Hitler was Not a Monster

Omer’s Vision

Readers will be surprised that why I have quoted Hitler. We have adopted a lazy habbit for blindingly believing the media and not for investigation. Quran instructs us to investigate. Hitler did wrong things but Hitler thought rightly. If we change the words racism from his writings and speeches to the supremacy of Islam. Hitler’s 90% views are in agreement to Islam. Of course Islam, discourages to eliminate a specific race but if we see the philosophy in his thought and if we want to take positive things he said and thought then we will agree that indeed he was right.

Quotes of Prophet Muhammad and Ali bin Ali Talib.

“Wisdom is the right of a Pious Muslim”.

“A word of wisdom creates unrest in the heart of a non muslim. He can’t hide it, so grab it where ever you find it.”

Some passages from My Struggle which show Hitler as a philosopher rather than to be a mere executioner.

My Struggle

Yellow Journalism and Biased Media:
Let me explain: man must not fall into error of thinking that he was ever meant to become lord and master of Nature. A lopsided education has helped to encourage that illusion. Man must realize that a fundamental law of necessity reigns through out the whole realm of Nature and that his existence is subject to the law of eternal struggle and strife. He will then feel that there cannot be a separate law for mankind in a world in which planets and suns follow their orbits, where moons and planets trace their destined paths, where the strong are always the masters of the weak and where those subject to such laws must obey them or be destroyed. Man must also submit to the eternal principles of this supreme wisdom. He may try to understand them but he can never free himself from their sway.

It is just for intellectual demimonde that the Jew writes those papers which he calls his “intellectual” Press. For them the Frankfurter Zeitung and Berliner Tageblatt are written, the tone being adapted to them, and it is over these people that such papers have an influence. “While studiously avoiding all forms of expression that might strike the reader as crude, the poison is injected from other vials into hearts of the clientele. The effervescent tone and the fine phraseology lug the readers into believing that a love for knowledge and moral principle is the sole driving force that determines the policy of such papers, where as in reality these features represent a cunning away of disarming any opposition that might be directed against the Jews and their Press.” They make such parade of respectability that the imbecile readers are all the more ready to believe that the excesses which other papers indulge in are only of a mild nature and not such as to warrant legal action being taken against them. “Indeed such action might trespass on the freedom of the Press, that expression being a euphemism under which such papers escape legal punishment for deceiving the public and poisoning the public mind. Hence the authorities are very slow indeed to take any steps against these journalistic bandits for fear of immediately alienating the sympathy of the so called respectable Press”. A fear that is only too well founded, for the moment any attempt is made to proceed against any member of the gutter press all the others rush to its assistance at once, “not indeed to support its policy but simply and solely to defend the principle of freedom of the Press and liberty of public opinion”. This outcry will succeed in cowering the most stalwart; for it comes from the mouth of what is called decent journalism……………………………….

Hitler on Marriage

This Judaizing of our spiritual life and mammonizing of our natural instinct for procreation will sooner or later work havoc with our whole posterity. For instead of strong, healthy children, blessed with natural feelings, we shall see miserable specimens of humanity resulting from economic calculation. For economic considerations are becoming more and more the foundations of marriage and the sole preliminary condition of it. And love looks for an outlet elsewhere.

Here, as else where, one may defy Nature for a certain period of time; but sooner or later she will take her inexorable revenge. And when man realizes this truth it is often too late. Our own nobility furnishes an example of the devastating consequences that follow from a persistent refusal to recognize the primary conditions necessary for normal wedlock. 

Here we are openly brought face to face with the results of those reproductive habits which on the one hand are determined by social pressure and, on the other , by financial considerations. The one leads to inherited debility and the other to adulteration of the blood strain; for all the Jewish daughters of the department store proprietors are looked upon as eligible mates to co operate to propagating His Lordship’s stock. And the stock certainly looks it. All this leads to absolute degeneration. Nowadays our bourgeois are making efforts to follow in the same path. They will come to the same journey’s end. 

These unpleasant truths are hastily and non chalantly brushed aside, as if by so doing the real state of affairs could also be abolished. But no. It cannot be denied that the population of our great towns and cities is tending more and more to avail fo prostitution in the exercise of its amorous insitincts and is thus becoming more and more contaminated by the scourge of venereal disease. On the one hand, the visible effects of this mass infection can be observed in our insane asylums and, on the other hand, alas! Among the children at home. These are the doleful and tragic witnesses to the steadily increasing scourge that is poisoning our sexual life. Their sufferings are the visible results of parental vice. 

There are many ways of becoming resigned to this unpleasant and terrible fact. Many people go about seeing nothing or, to be more correct, not wanting to see anything. This is by far the simplest and a cheapest attitude to adopt. Others cover themselves in the sacred mantle of prudery, as ridiculous as it is false. They describe the whole condition of affairs as sinful and are profoundly indignant when brought face to face with a victim. ………………………………….

Only after such preparatory measures – if necessary spread over a period fo many years – will public attention and public resolution be fully aroused, and only then can serous and definite measures be undertaken without running the risk of not being fully understood or of being suddenly faced with a slackening of the public will. It must be made clear to all that a serous fight against this scourge calls for vast sacrifices and an enormous amount of work. 

“To wage a war against syphills means fighting against prostitution, against prejudice, against old established customs, against current fashion, public opinion, and , last but not least, against false prudery in certain circles. 

The first preliminary condition to be fulfilled before the State can claim a moral right to fight against all these things is that the young generation should be afforded facilities for contracting early marriages. Late marriages have the sanction of a custom which , from whatever angle we knew it, is and will remain a disgrace to humanity.  Prostitution is a disgrace to humanity and cannot be removed simply by charitable or academic methods. Its restriction and final extermination presupposes the removal of a whole series of contributory circumstances. The first remedy must always be to establish such conditions as will maek early marriages possible, especially for young men – for women are, after all, only passive subjects in this matter”. 

An illustration of the extent to which people have so often been led astray nowadays is afforded by the fact that not infrequently one hears mothers in so called better circles openly expressing their satisfaction at having found as a husband for their daughter a man who has already sown his wild oats, etc. As there is usually so little shortage in men of this type, the poor girl finds no difficulty in getting a mate of this description , and  the children of this marriage are a visible result of such supposedly sensible unions. 

“When one realizes, apart from this, that every possible effort is being made to hinder the process of procreation and that Nature is being willfully cheated of her rights, there remains really only one question. Why is such an institution as marriage still in existence, and what are its functions? Is it really nothing better than prostitution? Does our duty to posterity no longer play any part? Or do people not realize the nature of the curse they are inflicting on themselves and their offspring by such criminally foolish neglect of one of the primary laws of Nature? This is how civilized nations degenerate and gradually perish.”

“Marriage is not an end in itself but must serve the greater end, which is that of increasing and maintaining the human species and the race. This is its only meaning and purpose. This being admitted, then it is clear that the institution of marriage must be judged by the manner in which its allotted function is fulfilled. There fore early marriages should be the rule, because thus the young couple will still have that pristine force which is the fountain head of a healthy posterity with unimpaired powers of resistance. Of course early marriages cannot be made the rule unless a whole series of social measures are first undertaken without which early marriages cannot be even thought of. In other words, a solution of this question, which seems a small problem in itself, cannot be brought about without adopting radical measures to alter the social background”. The importance of such measures ought to be studied and properly estimated, especially at  time when the so called social Republic has shown itself unable to solve the housing problem and thus has made it impossible for innumerable couples to get married. That sort of policy prepares the way for the further advance of prostitution.

Another reason why early marriages are impossible is our nonsensical method of regulating the scale of salaries, which pays far too little attention to the problem of family support. Prostitution, therefore, can only be really seriously tackled, if by means of a radical social reform, early marriage is made easier than hitherto. This is the first preliminary necessity for the solution of this problem.

Secondly, a whole series of false notions must be eradicated from our system of bringing up and educating children things which hitherto no one seems to have worried about. In our present  educational system a balance will have to be established, first and foremost, between mental instruction and physical training.

“Our education entirely looses this fact that a healthy mind only exist in a healthy body………………………….”.

My Observations:

One day I observed that why Islam has emphasized on early marriages. I saw the problems of my society. I examined the situation. In a college, I heard this thing as a joke from some one. “ English are advanced because they work five days a week and have sex on the weekends. Pakistanis don’t have sex on weekends but young men pursue young women and in this process waste their time. Neither do they have sex nor they could concentrate on work”.

I laughed this joke out. But later on I pondered and agreed to this problem. Then I thought, that there should be early marriages as it is legal but the responsibility of the government is to provide reasonable jobs to the youth. The problem which most of the youth here is facing including me is a good job in order to settle down.

Secondly I thought , that we have become too lazy and are living a luxurious life. If we concentrate on simple living and restrict our selves to basic needs, we can prevent ourselves from not having this natural enjoyment and the gift of this beautiful relationship, God has given to us. A man and woman are each others physical and spiritual parts. They are incomplete without each other and can’t survive psychologically and physically without each other.

Marriage is an institution which makes better and happy human beings for attaining the ultimate goal to lead one’s life according to Islam and to spread its message. Life shouldn’t be made so materialistic and so difficult so that one strives one’s whole life to achieve the goal of good financial position in order to marry and have relationship in a halal manner. This criteria will only discourage the halal thing and will force young people to involve in haram activities, thus destroying the society and the true concept of humanity, society, culture and peace. It will create only fitnah and nothing else. It will destroy the very soul of human cause. Marriage is not an end in itself. Marriage is not a mission. It is a tool , a relationship, a flower which can provide a holy pious scent which enstrenghtens the moral bond of a human with another human in order to attain fulfillment and to tame the animal in us. In order to achieve a greater goal and save our society from disastrous consequences of prostitution. Early marriage creates stability in the society and discourages evil. It increases the level of concentration by stopping the wandering of attention of young ones to non mehrams. 

Problem of the West:

They have made life so easy, and so material oriented that they have indeed made life so hard. People are busy in attaining luxuries. Do late marriages for the same purpose. Indulge in sexual corruption to satisfy their young hunger. Destroying the concept of marriage. Many of them think that if we could have sex in youth without commitment or wedlock, why can’t we now? Thus a whole cycle of degradation of humanity, spiritual peace and social decay has been activated since the industrialization. In the notion of hating religion, traditions, customs, culture, and old trends. They rapidly left all. They left bad customs as well as good customs. They destroyed the spirit. They achieved the body. This materialistic approach creates mental and spiritual diseases and does no good. A man who is not exposed to sex, feels eternal enjoyment from his wife. A man used to illegal sex finds little enjoyment thus , affecting the pious relationship of man and woman(marriage). He may also indulge in cheating because, old habbits die hard. Thus a series of problems occur with this type of evilness in our society. Small problems become huge problems if not dealt with rightly. People say, A man doesn’t marry to kill his wife with hunger. True ‘ But if we control our wishes and live a simple life, no one will die with hunger”. Yes in the time of extravaganza this idea seems ridiculous, but in order to stop more problems one has to practice this difficulty. Nothing comes without cost. If we live simply, we may indulge in inferiority complex that look our neighbour has a Mercedes where as we have a motor bike. Here true education counts. If we are taught that ideas and morals and struggle is important not things. We will not feel this way. I am not talking , not to struggle for living comfortable life. I am only saying, not to make it number one priority. Thanking God for what He has given to us is essential. A famous philosopher said “ Those who talk about ideas, are the geniuses and greatest people. Those who talk about things are common people. Those who are the most lower level people talk about other people.” True education and brought up teaches us to think and talk about ideas. It’s the thinking which is important of the man behind that black Pent and Coat of latest fashion. Not the Pent and Coat of latest fashion. It’s the caliber, not the money. It’s the level of effort. Not the level of success. It’s the means to attain money. Not the money itself. It’s the practicality and benefit of an idea, not the age or mouth from which it is coming out.

Pervaiz Musharraf, the ex president of Pakistan privatized the media. But he forgot one thing. Pass some rules and regulations in the parliament to set some limits on Media. Now what is happening. Like the rest of the world , yellow journalism is at its peak in Pakistani media. And the worst thing is that for earning dollars they have lost morality. They take money from foreign agencies and propagate their views and culture and against our national interest. When they are told to stop, they say you are against the freedom of media. Remember “It is a disgrace to end the freedom of speech. But it is a bigger disgrace to lie to the masses and to insult the intellectual simplicity of the masses and guide them wrong to chaos. It is like an educated and civilized terrorism which destroys the purpose of media as well as tries to control minds as well as souls of the masses. This also means like playing intellectual god. A far more dangerous game than the military and tyrannical regimes play by eliminating and harassing the masses to achieve their evil goals. It is a poison disguised in chocolate. Fooling innocent beings, who don’t know what game is being played with them.” I believed that media hatred against Hitler is exaggerated and biased. The complete truth is not being told. When I read one fourth of his autobiography, I was convinced. Although he made mistakes and did wrongs, because of a major fault in his philosophy that race is the basis of supremacy. But many things of his philosophy are right according to my analysis. Quran divides Humans in three categories. Pious Muslims, non pious Muslims, Kaffirs. Pious Muslims can only marry with Pious Muslims. Pious Muslims can’t marry with either non pious and or kaffirs. But if Kaffirs accept Islam and practice Islam, they come in the category of Pious Muslims. Thus Islam discourages racism and encourages piousness. “Pious can only marry pious no matter from which race he/she belongs to, no matter which ethnicity, culture or country” can not in any manner be understood in the terms of race but only in the terms of spiritual piety.

I have increased the font size of those passages more important to read. The conclusion about media is that “ Media should be limitized in its freedom. National interest of an Islamic state are based on the national interests of Islam. Media shouldn’t be let to cross the border in order to damage those national interests. Some times hiding a fact is better than exposing it. Some times a constructive lie is better than a destructive truth. Media should work on these lines and be punished if go astray. However it should be made sure that the government is not allowed to do what it wants. Media should attack the wrong deeds of government but not the institution of government itself. Thus creation of a balance is necessary. Such a balance which ensures that neither media nor government be allowed to abuse its powers.

Ordering the extinction of an entire group of people, killing 6 million of that group and 5 million from other "undesirable" groups does not make you a monster? If so what does???

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If we change the words racism from his writings and speeches to the supremacy of Islam. Hitler’s 90% views are in agreement to Islam
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Wow. I don't even know where to begin on that. So he is saying Islam prescribes a system of persecution of "others" (racial and ethnic minorities in Hitler's case, and religious minorities in the other case)?

The materialism criticism of Islamists against the West is a joke. Look at all the Muslims flocking to the West, even though most of them either hate or at least do not like the cultures of Western nations, for material gain. Look at Islamist ideology itself. A central complaint of it is that the Islamic world has been overtaken by the West. In what? Material things. They then promise that if Islamism is adopted material things--economic wealth and military power--will magically start flowing down from the sky, just as communists claimed communism would lead to utopian societies of plenty and power.

As to the rest I won't even bother discussing such nonsense. Omer clearly is a Hitler type, only that his ideology is based on religion while Hitler's was based on race and ethnicity. To say Islam itself prescribes such an ideology is quite a statement. This is basically what Robert Spencer and Gert Wilders say about Islam. Muslims complain when they say it. Will the same voices complain about Omer (I presume he is a fairly well known mullah or Islamist political leader)?

hahaha, reason, you actually replied to the post properly? lol.

Re: Hitler was Not a Monster

hitlar was perhaps sufi saint?

Materialism doesn't mean earning a good living. Lol! Materialsim means means being fond of this life too much that you forget the real purpose.

And as far as Hitler is concerned. Read My OBservations again and you will know that what I am trying to say.

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People who read Jewish Propaganda and don't have the depth to understand the logic and philosophy in some one's writings are actually lower IQ level people. So both you reason and slickstar , you lack the depth of perception. And this is no nonsense. Talk intelligently and logically if you dare. Saying a white wall black doesn't make it black. Give some weight for your dis agreement. Mocking is actually non sense. So you are non sense.

Only Ignorant ones can't understand the logic and message which I want to say. Because slickstar especially you are Australian raised so just stick to your country. You can't understand me ,because your educational foundations are set on foreign values. So just keep quiet. And Reason you are without any reason. Reason and slck star you are both ignorant of our values so I will not further debate with you both.

Re: Hitler was Not a Monster

Marwati, he was not a saint. He was a dictator. And he killed many innocents. But as far as his philosophy is concerned we can observe and get many positive things. If you read his auto biography Mien Kampf {My Struggle} you will be astonished by the genius of this man. I believe that there is no wrong in gaining wisdom from which ever source you can get. But if Slick stars and Reason are both Jews then I can't say anything about their perception.

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In saudi Arabia's shariah republic there is a concept called blood money where if you kill somoene you can get away if the victim family demands some kind of money and you pay it.. For murder of jews sum fixed is lowest so you can imagine why muslims feel hitler was saint after all it was jew being butchered

^ Don't non-Muslims, especially Jews and Christians, think about Genghis Khan in a positive light as well?

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Even if the Jews and Christians support someone who masscared people of a religion that they don't like...............................should such an example be followed?

No group of people..........regardless of their religion...........should be treated in such an inhumane manner.

There's a really powerful quote which goes like this:

**"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

**When we focus only on the differences that we have with others (culture, religion, race).......it has the potential to lead to animosity. But when we try to focus on the similarities that we have as human beings.............it brings forth tolerance and understanding.

^ It's called Qisas. In Islam.............when you murder someone........the consequence is a "life for a life". Although Allah says that forgiveness is better...........the punishment for one who murders is to have their own life taken away. Now....the family of the victim can decide to have the murderer pay a sum of money as compensation.

But Allah has set limits for this "compensation" as well. Allah forbids the family of the victim to continue threatening or demanding MORE money from the murderer after he/she had already paid the sum demanded. Because they are then transgressing their rights.

I don't know how anyone can put a numeric value on a deceased loved one. All the money in the world is not going to lessen the pain or bring the person back.

Anyhow............genocide of any race..............IS SICK! There's nothing that can justify it.

I was also thinking of that saying in bold.. Makes me think of those Hindus, Sikhs and Jews being targetted for recruitment by Nick Griffin of the BNP as it's believed they can join in the movement against Muslims in Britain. These people shouldn't be naive but I expect many of them will join the right-wing party not thinking of that quote RV just mentioned..

Totally agree..

Ok. But then don't start fuming if some people do the same thing as you. If Westerns can mention a confirmed monster as Genghis in positive light then they should expect same from others.

^ That's weak logic.

You don't try to emulate negative behaviors that others engage in. Instead......you use your own common sense/conscience........and try to rise above things which are clearly wrong.

Two wrongs never make a right. Violence.......and sentiments that support it........only breed hatred.

"Don't start fuming?" Of course one would naturally be upset if one portrays a person who discriminates heavily against their own race/culture in a positive light. But that doesn't mean you should also do the same thing back. You're only stooping to their level. Instead........you denounce the obvious crimes irrespective of who is committing them and irrespective of who is on the receiving end of it.

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Hitler was a pragmatic leader who stood by his principle but the course of the third reich was altered because of a few wrong decisions taken by him and his entourage.

Hitler's main influence was Goebbels, he was the one who made his propaganda work first place.
He made up a big fear concerning the economic crisis, despite the fact that Germany at that time was not even under any economic threat. After his regime Germany was crushed in every aspect.

He was nothing but a dictator who came in power through corruption, everyone who opposed him was eliminated immediately. He brainwashed people and shaped their life entirely by feeding them with Nazi ideology from their early childhood on. He decreased the influence of Churches and even went that far as to execute some of their leaders, the quotation one of the users above you wrote down was by Bonhoeffer(at least I think so) a preacher who was executed for opposing Hitler's views publicly.

Regarding women, well within the Nazi ideology they were nothing but birth machines that was all they were there for. The Nazis built special houses for young men and women who could "pair" in order to create more children of the pure "Aryan" race. Women who used to hold positions were fired by the Nazis as women had absolutely no say at all.

Plus he didn't only eliminate the Jewish people, he also eliminated disabled people for they were weak and therefore had no right to live.

Islam tells us to respect life regardless of what race or religion it might be. One of the sayings of Prophet Muhammad SAW was

**"The most excellent jihad is when one speaks a true word in the presence of a tyrannical ruler."

In the Qu'ran Allah SWT tells us:
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"Whoever kills a person unjustly, it is as though he has killed all mankind. And whoever saves a life, it is as though he had saved all mankind." (Qu'ran, Surah al-Maidah 5:32)

So now once more where do you see parallels between Nazi ideology and Islam?

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Plus he didn't only eliminate the Jewish people, he also eliminated disabled people for they were weak and therefore had no right to live.
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Really? He killed people besides Jews?
Too bad we seldom hear about those other people. May be because they were not the chosen people?!
But whatever Hitler did to Jews, it is Palestinians who are suffering the revenge of Zionists. Doesn't make sense, does it? :)

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He didn't kill Jews only, that's what you get to hear mostly by the media nowadays ,but it is not true, anyone who openly opposed his dictatorship was detained and executed there's very famous cases such as: Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Sophie Scholl, Stauffenberg etc.