holy scriptures or books of science

What do you think about this trend that has emerged from last 3-4 decades. i.e. decoding religious books to show that they are talking about proven scientific theories or they contain certain pattern (the famous ‘code 19’ pattern of Quran for instance).

I never beleived in patterns for sure. Statistically speaking, I can pickup your local white pages, latest issue of khawateen digest or first book of Harry Potter and can figure out a pattern with in them, but it wont make the books divine in nature.

I like to know what you think about this topic

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This trend must have been started by someone whose imaan was weak so he was looking reassurance, or by someone who wanted to disprove the Quran altogether, or by someone who was trying to convince people that the book is indeed divine.

Ideally, your imaan should be so strong that you need not ask any questions. But I know mine wasn't. Whose is in the present day and age? I asked many questions and it was amazing to read through all about the science in the Quran. So this research, if you may, has caused no harm. It is simply new knowledge which Allah swt Himself asked us to seek.

I don't get too excited about the pattern stuff though..

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I am not just talking about the Quran BBq. There are people who are trying to use bible as the book of prophecies or trying to find support of DNA's and Nuclear energy in Bible. Same with the books of hindu religion.

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I say let them. What harm can it do.

Well apart from the possibility that these people can get so obsessed with proving/disproving certain scriptures that they neglect the actual teachings of the book. Their purpose in life deviates from living by their holy book to looking for evidence to prove/disprove a bunch of verses. They forget to look at the bigger picture when they get too involved in the finer details.

Another disadvantage may be that all of this research into the authenticity of the holy books can result in conflict between groups.

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holy books are just that. not research journals. we need not adhere to such methods to prove the existence of God.

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words of wisdom from philosophy ..

qiyamat qareeb hai bhaa'iyon.

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Research creates new knowledge. I'm all for it, be it investigation of holy books or journal articles.

No, we don't need science to tell us God exists but no harm in anyone studying a holy book in great detail in the light of modern science.

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^ Totally agree, besides the Koran and other sacred texts have often backed up science and helped forward the very theories we take for granted.

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as my mathematician pal would say, give me N points and i'll give you infinite solutions of smooth curves that pass through them all..

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I don't believe in that 19 thing for sure. Otherwise, I do believe that the Quran has mention of things that were scientifically proven much after its revelation.Although with all these code things, I think you mean that this word appears x times and that word appears y times and now science has proven that there is a ratio of x:y type things. I just take these with a grain of salt, especially since I first heard about it through mass forwarded emails.

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I am also talking about the decoding of bible so different chapters of old testament in hebrew script would predict different important events of future.

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Codes are mathematical. If there is a claim for a code in a book and the claimant also claims to know the code - then the falsification test would be to accurately predict the next few events that result in the code. Rather to teach the code to five other people and each of them can accurately predict the next few events independently of one another.

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I've vaguely heard of something like that. I saw it on Unsolved Mysteries, though I believe it was about the Torah and not the bible. I don't really know much about it, but I do remember the skeptic in that case that if you're saying an event might or might not happen, that not a prediction at all.