Holocaust Denial Undermines Islam

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:rotfl:

See when you post something as ridiculous as that, is it any wonder why the world doesn’t take you people seriously

but thats ok, deep dreaming in your fantasy world

the world is passing you by

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then why do people like you clamour on rafts to get to white european countries and stand in line for days to get visas or forge documents to get into these countries?

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See the problem with people like you is that you get an orgasm each time you find something against the Jewish people and their history

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Holocuast happend or not, it is a different story, if it had happend, then yes it happend and no denial can change it and if not then sooner or later the truth will prevail.

But Islam do promise a Holocuast of Jews, when each and every jew will be killed and no one on the planet will have mercy on them.

I often wondered why the people/ nations suffer from these kind of "holocuast", may it be muslims in the todays world, Jews in forties, or Innocent Japanese of Heroshima and Nagasaki. Why this happens to them?

it happens as a reaction of the action of people/nations. Hews were in money business those days they use to live on interest and like any interest-eater, they use to squeeze every drop of blood. The ange was in the society, the poor farmer and the rich industrialist were suffering from their evil-doings. Hence the moment the war broke Jews were pointed out and got killed. The Jew Nation paid the price of their sins...

Now Muslims are the same, they are following foot-marks of jews and in result muslims are the only people on the planet who are hated more than a jew. They kill a muslim and celebrate it.. the reason is action of Muslims.. the moment the things get straight in life of nations, the holocaust seems to be impossible...

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The Holocaust did happen. I really don't understand why you are questioning this event. Its like saying were Hiroshima and Nagasaki were struck by Atomic Weapons? Why don't you doubt that?

It does no such thing. Islam is a religion of peace and not of death.

That is utter nonsense.

The majority of Jews were middle class people like most of us. They got blamed for all the ills of Europe because they were east scapegoats.

Actually Muslims should follow the Jews more closely. Jews educate their kids and work hard while most of us sit around and invent conspiracy theories about how the Holocaust did not happen, how the Jews control America, and why the Taliban are the future of mankind.

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Iam not doubting the event, It is jews who had made the event doubtfull, if they are so sure that this event did took place then why don't they open it for discussion, why there are laws which prohibt talking/researching/debating on this issue?
No one can hide truth for long, and thats what i said, sooner or later the truth about this holocaust will prevail, Iranians did gave it a try, tommorrow somebody else will try and let see what comes out of that...

Indeed it is, Islam does preach tolerance and peace, but only for those who offer the same, it is again, every action have a reaction, a eye for an eye is law of nature, law of Islam, jews will sow what they are reaping, one need not to be scholar to find it out..

Ya and muslims are terrorists and with there least contribution in science and technology and with their limited knowledge of flying jets, they can drive a latest airplane in the twin towers...

If we ever get out of the web of jewish we will still not follow them, we have certain principals of Socio-Economics and Politics, which BTW are opposite to the current World economics, so it is highly unlikely that we the muslims will be able to do something good with our selves.

Last not least, Muslims do tend to work in positive direction and do have some limited accomplishment, i do believe that if USA leaves Muslims ( specially Pakistan) on its own, then we can be something in future.. otherwise all we can do is sub-divide the already divided nation.

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Wow, this post almost makes Lajawab's posts look laudable in comparison.

If this is the "Muslim" point of view then please don't ever look for any sympathy or understanding at the plight of Muslims by Jewish hands. It sounds as if Jews need to be making a pre-emptive strike to save their own lives. This pov is justification for anything Israel is doing.

Any websites you can point us to for more information on this? You might want to check with Lajawab, he seems to have access to the most hateful and heinous websites on the inernet.

me iz sick...
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I can only :smack: at the immaturity of the posts here. When will some of our fellow Muslims accept that the Holocaust was as real as every other WWII event? Denying it makes us look stupid and hateful. We can condemn Zionist aggression on Arabs without resorting to such stupid tactics. Yes, denying holocaust pissess off Jews but who gains when you make yourself the joker just to anger others?

The Islam I know does not teach murder of Jews or even hatred of them.

me iz sick...
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let me ask a question there is no denying that jews along with most other eastern european people [inc. germans btw] suffered horribly in WW2 ,
nazis and communists leaders are mainly responsible for this

but do u guys really believe that there is no exaggeration in the version of holocaust told to us today ? if its so perfect why isnt debate on it allowed ?
why are authors imprisoned when they write books about it? why dont any musicians and govt. stand up to protect their rights? why cant holocaust be treated like any other tragedy like ukranian or armenian massacre or starvation of germans AFTER WW1 ?

you all assume that anyone who questions holocaust is a jew hating racist , "islamo-fascist" ....thats a easy way to discredit your opponents ...but its not very convincing

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I disagree , they didnt provoke it but their leaders sure as hell exploited it not just today but even right after ww2
jews backed germany wholeheartedly in ww1 , and jews were also present in the italian fascsist and russian communist parties [some facts they conveniently overlook today]
for the nazis they became a convenient scape goat after the great depression, thats when the jews started thinking of themselves as jews first and not germans.And they also suffered under the "liberating " red army again a fact forgotten in holocaust remembrences]

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The Laws were not made by the Jews.

Don't you even know the basics of History?

The Laws were passed in Europe which were called the Anti-Nazi Laws. They were passed in 1947 so that it will stop Nazi officials from re-forming and among them was a provision of denying the holocaust. Germany, France, Austria and Poland passed those laws so that Nazis won't re-group. That is why most ex-Nazis fled to Argentina and South America.

The Holocaust is the most documented event in History. The Germans are the most efficient people on this earth. They kept the record of every single person they killed in the Death Camps, from where they were from, what kinds of shoes they wore, etc.

An Eye for an Eye is not a part of Islam. I really don't know where people like you get your info from

Abu Nidal and his men in the 1970's hijacked 4 planes from 4 different cities in Europe, flew them to Jordan where he blew them up. Don't give me utter nonsensical remarks like that. Yes Muslims know how to fly a plane, but do they know how to make one?

That is a Cop out and you know it

USA did leave Pakistan alone and the end result was Bangladesh

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Because Europe passed Anti-Nazi Laws in 1947 which included denying the holocaust to prevent the Nazis from re-grouping and thus most of them fled to South America and North America and Australia.

Europe did not want to experience the kind of hell it experienced during World War II.

Because a large number of survivors are still alive. And it was an industrial mass murder. Unlike Stalin starving the Ukranians, or Turks killing the Armenians. The Germans created death camps where they incinerated the Jews. Nothing like this has ever been done to another group of people.

That is why it is different.

But the sole reason for questioning the Holocaust is because you believe a Jew lies, exaggerates for his own personal benefit and thus this event is fake and never happened.

That is why you guys leach onto Holocaust deniers like its Galellio being imprisoned for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun.

The Holocaust did happen, it is the most documented event in History.

50 years from now, someone will come and suggest that 9/11 never happened and those buildings were Computer Generated Images, and guess what someone will believe that too

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anti-teutonic laws ...i say

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Europe did not want to experience the kind of hell it experienced during World War II
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the communists were controlling half the continent classic e.g of pot calling the kettle black.and colonial britain and ffrench were brutally crushing revolts of people in their colonies in asia or africa
at the same time

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Because a large number of survivors are still alive. And it was an industrial mass murder. Unlike Stalin starving the Ukranians, or Turks killing the Armenians. The Germans created death camps where they incinerated the Jews. Nothing like this has ever been done to another group of people.

That is why it is different.

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stalin created death camps in siberia as well where many more people died
thats in addition to the ukranian genocide...camps were also kept by turks and by british as early as boer wars

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But the sole reason for questioning the Holocaust is because you believe a Jew lies, exaggerates for his own personal benefit and thus this event is fake and never happened.

That is why you guys leach onto Holocaust deniers like its Galellio being imprisoned for saying the Earth revolves around the Sun.

The Holocaust did happen, it is the most documented event in History

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you have only showed ur partisanship here. you like to think all critics of holocaust industry are closet antisemites as u guys cant handle objective criticism.I never denied that jews suffered greatly under nazis and communists . Nor do i blame isreal for everything thats wrong in the middleeast either [arab tyrants shud take the most blame here] .
but their suffering is not unique nor are they more worthy of being remembered than other victims

Most remembered does not make it "most documented" event in history ...if thats true then jesus [pbuh] is certainly the son of God as arguably most books are written on proving this theory
goebbels theory was to repeat lies so many times that it sounds like facts ...looks like he had a wider audience than he anticipated

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Oh no I don’t, only u have sense of history and everyone else who have difference of opinion do not know anything about anything.

anyway this is from the speech of Adlof Hitler on 30 Jan. 1939, where he did accuse Jews…
"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe."
Final Solution - Wikipedia
The above quote is enough to support my earlier comment that Jews were holding financial institutions, and sucking the blood of common European at that time.

Excellent! if this is the case then can you please guide me to th website where they have this record!!!

Iam sorry, but Quran is saying that… now if Quran have different opinion then should u deny that as well…

u seem to have knowledge about the airplanes and technoloy etc etc, can u please tell me which plane were used in 9/11 and how many of them are in use by muslims countries? or this question is a utter non-sense to u…

no i don’t, how can i know anything, please enlight me

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please comeout of mental slavery of USA, USA was the biggest of FRIEND of Pakistan at that time, and promised Pakistan to help in East by sending its Navy… now don’t say that aid was for India and not for Pakistan…

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We Muslims and Jews have so many similarities but we are still so paranoid and alien to each other.

I'm disappointed to read some responses of my fellow muslims.

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Hareem, you are to be commended for tackling such an unpopular issue. Trying to promote better understanding and relations between different religions is definitely a higher cause. :k:

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I don't understand why some Pakis support the falistinis as if they are the ones who feed them....Stop licking fallistinis b**** and wake up to reality. They don't give a rats a$$ abt the Pakis, so why support them to make new enemies. There are many arab countries which hate them to death, Ask a Kuwaiti or just tell them that you are from Palestine and they kik your @$$. It is evident that Pakistan gets crap loads of aids from the US and Saudi which again are kind off anti-palestine, so think again about who is feeding you before you open your mouth against a country/religion/race.

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Its the Pakistani Government that gets the aid not the common Pakistanis.

Anyway, please stick to the topic of this thread, this thread is not about Falastinis or Pakistanis or Americans, you are welcomed to comment on the article, otherwise you can start another thread with the title "why Pakistanis support Palestinians".

Thank You

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^^^you are being too cute over here.....but needless to say, who elects the Govt.....and who spends on the infrastructure and who uses the same.

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Thanks brother for the comment.
Jews had gone through their bad days and now Muslims are having their bad days though our bad days are much longer but we shouldn't give up hope, inshaAllah our bad days will be over soon.

Shaykh Hamza did talk about what you pointed out above,
"The numbers and details of such events may be legitimate areas of research and inquiry for scholars, but questioning whether the events took place at all undermines the epistemological basis of our collective knowledge. "