Re: Historical Ladies you don't like but impressed of them.
That is the point, but dead bodies sometimes didn't work, as was the case with Miss Fatima Jinah. Its all about facing odd situations and getting there, which is common between Benazir and Indira. Probably, situation was tougher for Benazir.
Then there's also an argument that Fatimah Jinnah never made any serious attempts to cash her brother's death nor followed the concept of 'revange politics' with so much zeal and conviction like Bhutto and women of Ghandi household. These women treated politics like family business, self entitlement was spoon fed to them and for that reason, they cannot be compared to truly humble, ideologically committed, honest and pacifist woman like Fatima Jinnah. She was too good to play revange and ultimate blood politics like the other narcissist duo.
Re: Historical Ladies you don't like but impressed of them.
Indian history has only few noticable women most of them were inconsequtional in longer term except Indira, except victory over Pakistan in 1971, she did nothing honourable in her life, for sonia, let history be the judge
Re: Historical Ladies you don't like but impressed of them.
The great woman who pioneered the practice of female political activism in Sub-Continent became the first major victim of the dark and dirty politics she campaigned against all her life. The political defeat of Fatimah Jinnah was in fact the ideological death of her brother’s Pakistan. Jinnah’s Pakistan was murdered the day Ayub Khan got into the power. I personally see Fatima Jinnah as one of the finest female political and social activist and a distinguished philanthropist to come out of South Asia. I believe she was ambitious and certainly committed to politics but without exercising any great sense of pride, arrogance, self entitlement and vindictiveness Bhutto was known for.
With Bhutto, I think she was lucky that vast majority Pakistani public profoundly loved her father and absolutely loathed Zia. She definitely made a very good use of political situation and all the support she had around her.
As with the real question of your thread, it's very difficult for me to get impressed by people I genuinely don't respect or admire their actions in anyway, unless I know them personally. To be frank, I did look upto Bhutto as a teenager and being called Benezir even as a tease used to sound like a compliment but now, my grown up and wiser self usually raises an eyebrow followed by a quick rhetorical 'what, what did you say' response?. However, the silent socialist in me would never ever forgive Maggie Thatcher. That woman was vile.
Re: Historical Ladies you don't like but impressed of them.
Indian history has only few noticable women most of them were inconsequtional in longer term except Indira, except victory over Pakistan in 1971, she did nothing honourable in her life, for sonia, let history be the judge
so no admiration for any female from sub-continent history? BTW, are there any prominent Sikh ladies in history, who have some influence on history? We are only hearing about Gurus and then Ranjit Singh as prominent Sikh personalities.
Re: Historical Ladies you don't like but impressed of them.
I'd promised myself to get back to this topic as deep inside my mind, I knew there is a woman I'm impressed with but don't necessary admire her. If that makes any sense.
So, that woman is Anne Boleyn, the second wife of King Henry VIII. She is without a doubt the most controversial women of English History and arguably the only feminist woman of her time, a true female force a free thinker, a radical, a man stealer, conspirator- all in all, a notorious Queen. I'm basically impressed with her rebellious spirit, she was clearly too smart, strong and sultry for her time. The only female operator of male dominated political world. An ambitious reformist, and without Anne, the famous break with Rome would not have happened, if it wasn't for this 'witch', England would have been as Holy as Vatican (well not exactly) . It is quite fascinating to think there was a woman in 16th Century who proved that woman's place extends beyond her husband's bed and that's the part of her appeal. How can a woman, who is not even royal blood, have such profound influence on King's political affairs and change the fate of the country? Sadly in a sexist patriarchal society, when you cannot handle a ferociously independent, intellectual and indifferent woman, you use false adultery charges as an only main weapon to destroy her. Same thing happened to Anne Boleyn and despite her all shortcomings and irresponsible behaviour, I take the view that she was much more sinned against than sinning. She has been the victim of more black propaganda than any other woman in history and to use Historian Eric Ives' words to sum up my thoughts, she was probably someone to be respected than liked.
After writing all that and thinking about her in great deal, I think I actually do like her more, so that kind of makes my post totally off topic. Great, now I need to think about another woman that I don't like but like at the same time.