his point is.........

a thread opened by azad munna was closed by admin, it was titled hinduism cant say no to anything. I think azads point is that hinduism allows homosexuality, adultery murder, prostitution, fornication and like that…can anyone tell me if hinduism doesnt allow such terrible acts?

i dont see why the thread was closed, if a religion allows all evil acts then shouldnt it be discussed what effects those permiitted evil acts allowed in hinduism have on peaceful life in society

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First, let me say that this view of that religion must specifically define the way that men should act is extremely odd; and also that if a religion/culture somehow deviates from the laws that your culture dictates for men, then necessarily that culture/religion deserves to be subjugated. Especially in a tradition like Hinduism, where what constitutes "sin" is left up to the individual.

Anyway, here are pertinent verses from the Thirukural:

Murder
Verse 321 What is virtuous conduct? It is never destroying life, For killing leads to every other sin.
Verse 322 Of all the virtues summed by ancient sages the foremost are these: To partake of food one has shared and to protect all living creatures.
Verse 323 Not killing is the first and foremost good. The virtue of not lying comes next.
Verse 324 What is the good way? It is the path that reflects on How it may avoid killing any living creature.
Verse 325 Among all who disown the world out of dismay, the foremost are They who, dismayed with death-dealing, embrace non-killing.
Verse 326 Life-devouring death will not assail the living days Of one whose code of conduct is to never kill.
Verse 327 Refrain from taking precious life from any living being, Even to save your own life.
Verse 328 By sacrifice of life some gain great wealth and good, But sagacious men scorn such gains.

** Adultery **
Verse 141 Those who know well virtue's laws and property's rights Do not Never indulge in the folly of desiring another man's wife.
Verse 142 Among those who stand outside virtue, there is no greater fool Than he who stands with a lustful heart outside another's gate.
Verse 143 No different from the dead are those who Wickedly desire the wife of a friend.
Verse 144 Though a man's measure is mountainous, what good is it If he takes another's wife without the minutest concern?
Verse 145 A man who seduces another man's wife, knowing she is easy, Suffers a shame which neither dies nor diminishes.
Verse 146 Hatred, sin, fear and disgrace-these four Will never relinquish the man who commits adultery.
Verse 147 He is decreed a worthy householder Who holds no desire for the womanliness of another's wife.
Verse 148 The noble chivalry that does not look upon another's wife Is not mere virtue-it is saintly conduct.
Verse 149 In a world imperiled by the fearsome sea, to whom will good things Belong? To men never impassioned to caress a married woman.
Verse 150 Though a man deserts virtue and indulges in vice, He keeps some decency by not wanting another's wife's womanliness.

** Pretty much any sinful act **
Verse 201 Wicked men do not fear, but worthy men dread, The arrogance of sinful deeds.
Verse 202 From evil springs forth more evil. Therefore, evil is to be feared even more than fire.
Verse 203 To commit no wrong, even against one's enemies, Is said to be supreme wisdom.
Verse 204 Only the forgetful plot another's ruin; others remember That virtue itself devises a plotter's downfall.
Verse 205 Do not commit wrongful deeds, claiming to be poor. For such deeds only cause one to be poorer still.
Verse 206 Let him who wishes to be free from afflictions' pain Avoid inflicting harm on others.
Verse 207 One can escape from hate-filled enemies, But one's own hateful acts will relentlessly pursue and destroy hi
Verse 208 As a man's shadow follows his footsteps wherever he goes, Even so will destruction pursue those who commit sinful deeds.
Verse 209 If a man feels fond affection for himself, Let him not indulge in immoral deeds, however insignificant.
Verse 210 Know that a man will be defended against destruction If he does not deviate from Right and act iniquitously.

Verse 651 Good friendships bring wealth to a man, But goodness of action fulfills his every desire.
Verse 652 Actions which bring fame but no real benefit Are to be avoided always.
Verse 653 Declaring that their future will be brighter, Men desist from deeds that darken glory's light.
Verse 654 However troubled the times, men of unperturbable perception Never commit shameful or sordid deeds.
Verse 655 Do nothing that would make you regret, "What have I done!" However, do not remain regretful if regrettable deeds do occur.
Verse 656 Though he must behold his own mother's hunger, Let a man refrain from deeds that wise men condemn.
Verse 657 The worst poverty of worthy men is far better Than wealth amassed by improper means.
Verse 658 Even when accomplished, forbidden deeds afflict sorrow On those who seek after, rather than shun, them.
Verse 659 What is gained by tears will go by tears. In the end, goodness Reaps many good things, though it begins with loss.
Verse 660 Protecting the country by wrongly garnered wealth Is like preserving water in an unbaked pot of clay.

And really, it goes on and on about various topics about the goodness of man and society (glory, honor, virtue, etc.).

My knowledge abt Hinduism is probably as much as hinduism’s knowledge about me!

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i.e. approximately ‘zilch’!

Still, there are a large number of followers of hindusim in the world (infact, India may soon be the most populist country in the world)… therefore I found it extremely odd that any religion could condone all those acts which were mentioned by Azad Munna or sufimaster. I would have assumed that the post was produced based on some evidence (I had missed Azad’s post).

Astrofan’s reply makes it evident that such sinful activities are not allowed. The philosophy of hinduism is completely different from Islam. So, I would take astrofan’s words on their face value that ‘what constitutes “sin” is left up to the individual’. This concept is quite unusal for muslims, but we must not look at all other religions from an islamic stand-point.

Like all religions, we can not take the conduct of an average person to imply what the religion dictates (generally). Otherwise most muslims don’t pray five times, don’t fast and generally lie as much as anyone. This does not mean that these activities are allowed or condoned in Islam.

This is my take on this issue. Take it easy, and as always, please show as much dignity, restraint and respect in discussing any faith/belief as you would expect others to give to your own.

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Adios!

astrofan bro

thanks for telling me the real beliefs of hinduism.

can you also tell me what hinduism says about drugs, prostitution, fornication, rape, incest

etc.

also some of the verses in the holy book say that not to commit evil but does it specify anywhere whats evil and what isnt...you have mentioned murder but wht about other acts.

thanks for your time