Homosexuality and punishment of Qaum-e-Lut

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Everything is polar in the universe…Balanced…

Negative, positive, male, female, dark, light, everything has a polarity, even atoms…

Let us for now put aside religion, morality, ethics and logic and just study homosexuality as an ideal…To me it is just wrong…

Religion tells us, it is not just wrong, but downright awry and strictly prohibited by Allah :swt:…A crime, punishable by death if witnessed by 4 people…

What is the sense of announcing and asserting your sexuality if it’s so natural as claimed? Why don’t we have any Heterosexual Pride Day Parades?

Homosexuality to me is a very twisted diversion to natural Laws…It is an averse and distorted form of reality, constantly reasserted through Parades and displays of lewd behaviour…

You can be my best friend and be gay, as long as I don’t know about it…Then we part ways…

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homosexual parades are about increasing public awareness on homosexuality, much like the muslim awareness week and stuff MSAs have on campuses. and this is required because current social norms tend to pretend homosexuals dont exist.

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What is the sense of announcing and asserting your sexuality if it's so natural as claimed?
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Same could be asked to those who believe they have to wear their religion on their sleeve (or chin) and make sure everyone knows their religious affiliation.

Are u like what ur name??
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Is homosexuality a religion?

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its a part of your identity. so is religion to varying degrees.

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You should expect homosexuality to be promoted in western world because this behaviour is totally acceptable to them the society says anything goes do what you want to satisfy your procreational instinct. Where even if i person goes to his parents and says mom i am a poof the parents will say fine no problem.

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ak47 -

acceptable in western society - no or it would be legal

tolerated in western society - yes because as humans, they deserve the right to live, homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone

Tu ...
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As humans they deserve to live correct but there behaviour is unnaceptable and if they are caught doing there deeds and they live in an islamic state they will know what the consequences are very clear cut its a crime and the punishments are well known.

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minah pa - that's true. homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone if its done just between two people.

But when you've got a man cheating on his wife with another man, its still adultery - still punishment-worthy.

When you've got a person molesting a child of the same sex (still classifed as homosexual in nature) - still punishment-worthy.

When you've got a person having consentual sex with the same gender except that one partner is underage - still punishment-worthy.

So, homosexuality is liable to hurt people, just like heterosexuality is.

Now, the Quranic punishment is unclear, because the Quam of Lut were practicing homosexuality majority-wise. So it was more of a widespread problem, rather than just a few doing it. Furthermore, the punishment is delievered by God. God didn't ask the Prophet of that era/place to give the punishment.

So that reserves for an interpretation that says homosexuality is bad, but its up to God to punish one for it. So I think many countries are wrong when they go for state-punishments for homosexuality.

From what I understand, the only allowance made to a concerned citizen regarding the occurrence of homosexuality, is that the concerned citizen can counsel the couple.

And if we want to talk about it from a non-religious point of view, many homosexuals have reverted to a heterosexual lifestyle. That's another piece of evidence that tells me homosexuality is not something that is "natural".

The only natural kind of homosexuality I can see that is under debate, are people who have a female genotype, but then they are outwardly male or vice versa. With those people, there is confusion as to which gender they should adopt and which gender they should form sexual relations with.

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Anyone notice how Faisal set the fire and quickly disappeared....faisal tum baaz aa jao :)

Last person to answer this post wins!!!!
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it was not fire; it was a doubt set in the minds here that God is wrong and Science is right..

now debate that.

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Its not that I am ignoring this thread, though I do believe that many people went into unintended directions by discussing punishments that should be metted out to homosexuals by people/governments. That was really not the point of this thread.

Anyway, its easy to see that most people are willing to completely discount any research that claims that homosexuality may just be part of someone's genes. Its probably easier, quicker and the right answer.

In other words, any scientific research/theory that suggests that homosexuals are attracted to people of same gender because their own genetic make-up (inherent genes) is programmed that way, is disputed as incorrect by most adherents to Islam/Judaism/Christianity etc. This is because its a difficult argument that God will punish someone for conduct that are beyond their own control. For example, God is not likely to punish people who are born with eyesight in only one eye or have inherent diabetes. They are God's creation and it is unfair to assume that they will be punished for something that they are born with.

For those who still wish to give credence to scientific research, there is another angle to consider. Perhaps this is another case, where someone may be born with a few twisted genes (be it homosexuality, be it murderous, be it an addiction of crack cocain), but only if that person acts upon those impulses and engages in unlawful conduct (homosexuality, murder, drugs, in our examples) then God will punish them. Its the same argument that all people have desire for sex (heterosexual). But only if you engage in promiscous sex with someone other than your lawfully wedded spouse, you may/will be punished by God. Genes for homosexuality and punishment for homosexuals is the same. The only downside of this argument is that arguably homosexuals are not attracted towards people of opposite sex, so either they live a forced life of straight sex or be punished by God.

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The only downside of this argument is that arguably homosexuals are not attracted towards people of opposite sex, so either they live a forced life of straight sex or be punished by God.

Ahaan faisal bhai. nods

got juthA?
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This by far is the most ridiculous analogy, Faisal bhai :smiley:

are you saying if someone is not born with diseases and get those in life time, he/she ought to be punished by God but if the person was BORN with such disabilities is not to get the punishment.

Since when did God start punishing people on getting sick or catching diseases? LOL

got juthA?
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Actually, people don’t walk around in the buff at MSA events…homosexual parades are not about culture, but sexuality…no scratch that…sex. I live in Toronto, so I’ve been an unwitting victim of such a parade.

No one pretends that homosexuals don’t exist…you can’t prohibit behavior you don’t recognize. Rather, we refust to let an abnormal sex act (statistically speaking, of course) be allowed to define a sub culture or a “people” in the cultural sense.

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One can’t on the one hand claim (as homosexuals oft do) that a person’s sexuality is their own business and then flaunt it (in rather pornographic ways) in public.

What you do in your bedroom is betwene you, the person you are with and God. Are you prepared to leave it at that?

The real question here, as with many other issues, is the ownership of the Public space and who gets to set the limits.

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i am not sure i understand what you mean when you say you have been the victim of such a parade. please elaborate.

homosexuality is not recognized. what is recognized is a distorted image of it. widely believed is that it is unnatural behavior and that it is a choice people make. also believed is that it is a miniscule minority of the population who are gay, when thats not the case. awareness is what the parades target.

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Occam’s razor? Maybe, maybe not. Question is: what difference does it make? Weather it is a psychological or physiological phenomena is not the point. The objection to it is sociological anyway.

BTW. pedophilia may also be genetic. So may be other behaviors, like stalking, serial kiling, etc…does it legitimize said acts? The moral consequence of homosexuality being genetic or not is not really changed.

There is no behavior manifest in those illnesses. At best, then, Homosexuality is a broken human body…akin to mental retardation. HARDLY the basis of an identity, or the characteristics of a “people”. A society which practices and takes lite things like male rape (which is in fact what the story of Lot is about), or bestiality, etc. (and let’s not pretend that this is STRICTLY a matter of genetics), etc. is what is getting punished.

So if it is genetic, then our attitudes need to change and we need to show compassion…but not allow the behavior as it is forbidden.

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I happened to be in the neighbourhood…and it was much too difficult to get around for my liking.

Sure, there may be diversity. But as far as the parade was concerned…things were looking quite homogeneous to me. No pun intended. In any case, the way peopled behaved there was definitely a choice…certainly walking around naked or flaunting one’s sexuality can’t be excused through genetics.

What % would you say is homosexual? Awareness or propoganda? There is a political agenda at work here, after all…

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if you are equating homosexuality with mental retardation, paedophilia, psychopaths, you need to attend quite a few more gay pride events pal.

as far as flaunting goes, look around. are you saying homosexuals are doing something in a parade heterosexuals dont do day in and day out?