History of Pashtuns series

[marwati]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

its not doubtful Peshawar was captured by maratha hindus no doubt in that kicking out taimur shah durrani and jahan khan from Peshawar taimur shah and jahan khan fled to afghanistan to save their life

Even most of the indian historians dont accept this maratha claim. You are a troll so you are posting one wikipedia article after another (which can be edited by any one) but on serious note you shouldnt say such stuff infront of a sikh. Sikhs feel very offended when some marathas falsely claim that they conquered attock and peshawer before sikhs. A baloch like you shouldnt claim sikh's victories and glories in the early 19th century, considering the fact that sikhs conquered baloch areas of south punjab without any resistance while it took 17 years for ranjeet singh to wrest multan from durranis, after many failed attempts. Balochs of south punjab were subjects of Afghans of multan then they bowed their heads to sikhs and british without any resistance. Sikhs and Pashtuns had history since 18th century. In 18th century, organized and united pashtuns defeated disorganized and disunited sikhs who relied on guerrella warfare. While in early 19th century , organized and united sikhs of ranjeet singh defeated disunited and disorganized pashtun tribes. Sikhs and pashtuns admit bravery of each other, but believe me you balochs were nobodies. It was very easy for ranjeet singh to conquer sindh and balochistan but its afghan tribes who were posing threat and contineously engaged his armies. So our wars with sikhs saved you balochs from sikhs. But its a fact that ranjeet singh met no resistance from baloch tribes of south punjab. Only Afghans of multan and mankera were threat to sikhs in south punjab.

[marwati]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

Balochs have never any kingdom or independent state in their history, throwing mud at others and creating false history wont make you shiny. Sikhs had an empire but they lost their state in 1849 to british, while Afghans still have their own state. Balochs on the other hand, were always subservient to persian, turkic, afghan, mughal and british rulers. It was not an agricultural and rich land so foriegn rulers instead allowed local rulers who had to pay annual tribute. Even the semi-independent tributary vassal state of kalat was not founded by a baloch, but by a brahui. Clever Dravidian bruhais ruled over balochs and are nowadays are claiming baloch identity to legitimize and justify their centuries long rule over balochs. @Mir_Baloch believe in martial race of british but in their case non-martial dravidian race of bruhis became lords and masters of baloch. Not just brahuis, a very small tribe of pashtuns, barozai of sibi who are sub-tribe of panni, established their rule over sibi, mastung and bolan. On one occassion khan of kalat assembled large army of balochs and tried to capture bolan pass, but their entire army was slaughtered by a lashkar of tareens. On another occasion, barozais defeated kalat and laid waste to the area. The same barozais, in alliance with kalhoras, subjugated marris and bugtis and extracted tribute from them. In another tribal war, lunis and jafars, slaughtered half of marri tribe.

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@marwati

Balochs have never any kingdom or independent state in their history, throwing mud at others and creating false history wont make you shiny. Sikhs had an empire but they lost their state in 1849 to british, while Afghans still have their own state. Balochs on the other hand, were always subservient to persian, turkic, afghan, mughal and british rulers. It was not an agricultural and rich land so foriegn rulers instead allowed local rulers who had to pay annual tribute. Even the semi-independent tributary vassal state of kalat was not founded by a baloch, but by a brahui. Clever Dravidian bruhais ruled over balochs and are nowadays are claiming baloch identity to legitimize and justify their centuries long rule over balochs. @Mir Baloch believe in martial race of british but in their case non-martial dravidian race of bruhis became lords and masters of baloch. Not just brahuis, a very small tribe of pashtuns, barozai of sibi who are sub-tribe of panni, established their rule over sibi, mastung and bolan. On one occassion khan of kalat assembled large army of balochs and tried to capture bolan pass, but their entire army was slaughtered by a lashkar of tareens. On another occasion, barozais defeated kalat and laid waste to the area. The same barozais, in alliance with kalhoras, subjugated marris and bugtis and extracted tribute from them. In another tribal war, lunis and jafars, slaughtered half of marri tribe.

**Mazari Baloch Tribe War With Sikh Empire in Rojhan Tehsil in Rajanpur District of Punjab Pakistan **

**In 1836, Mithankot, by then a strong Sikh garrison fortress, was attacked by the Mazari Baloch tribal forces under the command of Sardar Karam Khan, the younger brother of the Mazari Chief Sardar Mir Bahram Khan. The attack came as retaliation to Raja Kharak Singh’s constant threats to the Mazari stronghold of Rojhan Mazari. Many lives were lost and the garrison along with the city was completely burnt down. All the prisoners taken by the Mazari tribesman were later skinned alive and burnt near the city. A few days later the Sikhs under the command of Raja Kharak Singh retaliated and attacked the Mazari Stronghold of Rojhan and managed to burn it down but the Sikh army was quickly engaged by the forces of Sardar Mir Bahram Khan and driven back towards Mithankot. Despite, suffering a major loss in terms of property, only a handful of Mazaris lost their lives as the news of the attack had reached the court of the Mazari Sardar a few days earlier thereby eliminating the element of surprise. These events led to regular skirmishes between the Mazari and the Sikh forces resulting in loss of life on both sides. Then finally in early 1838, a deal was brokered between Sardar Mir Bahram Khan Baloch and Maharaja Ranjeet Singh which led to an armistice that was signed by the Chief’s younger brother Sardar Karam Khan and Diwan Sawan Mal, the Maharaja’s Governor of Multan. Later that year Sardar Mir Bahram Khan along with twelve thousand Mazari Tribesman, court officials and notables visited Lahore on the invitation of Maharaja Ranjeet Singh. The Mazari’s were well received by the Maharaja at the Lahore Fort and given a royal welcome. The Maharaja had the Mughal era Naulakha Pavilion(saman Burj) inside the Lahore Fort specially renovated for the month long stay of Sardar Mir Bahram Khan Mazari. This meeting between the two leaders officially brought an end to the long war between the Sikh Maharaja and the Mazari Baloch Sardar that started with the attack at Mitankot.

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[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@marwati

Balochs have never any kingdom or independent state in their history, throwing mud at others and creating false history wont make you shiny. Sikhs had an empire but they lost their state in 1849 to british, while Afghans still have their own state. Balochs on the other hand, were always subservient to persian, turkic, afghan, mughal and british rulers. It was not an agricultural and rich land so foriegn rulers instead allowed local rulers who had to pay annual tribute. Even the semi-independent tributary vassal state of kalat was not founded by a baloch, but by a brahui. Clever Dravidian bruhais ruled over balochs and are nowadays are claiming baloch identity to legitimize and justify their centuries long rule over balochs. @Mir Baloch believe in martial race of british but in their case non-martial dravidian race of bruhis became lords and masters of baloch. Not just brahuis, a very small tribe of pashtuns, barozai of sibi who are sub-tribe of panni, established their rule over sibi, mastung and bolan. On one occassion khan of kalat assembled large army of balochs and tried to capture bolan pass, but their entire army was slaughtered by a lashkar of tareens. On another occasion, barozais defeated kalat and laid waste to the area. The same barozais, in alliance with kalhoras, subjugated marris and bugtis and extracted tribute from them. In another tribal war, lunis and jafars, slaughtered half of marri tribe.

at that time marri and bugti were not in sibi stupid marri bugti came later in sibi only rind and domki were there who also supported barozai afghans against khan of kalat thats why barozai were able to resist khan of kalat cause barozai had baloch backing but still at the end barozai afghans were kicked out from bolan by khan of kalat and khan of kalat noori naseer khan subdued them completely in sibi too and they used to pay us tribute ever since they have been ruled by the great baloochs

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

Even most of the indian historians dont accept this maratha claim. You are a troll so you are posting one wikipedia article after another (which can be edited by any one) but on serious note you shouldnt say such stuff infront of a sikh. Sikhs feel very offended when some marathas falsely claim that they conquered attock and peshawer before sikhs. A baloch like you shouldnt claim sikh's victories and glories in the early 19th century, considering the fact that sikhs conquered baloch areas of south punjab without any resistance while it took 17 years for ranjeet singh to wrest multan from durranis, after many failed attempts. Balochs of south punjab were subjects of Afghans of multan then they bowed their heads to sikhs and british without any resistance. Sikhs and Pashtuns had history since 18th century. In 18th century, organized and united pashtuns defeated disorganized and disunited sikhs who relied on guerrella warfare. While in early 19th century , organized and united sikhs of ranjeet singh defeated disunited and disorganized pashtun tribes. Sikhs and pashtuns admit bravery of each other, but believe me you balochs were nobodies. It was very easy for ranjeet singh to conquer sindh and balochistan but its afghan tribes who were posing threat and contineously engaged his armies. So our wars with sikhs saved you balochs from sikhs. But its a fact that ranjeet singh met no resistance from baloch tribes of south punjab. Only Afghans of multan and mankera were threat to sikhs in south punjab.

why should we believe u ur also giving reference of ur own blog give us nuitral source only then we will believe u

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@marwat and am not a troll am here to expose fake fabricated afghan history

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@marwati

Balochs have never any kingdom or independent state in their history, throwing mud at others and creating false history wont make you shiny. Sikhs had an empire but they lost their state in 1849 to british, while Afghans still have their own state. Balochs on the other hand, were always subservient to persian, turkic, afghan, mughal and british rulers. It was not an agricultural and rich land so foriegn rulers instead allowed local rulers who had to pay annual tribute. Even the semi-independent tributary vassal state of kalat was not founded by a baloch, but by a brahui. Clever Dravidian bruhais ruled over balochs and are nowadays are claiming baloch identity to legitimize and justify their centuries long rule over balochs. @Mir Baloch believe in martial race of british but in their case non-martial dravidian race of bruhis became lords and masters of baloch. Not just brahuis, a very small tribe of pashtuns, barozai of sibi who are sub-tribe of panni, established their rule over sibi, mastung and bolan. On one occassion khan of kalat assembled large army of balochs and tried to capture bolan pass, but their entire army was slaughtered by a lashkar of tareens. On another occasion, barozais defeated kalat and laid waste to the area. The same barozais, in alliance with kalhoras, subjugated marris and bugtis and extracted tribute from them. In another tribal war, lunis and jafars, slaughtered half of marri tribe.

KINGS OF BALOCHISTAN
Mir Chakar Rind (1468–156[TABLE=“class: wikitable”]

[TH]Tenure[/TH]
[TH]Khan of Kalat[SUP][2]](Khanate of Kalat - Wikipedia)[/SUP][/TH]

1666–1667
Mir Ahmad I Baloch

1695–1696
Mir Mehrab Baloch

1697–1713
Mir Samandar Khan Ahmedzai Baloch also known as Amir al-Umara Amir of Amirs

1713–1714
Mir Ahmad II Khan Ahmedzai Baloch

1715–1730
Mir Abdullah Khan Ahmedzai Baloch also known as Eagle of the Mountain

1730–1749

Mir Muhabbat Khan Ahmedzai Baloch

1749–1794
Mir Muhammad Nasir Khan I Ahmedzai Baloch also known as Noori Naseer Khan the great

1794–1831
Mir Mahmud Khan I Ahmedzai Baloch

1831 – 13 November 1839
Mir Mehrab Khan II Ahmedzai Baloch

1839–1840
Mir Shah Nawaz Khan Ahmedzai Baloch

1840–1857
Mir Nasir Khan II Ahmedzai Baloch , son of Mir Naseer Khan Ahmedzai Baloch I[SUP][6][/SUP]

1857 – March 1863
Mir Khudadad Khan Ahmedzai Baloch (1st time) during his period of rule, there were seven major and many minor rebellion took place.

March 1863 – May 1864
Mir Sherdil Khan Ahmedzai Baloch (usurped throne)

May 1864 – 15 August 1893
Mir Khudadad Khan Ahmedzai Baloch(2nd time)

10 November 1893 – 3 November 1931
Mir Mahmud Khan Ahmedzi Baloch II

3 November 1931 – 10 September 1933
Mir Mohammad Azam Jan Khan Ahmedzai Baloch

10 September 1933 – 14 October 1955
Mir Ahmad Yar Khan Ahmedzai Baloch (1st time)

20 June 1958 – 1958
Mir Ahmad Yar Khan Ahmedzai Baloch (2nd time)(in rebellion)

14 October 1955
State of Kalat acceded to Pakistan

[marwati]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

Mazari Baloch Tribe War With Sikh Empire in Rojhan Tehsil in Rajanpur District of Punjab Pakistan ** **In 1836, Mithankot, by then a strong Sikh garrison fortress, was attacked by the Mazari Baloch tribal forces under the command of Sardar Karam Khan, the younger brother of the Mazari Chief Sardar Mir Bahram Khan. The attack came as retaliation to Raja Kharak Singh¡¯s constant threats to the Mazari stronghold of Rojhan Mazari. Many lives were lost and the garrison along with the city was completely burnt down. All the prisoners taken by the Mazari tribesman were later skinned alive and burnt near the city. A few days later the Sikhs under the command of Raja Kharak Singh retaliated and attacked the Mazari Stronghold of Rojhan and managed to burn it down but the Sikh army was quickly engaged by the forces of Sardar Mir Bahram Khan and driven back towards Mithankot. Despite, suffering a major loss in terms of property, only a handful of Mazaris lost their lives as the news of the attack had reached the court of the Mazari Sardar a few days earlier thereby eliminating the element of surprise. These events led to regular skirmishes between the Mazari and the Sikh forces resulting in loss of life on both sides. Then finally in early 1838, a deal was brokered between Sardar Mir Bahram Khan Baloch and Maharaja Ranjeet Singh which led to an armistice that was signed by the Chief¡¯s younger brother Sardar Karam Khan and Diwan Sawan Mal, the Maharaja¡¯s Governor of Multan. Later that year Sardar Mir Bahram Khan along with twelve thousand Mazari Tribesman, court officials and notables visited Lahore on the invitation of Maharaja Ranjeet Singh. The Mazari's were well received by the Maharaja at the Lahore Fort and given a royal welcome. The Maharaja had the Mughal era Naulakha Pavilion(saman Burj) inside the Lahore Fort specially renovated for the month long stay of Sardar Mir Bahram Khan Mazari. This meeting between the two leaders officially brought an end to the long war between the Sikh Maharaja and the Mazari Baloch Sardar that started with the attack at Mitankot.

There are plenty of websites and wikis about sikh history, run by sikhs themeselves , no one mention your fake and fabricated history of mazaris. Go check sikh sources by yourself. Despite of the bias, on the other hand sikh sources do mention that they met tough resistance from scattered afghan colonies in punjab like kasur, multan, maler kotla, sirhind etc

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@marwati

Balochs have never any kingdom or independent state in their history, throwing mud at others and creating false history wont make you shiny. Sikhs had an empire but they lost their state in 1849 to british, while Afghans still have their own state. Balochs on the other hand, were always subservient to persian, turkic, afghan, mughal and british rulers. It was not an agricultural and rich land so foriegn rulers instead allowed local rulers who had to pay annual tribute. Even the semi-independent tributary vassal state of kalat was not founded by a baloch, but by a brahui. Clever Dravidian bruhais ruled over balochs and are nowadays are claiming baloch identity to legitimize and justify their centuries long rule over balochs. @Mir Baloch believe in martial race of british but in their case non-martial dravidian race of bruhis became lords and masters of baloch. Not just brahuis, a very small tribe of pashtuns, barozai of sibi who are sub-tribe of panni, established their rule over sibi, mastung and bolan. On one occassion khan of kalat assembled large army of balochs and tried to capture bolan pass, but their entire army was slaughtered by a lashkar of tareens. On another occasion, barozais defeated kalat and laid waste to the area. The same barozais, in alliance with kalhoras, subjugated marris and bugtis and extracted tribute from them. In another tribal war, lunis and jafars, slaughtered half of marri tribe.

first of all kalhora were against barozai and baloch both so dont lie and second baloch have never been defeated by tareens in bolan so absolute fabrication

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@marwati

There are plenty of websites and wikis about sikh history, run by sikhs themeselves , no one mention your fake and fabricated history of mazaris. Go check sikh sources by yourself. Despite of the bias, on the other hand sikh sources do mention that they met tough resistance from scattered afghan colonies in punjab like kasur, multan, maler kotla, sirhind etc

I have Reference

• The Punjab Chiefs by Sir Lepal Henry Griffin
• Popular Poetry of the Balochis by Mr Long Worth Dames
• Tareekh Balochistan: Rai Bahadur Lala Hathu Ram
• Tehreek Mujhadin: Allama Ghulam Rasool Mahar

and i also have reference of the defeat of afghans at the hands of sikh at least baloch of balochistan to rajanpur were never ruled by doti wala siks

[marwati]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

The State of Dir :: Khyber.ORG

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

by the way marwat are not pathan

prove of that with book references
The Lohani Marwats

1. Ther is a clear evidence that pashtun are Aryans. (Sher Mohammad Mohmand P-ix).
2. "The early history of the Marwats is cloudy due to non availability of proper record like other Pashtoon tribes”. Dr.Syed Chiragh Hussain.
   
   1. The Marwat, or Maorat ( an Indian tribe of thegreat desert) inhabit the Marwat Division of the Bannu District, and are a branch of the Lohani. (H.W.Bellew P-113)
3. The old Marwats call themselves as Lowanri (i.e. Lohani) Afghans. ( Sher MohammadMohmand P-11).
4. Lohani is the Lawani Chohan Agnikula Rajput. (H.W.Bellewp-29)
5. Lohani :- Lohana is the name of a Hindu tribe of the Indian desert. Sections are :-Adam, Chandu, Dallo, Khodo, Khwaedad, Mahander, Mama , Rajo, Salar, Tapi, Zangi etc.etc. ( Bellew P-28) For the sake of brevity, the terminal affixes of “Khel” and “Zai” has been omitted from the sections.(H.W. Bellew P-13) 7.Lohan. A tribe of Jats, descended from Panwar RajPut Origin. (Rose, H.A., P-36).
6. The Lohani Marwat ( Maorat) Tribe is different from the Noohani Marwats.. The Noohani Marwats call themselves Marwat Khels and are still residing in Village Marwat Khel, District Zarghun Shahr of Paktika Province of Afghanistan. They have not further devided themselves into subtribes. They derive their name fromtheir father name Nooh. They are a tribe of Lodhi Pattans , descendents from Ibrahim Lodhi, grand son of Baitan. (Naemat Ullah Haravi P-449 to 451).
7. The two i.e Lohani and Noohani tribes are different and are not to be confused and intermixed. References.
8. Henry Walter Bellew, “ An inquiry into the Ethnographyof Afghanistan”1891.
9. Neamat ullah Haravi, “ Tareekh-I- khan Jehani waMakhzan-i- Afghani”
   
10. Rose H.A. “ Castes and Tribes of Punjab and North West fRontier Province” Volume -III
11. SherMuhammad Mohmand, “The Marwats” Page-11

[marwati]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

History of the Frontier Corps

[muqawwee123]

Re: Baloch Vs Pathan

[admin] Cool down guys. Don't make all the threads looks like community 'A' Vs Community 'B'. There is no need to personal attacks to prove your superiority over other. All such comments will be removed and posters will be issued infractions. Happy posting [/admin]

[muqawwee123]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

Instead of Posting various threads, i will update this thread with tidbits of Pashtun history. Every one is welcomed to criticize or analyze any article.

With the statement in bold, you have invited all types of posts. I hope you will demonstrate patience in replying all the posts , so that people can learn more in a friendly atmosphere.

@MirBaloch

if you got any opposite views and information, please state that without using language that can instigate the others. Thanks

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

Shah Shujah Durrani Lost Koh-i-Nor diamond to Maharaja Ranjit Singh to gained his freedom

Shah Shujah Durrani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@muqawwee123

With the statement in bold, you have invited all types of posts. I hope you will demonstrate patience in replying all the posts , so that people can learn more in a friendly atmosphere.

@MirBaloch

if you got any opposite views and information, please state that without using language that can instigate the others. Thanks

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[marwati]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

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[muqawwee123]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

@Mir_Baloch

am the only baloch here and he started insulting and throwing mud at baloch heros first am not insulting anyone here am just exposing the fabricated afghan history and brother u should prefer baloch over the outsider afghans we are sons of the soil of pakistan but still an outsider afghani comes and insult the baloch sindhi and punjabies of pakistan and brother why u didn;t warn him when he was throwing mud at baloch heros mene sirf history expose ki afghan ki or ap ne warning dedi am the only baloch on this forum ap ko balochun ko tarji deni chaiye afghani refugees ko nai cause they are not our well wisher

This is the forum for mature discussions. We are not here to take sides. If anyone tries to show his superiority by name calling othes / other races or posting instigating remarks he /she will get banned. be it a Sindhi, Punjabi, Balochi, Pakhtunor anyother race.

I hope point is cleared now. You people can carry on discussion in civilised manner.

[Mir_Baloch]

Re: History of Pashtuns series

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