene need NOT become extinct because it is being transmitted through the ‘normal reproducing’ heterozygotes.
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I agree, but those recessive genes exist because the 1 in 4 can pass on their gene. Sickle cell exists because the people with the recessive genes had an heterozygote advantage against malaria, lived, reproduced, and passed it down, so the gene presists, because heterozygotes had an advantage then those homozygotes without the recessive gene.
but homosexuals cannot reproduce (until now),nor do heterozygotes have an advantage and people with recessive genes cannot reproduce, so how did they come about? That mutation should have died out a long time according to Darwin’s Natural Selection.