Icon follow the UNRISD link in above post, it’s all documented there and can’t be accused of coming out of 9-0. 
Now don’t tell me that you don’t have pdf reader.
Re: History of MQM terrorism in Pakistan
Well many of us can not deny these atrocities etc....
But then we all know MQM gets a lot of support from Muhajirs of Karachi.....
What's the reason??? No it is not just " darao dhamkao ki siyasat".....
The more you are going to isolate Muhajirs from the main stream Pakistan, the more they are going to support Altaf Hussain and MQM...
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It was a black day in the history of Pakistan, 220 innocents were killed, the only crime they did was that they were available when th beast of ethinic differences was out, looking for blood... and 220 innocents died.
The same beast killed 58 innocents of differect community. They shared the same religion they were living there for decades and yet got killed because somebody somewhere did something wrong. How can this be justified?
How can killing an innocent be justified by any mean?
two wrongs never make one right!!! it only make things go worse,
MQM and other nationlist, who have based their politics on ethinic differences are the reason for the loss of these lives, The leaders of these so called ethinic groups will never ever solve our problems,
It is our problems ( which are GROOMED by our blood) which have made them leaders, they will not solve them as this will dillute their very position.
I don't know, why (apart from the leaders) a common man follow these problem makers.
Yes there is problem, 95% of Population is suffering from it... but what is the solution for it?
having said that, even before asking for solution, one should see if the leaders are suffering like common man?
In case of Pakistan, it is not... none of the leader suffers, infact he is the only one who enjoys...
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Well said Hannibal. K Khan and Aliyish, its not just one source that declares MQM as a terrorist association, like I mentioned before, there are various others. Just recently a immigrant in Canada was handed a judgement where he was to be deported because of his criminal background where they assessed the MQM to be a terrorist party. Now I didnt check your link yet K Khan, but assuming those 160 or 220 people died, how does that overshadow MQM's attrocities?
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When it comes to PPP, ANP or any other ethnic party's atrocities in Pakistan, people here on GS mention Altaf Hussain/MQM and remind others how bad they are and what atrocities etc they have commited.
But when it comes to the atrocities commited against muhajirs of Sind/MQM etc by others, the same people conviniently shy away even from accepting these facts.
If we have to take Pakistan forward towards a better future then we have to accept each others mistakes and try to reconcile in a way that we don't repeat them again.
When it comes to PPP, ANP or any other ethnic party's atrocities in Pakistan, people here on GS mention Altaf Hussain/MQM and remind others how bad they are and what atrocities etc they have commited.
But when it comes to the atrocities commited against muhajirs of Sind/MQM etc by others, the same people conviniently shy away even from accepting these facts.
If we have to take Pakistan forward towards a better future then we have to accept each others mistakes and try to reconcile in a way that we don't repeat them again.
Maybe because the ANP and PPP dont have such track records. Also, blaming the ANP for ethnic cleansing, particularly comparing them with the likes of MQM is just a little too much. No one has even called or accused ANP of being a terrorist party.
Yes there is problem, 95% of Population is suffering from it... but *what is the solution for it? * having said that, even before asking for solution, one should see if the leaders are suffering like common man?
In case of Pakistan, it is not... none of the leader suffers, infact he is the only one who enjoys...
The 1st step would be ACKNOWLEDGING it, and dun label this beast to only one faction of society. MQM is not a party of ANGELS, no doubt about it, but ignoring the fact that there are some elements who are capable of equaly barbaric acts is plain ignorance.
Violence to resolve issues related to violence is not the answer. we witnessed that after 1992 operation and Qilla operation in Hyderabad. Not many people know that after operation "clean up" in Hyderabad MQM grew stroger than ever (in Hyderabad). Even when all MQM leadership was running all over the world, HYderabad remained the stronghold. any idea why? The answer is in events of 26th & 27th May 1990.
The real solution to this problem is to address issues these parties feed upon. the real issue in Karachi is not Judiciary or who is governing in Islamabad. The real issues are UNEMPLOYMENT, LACK of utilities, ISOLATION from mainstream as every urdu speaking KArachite is by default labeled as MQM supporter.
The 1st step would be ACKNOWLEDGING it, and dun label this beast to only one faction of society. MQM is not a party of ANGELS, no doubt about it, but ignoring the fact that there are some elements who are capable of equaly barbaric acts is plain ignorance. .
I agree, ignorance is a virtue for many here, we have seen and experienced barbaric acts from other side of these conflicts in Karachi and other parts of the country. It's not that you can clap with just one hand.
Violence to resolve issues related to violence is not the answer. we witnessed that after 1992 operation and Qilla operation in Hyderabad. Not many people know that after operation "clean up" in Hyderabad MQM grew stroger than ever (in Hyderabad). Even when all MQM leadership was running all over the world, HYderabad remained the stronghold. any idea why? The answer is in events of 26th & 27th May 1990..
That's what the case is... The support for MQM came because people in Karachi and Hyderabad felt threatened for their very existance and supported in numbers for MQM. Many had their brothers, fathers , uncles working for MQM(not in their terror camps but just as civilians for any political party).
it doesn’t, it merely reflects that THERE ARE other elements apart from MQM who are capable of doing such acts and they did that in the past! Go ahead check the link and dun worry it also mentioned all of the above MQM’s acts. the only difference is that it also mentioned the others involved.
what world you live in Spock! ANP activities, well before formation of MQM, are recorded and are part of the history. and now please dun say that UN & international media also take dictation from 9-0
Go google 1963 elections and riots for a change..
Maybe because the ANP and PPP dont have such track records. Also, blaming the ANP for ethnic cleansing, particularly comparing them with the likes of MQM is just a little too much. No one has even called or accused ANP of being a terrorist party.
Well many experienced that Sindhi, Pakhtun and Muhajir rife was attributed to PPP, ANP and MQM's political conflicts and greed to control Karachi and the rest of Sindh.
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K Khan, firstly, there was no ANP back in 1963, and if you are referring to the NDP/national awami party (which later became what is ANP), lets see any credible evidence they were behind any atrocities in Karachi or Hyderabad.
Lets first acknowledge the MQM terrorism, which is on record with human rights agencies, courts in both Pakistan and outside of the world and then talk about Ayub Khan or anyone else.
Well many experienced that Sindhi, Pakhtun and Muhajir rife was attributed to PPP, ANP and MQM's political conflicts and greed to control Karachi and the rest of Sindh.
MQM had the largest role to play. MQM's politics, headed by Altaf Hussain is based entirely on an ethnic agenda. You cant say the same for PPP (they get votes outside of Sindh, and have formed Govts in Punjab and NWFP), and ANP (which barely has a presence in the political scene in Sindh).
K Khan, firstly, there was no ANP back in 1963, and if you are referring to the NDP/national awami party (which later became what is ANP), lets see any credible evidence they were behind any atrocities in Karachi or Hyderabad.
Lets first acknowledge the MQM terrorism, which is on record with human rights agencies, courts in both Pakistan and outside of the world and then talk about Ayub Khan or anyone else.
hahaha your denial of accepting simples facts is really amusing! I dun believe in painting only one at a time and ignore others if it suites me. I always believed that ANP, PSF, MQM, JSF and Jamiat promoted violence in Karachi and unlike you I will NOT blame only one at a time. ** btw what is your opinion about events resulted deaths of 220 people? were those not the barbaric acts by elements other then MQM? and why you refuse to condemn them!**
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^ Well, if your facts were true, maybe I’d admit them, I am still waiting for proof on how the ANP committed atrocities in 1963 in Karachi
As for your 220 people I condemn the deaths but again, how exactly are you going to prove the ANP did it?
MQM had the largest role to play. MQM's politics, headed by Altaf Hussain is based entirely on an ethnic agenda. .
Ok we agree MQM and Altaf Hussain are bad/terrorists etc etc... Many muhajirs/Karachi'ites say that too. But the problem is, we who are born and have lived all our lives in Karachi have seen the PPP and ANP(who have a handsome presence in Karachi dating back to late 70's and Karachi was infact once even called the largest Pakhtun city in the world) have seen these people firing, killing , stoning each other. Our cars, school buses were attacked on day to day basis. Sohrab Goth, Sabzi Mandi, Federal B Area, Gulshan, Nazimabad all areas were like war zones. It's not like MQM was just killing randomly , it was almost a civil war kind of a situation where all these parties(PPP/ANP/MQM) were fighting on ethnic lines and killing each other party's members and innocnet people caught in between. And then came the operation 1992, although it was mostly directed against the MQM, but many in Karachi/Hyderabad took a sigh of relief as atleast there was some normalcy in their lives. But again the problem lies where one has to accept the atrocities committed by each party that was involved.
now twisting the words! where did I say ANP killed those 220 people! the problem is that you dun read carefully. go back and read what I posted there. and for the ANP/NDP involvment go back to the links I provided. Those are not the links to some narrowminded forums presenting only one side of the story. oh yeah you said you didn’t check the link YET.
Ok we agree MQM and Altaf Hussain are bad/terrorists etc etc... Many muhajirs/Karachi'ites say that too. But the problem is, we who are born and have lived all our lives in Karachi have seen the PPP and ANP(who have a handsome presence in Karachi dating back to late 70's and Karachi was infact once even called the largest Pakhtun city in the world) have seen these people firing, killing , stoning each other. Our cars, school buses were attacked on day to day basis. Sohrab Goth, Sabzi Mandi, Federal B Area, Gulshan, Nazimabad all areas were like war zones. It's not like MQM was just killing randomly , it was almost a civil war kind of a situation where all these parties(PPP/ANP/MQM) were fighting on ethnic lines and killing each other party's members and innocnet people caught in between. And then came the operation 1992, although it was mostly directed against the MQM, but many in Karachi/Hyderabad took a sigh of relief as atleast there was some normalcy in their lives. But again the problem lies where one has to accept the atrocities committed by each party that was involved.
actually people were waiting for the operation and they welcomed it, that's how MQM (h) took control over 70% of karachi within few days! but with the time it became crystal clear that operation was aimed towards only one party, and THERE it went all wrong.
The 1st step would be ACKNOWLEDGING it, and dun label this beast to only one faction of society. MQM is not a party of ANGELS, no doubt about it, but ignoring the fact that there are some elements who are capable of equaly barbaric acts is plain ignorance.
Violence to resolve issues related to violence is not the answer. we witnessed that after 1992 operation and Qilla operation in Hyderabad. Not many people know that after operation "clean up" in Hyderabad MQM grew stroger than ever (in Hyderabad). Even when all MQM leadership was running all over the world, HYderabad remained the stronghold. any idea why? The answer is in events of 26th & 27th May 1990.
The real solution to this problem is to address issues these parties feed upon. the real issue in Karachi is not Judiciary or who is governing in Islamabad. The real issues are UNEMPLOYMENT, LACK of utilities, ISOLATION from mainstream as every urdu speaking KArachite is by default labeled as MQM supporter.
U r right, we should acknowledge the problem.
The Problem is, The Country has been hijacked by the 5% of the population.
Remaining 95% of the population is being abused by the 5% under the DIVIDE & RULE policy.
May it be MQM or any other ethinic party, they are just tools of this 5%.
This 5% is smart enough to make us fight with each other and ignoring real problem maker.
dying of innocents is just occasion of feast for this class, we have seen the president of Pakistan dancing on eve of 12 May, when around 40 people were killed...
So even before acknowleding the problem, one should see the source of the problem. then the proper actions can be taken.
I have said this many time on each and every forum of life, Altaf, Wali, Mengal, GM syed etc are nothing but the people who have created problem for the common man, so that they can florish.
I agree to the fact that Urdu Speaking community have been pushed back, but the question is, which community in Pakistan is being treated well?
Punjabi? most of them live below poverty line, selling their kids and commiting suicides because they cannot buy their kids meal for single day..
or u think the farmer ( in Sindh, Punjab, NWFP and Balochistan) who works in heat of June, July and freezing temp of December January and still his family is starving, whereas the their separate meal for the pets of these landlords?
Dear Brother, our society may have talent, may have great potential, what they lack is Social Justice... If they get his right, every other piece will fall in place, the forces opposing this system to be applied are the very tools of 5%.
Lets hope for a Just System in Pakistan, where best man for the job should be te criteria rather than any pathetic quota system...
So read below. Also, if the ANP didnt cause those 220 deaths, and if you cant prove their 1963 attrocities (when they didnt even exist), I guess ANP comes out clean
how predictable of you! go back to the same post and check again; 2nd QUOTE this time.