That's because the punjabis can count on their rangers and soldiers when in a pinch.
can you even tell the difference between Punjabi living in KHI and Mohajir?
That's because the punjabis can count on their rangers and soldiers when in a pinch.
Boo hoo....cry us all a river, will ya!
Now go, sit in the far corner of this forum and think about what you've just said.
It’s your opinion and you have every right to have certain views…even I think Fukhrudin G Ibrahim or Saeed uz Zaman Siddique are better people to do this job…
But the matter can not be left to your or my opinion…or to the opinion of any individual, be it the COAS…to sack him you have to follow the procedure prescribed in article 209 of the constitution…there is no other way to sack him…and any violation of the constitution has to be dealt according to article 6…
My dear friend 2+2=4
Black is balck and white is white…
Right is right and wrong is wrong…
It is very simple…
There is no need to bring this mohajir, punjabi , pushtun, or sindhi business in all this..
A wrong comitted by mohajir is a wrong and a right comitted by a sindhi is a right…
You have to understand very clearly…I differ with your opinion not because you are a mohajir…I differ with your views because they are not based on principles…
I am on record critisising Ifti when I felt he was wrong…I do not believe in following anyone like a cult on the basis of ethnicity…
Re: History of MQM terrorism in Pakistan
Both Pakhtoons and Punjabies are the most hard working people in this country. They are most adaptable and flexible ones and most of them are freindly. Whereas other Balouchies and Sindhies lack in those qualities (I am sorry if I offended anyone here - but thats a fact).
MQM tried to put Karachi and Hyderabad people on these lines (of laters qualities). The very damaging thing which MQM did was to destroy Karachi's education system.
Soon they will blame MQM for one of the 20th century's most brutal genocides (after holocaust and maybe Rwanda) committed on Bengalis by punjabi-pukhtun army.
This is the kind of Poison which MQM have done to the People of Pakistan.
Y don't MQM join the army and reverse the situation, and guess what, MQM or Urdu Speaking does have representation in the army as most of the top ellite of the army and the president is from the same community...
The very people who cries that MQM is being involved in every bad thing in Pakistan, forget the fact that, MQM does the same... e.g. Army is called Punjabi-Pukhtun, whereas army has been led by an urdu speaking person for almost 10 years... the finance ministry and ther important ministries was held by urdu speaking or non punjabi-pukhton community, the governership of Sindh is with urdu speaking community... Now the simple question
What Good that all have brought to the country or to the community itself?
Other than killing 40+ people for no good reason.. did any magsi or ghous ali shah, killed any urdu speaker before the riots brokeout... what justification does MQM can give for buring people alive? What wrong is in it if People want to demonstrate in favor of someone ( no matter how corrupt or stupid he is).. what problem does they have in it?
Other than killing 40+ people for no good reason.. did any magsi or ghous ali shah, killed any urdu speaker before the riots brokeout... what justification does MQM can give for buring people alive? What wrong is in it if People want to demonstrate in favor of someone ( no matter how corrupt or stupid he is).. what problem does they have in it?
Sorry in some cases it was done before rioting. And on May 12, both parties MQM and ANP were fully armed. MQM got the day as they were better postioned. And then ANP and PPP equalized this May 12 massacre on Dec 27.
I do not think that there was a genocide then. There were killing on each side and one can not deny the role of India in those matters.
MQM believes that all the bad thing happens on this planet is done by Punjabi and Pukhtoons and URDU SPEAKERS are angels, even cannot spell out the word bad itself... and i think Khekeshan and other MQM activitist are sure that at that time none of Urdu Speaker was appointed in Army deployed in former East Pakistan...
Actually when ever it comes to logical question asnwering, MQM tries to run away as their motto is surely to destroy Pakistan's integrity ( which is evident from their remarks)
Sorry in some cases it was done before rioting. And on May 12, both parties MQM and ANP were fully armed. MQM got the day as they were better postioned. And then ANP and PPP equalized this May 12 massacre on Dec 27.
So u r in away justifying the massacre?
OK how many Leaders ( who ordered the Massacre ) were killed from both sides? any numbers? have u ever thought that why these people do not target the leaders?
Re: History of MQM terrorism in Pakistan
How can I justify any killings? By anyone of innocent people?
Hanibal they have to be condemned not because they are mohajirs, but because they have no respect for law, and are criminals of highest order and if law of the land is applied impartially they will be hanged to death…it’s only by chance that all these criminals are mohajirs…they could have been from any other ethnicity also…but law remains uniform for everyone…
http://thenews.jang.com.pk/top_story_detail.asp?Id=15421
Law ministry’s rare advice to keep nation united
Wednesday, June 18, 2008
By Ansar Abbasi
ISLAMABAD: The law ministry, before Farooq H Naek became the minister, had advised the government that ruthless enforcement of Article 6 of the Constitution to bring adventurers, their cronies and collaborators, living or dead, to justice was a must to keep the nation united.
This rare but confidential advice of the law ministry was given to the Inter-Provincial Coordination (IPC) Division of the cabinet secretariat two days before the ascertainment of Makhdoom Yousuf Raza Gilani as the leader of the house by the National Assembly on the issue of provincial autonomy.
**“Only faithful observance of the provisions of the Constitution and awareness and eternal vigilance of the civil society to assert and protect and obey the Constitution can ensure and preserve the provincial autonomy,” the law ministry said in its detailed note.
It added: “Further ruthless enforcement of Article 6 of the Constitution, the High Treason Punishment Act, 1973 (LVIII of 1973) [F/T] in accordance with the provision of the Criminal Law Amendment (Special Courts) Act, 1976 (XVIII of 1976) and bringing adventurers, their cronies and collaborators, living or dead, to justice in sine qua non for maintaining the provincial autonomy and only a vibrant Constitution can respond to the aspirations of the people and keep the nation united.”**
This unique advice, containing the signatures of the highest law ministry authorities, has now apparently been dumped. During the present regime, it was referred by the IPC Division to a private law practitioner, an initiative which the law ministry did not appreciate.
The law ministry pointed out on April 2 that the communication made and opinion tendered by the ministry was confidential and was meant only for inter-divisional guidance. The law ministry’s advice coincides with the demand of the PML-N, the lawyers’ fraternity and certain sections of the civil society, including some ex-servicemen.
It, however, is in conflict with the PPP, which wants to give a safe exit to President Musharraf once he vacates the presidency. Sources in the IPC Division told this correspondent that it had approached the law ministry, seeking the latter’s views on the draft package on provincial autonomy.
The then IPC secretary, Sohail Safdar, wrote to the law ministry, which was not convinced with the government’s effort to ensure provincial autonomy by removing the concurrent legislative list from the Constitution.
“It has become a fashion to gain popularity by saying that deletion of certain subjects from the concurrent legislative list will ensure provincial autonomy. It seems till to date not a single law has been passed by the provinces on the subjects enumerated in the concurrent legislative list, though the power to legislate vests in the provinces by virtue of paragraph (b) of Article 142 of the Constitution,” the law ministry observed in its note, adding mere deletion of some subjects from the concurrent legislative list would not resolve the matter.
It said upholding the Constitution and punishing those who had abrogated it would help maintain the provincial autonomy. The law ministry said the Indian constitution also contained a concurrent list containing 47 entries. The Indian constitution, the ministry said, also gives parliament the exclusive power to make any law with respect to any matter not enumerated in the concurrent legislative list and such powers include the power to make any law imposing a tax not enumerated in either of these lists.
“In India, it can be inferred that there is no issue of provincial autonomy because their politicians, civil society, armed forces and all concerned have learnt to respect and abide by the Constitution in letter and spirit,” reads the law ministry’s note available with The News.
The law ministry argued the Constitution of Pakistan gave far more autonomy to the provinces by giving them power to legislate on all matters not enumerated in the federal legislative list or the concurrent legislative list.
It simultaneously provides the provincial assembly the authority to legislate on subjects falling in the concurrent legislative list. It has also been provided that with regard to the concurrent legislative list, subject executive authority vests in the provinces. The law ministry, terming the IPC Division’s draft package on provincial autonomy “cosmetic changes”, said such a package would not serve the purpose.
Hanibal they have to be condemned not because they are mohajirs, but because they have no respect for law, and are criminals of highest order and if law of the land is applied impartially they will be hanged to death...it's only by chance that all these criminals are mohajirs....they could have been from any other ethnicity also...but law remains uniform for everyone...
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U r so right, I personally even don't hold anyone responsible for any wrong doing but the person who have done it. to me race is just some thing which is there by fate, it is the attitude of certain person which make him better or worse of Human kind.
Re: History of MQM terrorism in Pakistan
It is established here that the ANP is not responsible for the militancy, even if it was, it was a needle in a big haystack compared to the role of the MQM in terrorizing Karachi. Short of suicide attacks, the MQM done what certain islamo-jihado-phoebic MQM members keep talking about. From murdering ex-Governors and humanitarians like Hakim Sayeed to abducting foreign nationals, they are no different from the jihadi monsters they 'now' claim to abhor. As for the whole non-sense about them being against waderiz, feudals and army, the lifestyle of Altaf, his self appointment as the chief forever, and their support for dictatorships as well as the same wadera parties they claim to counter, for a piece of the pie invalidates everything they claim. The party leadership also proved its anti-Pakistani with their top leader going to India and claiming Pakistan was the biggest blunder in the history of mankind.
Re: History of MQM terrorism in Pakistan
An eight hours of uninterrupted killings of people including women and children on Decemeber 14, 1986 (most of them burnt alive inside their homes) and hours of looting, arson and abducting of grils on Dec 27, 2007 at many places in Karachi. Who will be held responsible for that?
An eight hours of uninterrupted killings of people including women and children on Decemeber 14, 1986 (most of them burnt alive inside their homes) and hours of looting, arson and abducting of grils on Dec 27, 2007 at many places in Karachi. Who will be held responsible for that?
Who did that?? Was it MQM?? Let us know!
ANP, MQM leaders break the ice
By Azfar-ul-Ashfaque
KARACHI, May 31: After a series of backdoor contacts and intervention of what the two parties called ‘mutual friends’, the Muttahida Qaumi Movement and the Awami National Party held on Saturday their first public meeting since the May 12 tragedy and agreed to reach reconciliation through holding more meetings.
A four-member delegation of the MQM comprising Dr Farooq Sattar, Babar Ghauri, Shoaib Bukhari and Waseem Aftab called on ANP chief Asfandyar Wali, who was on a visit to the city, and discussed with him issues relating to improving ties between the two parties.
During the meeting, MQM chief Altaf Hussain also contacted Asfandyar Wali Khan on phone and expressed his sorrow over the May 12 events, which he termed a conspiracy aimed at creating differences among the likeminded forces. Later, Dr Sattar and Asfandyar Wali held a joint press conference at the residence of Sindh ANP chief Shahi Syed.
The ANP chief, however, made it clear that more meetings would be held between the two parties as one meeting was not enough to allay all misunderstandings.
He said both parties were in agreement on a demand that a free and impartial investigation of the May 12 mayhem should be conducted.
“Both parties will ensure punishment to those involved in the terrorist incidents.”
He said that Karachi was the city of every Pakistani.
“We held peace talks in Swat and Dir and if we do not negotiate in Karachi then it would leave the reconciliation process incomplete,” he said.
Terming the ANP its natural ally, Dr Sattar said that since 1986 both parties remained in contact with each other and had played their positive role but distances had been created between the two parties after May 12, 2007 as a result of a conspiracy hatched by those who did not like peace in the metropolis.
Babar Ghauri said that the MQM supported renaming the NWFP province as Pakhtoon-khwa.
An eight hours of uninterrupted killings of people including women and children on Decemeber 14, 1986 (most of them burnt alive inside their homes) and hours of looting, arson and abducting of grils on Dec 27, 2007 at many places in Karachi. Who will be held responsible for that?
He won't answer, he doesn't know anything about history of Karachi or even Pakistan (like 1971 genocide). Just not that long ago, he wanted Mush to get the nobel prize and now he wants Mush to get hanged, so forgive him for his confusion.
can you even tell the difference between Punjabi living in KHI and Mohajir?
there is a difference in culture, looks and the urdu they speak..
there is a difference in culture, looks and the urdu they speak..
Well its no longer the case, punjabies born and lived in Karachi are no different than the local ones.
He won't answer, he doesn't know anything about history of Karachi or even Pakistan (like 1971 genocide). Just not that long ago, he wanted Mush to get the nobel prize and now he wants Mush to get hanged, so forgive him for his confusion.
how about May the 12th? and how about torture of innocent Punjabis in Khi?
how about May the 12th? and how about torture of innocent Punjabis in Khi?
Yes, what about May 12th? ANP ghundas attacked and MQM defended itself very well. Any torture of any innocent person is condemnable. Unfortunately, it happens almost daily in police stations.