Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
The whole world was telling Pakistan about their madrassas being training ground for fanatics - but as usual pakistanis did not care because these fanatics where blowing up innocent people in India. Which is OK?
Now these Jihadis have decided to bite the very hand which fed them, the law inforcement personnel, even the moderates - anyone who opposes them in Pakistan.
What you sow, you shall reap.
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
Malhot, while i do see why you would say that. You have to understand, it's more complicated than that. It's not simple algebra. There are so many factors involved in it.
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What facts did India really have when they blamed everything on Pakistan?
the facts which world trusts except pakistan
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How right you are. India has no terrorists or terrorist groups at all. And the list below is also fiction:
I quote some of many:
It beats the Pakistani list by miles.
It seems as India is still sleeping, while Pakistan has finally realized.
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
The whole world was telling Pakistan about their madrassas being training ground for fanatics - but as usual pakistanis did not care because these fanatics where blowing up innocent people in India. Which is OK?
Now these Jihadis have decided to bite the very hand which fed them, the law inforcement personnel, even the moderates - anyone who opposes them in Pakistan.
What you sow, you shall reap.
Indian MadarC*** Government is using these sick Mullah to destroy Pakistan while Pakistani agency have taken a sleeping pills.
IT time to Clean up FATA and create 5 smaller provinces out of FATA and NWFP.
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nGenius: By saying that you will not be looking for the root causes of the predictment Pakistan finds itself. And without that things cannot improve.
Ali_R - honestly tell me - you have visited India recently. Was the law and order situation better or worst than Pakistan. Do girls ride bicycles and move freely around. Did you see Mosques, church & temples co existing peacefully or not. Where the people despondent. Was the morale low. Were the people scared of these terrorist you have listed? (I have not even heard of them before)
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i have never heard about anyof those groups in my life…
shyte people make up…
they need to update the list… here is few more from me..
ram gali-2 dhobi ghat liberation organization
people living on poles liberation organization
alien liberation orgainzation
etc etc…
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Ali_R: Thanks for showing that site. This is what it says about Pakistan:
*Extremist Islam is, and has long been, the state’s principal tool of internal political mobilisation and of external projection in an extraordinary and audacious enterprise of strategic overextension. Crucially, the footprint of almost every major act of international Islamist terrorism, for some time before 9/11 and continuously thereafter, invariably passes through Pakistan. *
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the facts which world trusts except pakistan
Didn't many of the "facts" after some bombing in India presented to other "leaders" of the world get shrugged off?
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:biggthumb..hilarious reply…I too never heard of those terrorist orginisations operating in India…
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
Ali_R - honestly tell me - you have visited India recently. Was the law and order situation better or worst than Pakistan. Do girls ride bicycles and move freely around. Did you see Mosques, church & temples co existing peacefully or not. Where the people despondent. Was the morale low. Were the people scared of these terrorist you have listed? (I have not even heard of them before)
Yes girls ride bikes, girls have scooters, yes girls move freely around. But Its no different in major cities of Pakistan. I have seen girls riding bikes in Lahore. Mosques, churches and temples co exist peacefully in Pakistan as well. There has never been much of a worry of terrorists, but the bombings in Lahore have made people mistrust their neighbours, their societies and Army + Government.
A lot of fear is among the people now, which favours RAW a lot! Accept that!
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i have never heard about anyof those groups in my life... shyte people make up... they need to update the list... here is few more from me..
ram gali-2 dhobi ghat liberation organization people living on poles liberation organization alien liberation orgainzation etc etc...
Kaka, you dont have to accept everything listed here.
Make some research on the site I have posted above.
You will notice Its one of the least sites left on the inet, which is not pro-Indian nor pro-Pakistan.
But I know you rather prefer articles, stats, facts from timesofindia or rediff only.
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
Ali_R: Thanks for showing that site. This is what it says about Pakistan:
*Extremist Islam is, and has long been, the state’s principal tool of internal political mobilisation and of external projection in an extraordinary and audacious enterprise of strategic overextension. Crucially, the footprint of almost every major act of international Islamist terrorism, for some time before 9/11 and continuously thereafter, invariably passes through Pakistan. *
Malhot, does It change reality? Do you think I'm convinced that Pakistan was never involved in the creation of Taliban and other extremists?
It would be ignorant of me!
And you guys have to realize that RAW is not a travell agency known for Its reputation for recommanding best location and hot spots in Pakistan.
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I do realise 'RAW' is an intellegence agency - but I do not think it is capable of the extreme turmoil witnessed in Pakistan these days.
Most of the violence in Pakistan seems to be home grown.
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
I do realise 'RAW' is an intellegence agency - but I do not think it is capable of the extreme turmoil witnessed in Pakistan these days.
Most of the violence in Pakistan seems to be home grown.
RAW doesn't need to start the whole fire, just provide some air and fuel to the existing coals.
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Ali_R, Ehtesab,
Guys, you have convinced yourself RAW HAD to be involved and THEN interpreting all news and events based on that.
Apart from RAW's incapability to wreck this kind of havoc, you have to think a bit about motive. The only thing India is worried about when it comes to Pakistan affairs is the risk of some radicals acquiring material for dirty bombs (some others may go to the extent of acquiring the actual nuclear devices).
Why would RAW further destabilize Pakistan which would raise the probability of this risk?
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
Ali_R, Ehtesab,
Guys, you have convinced yourself RAW HAD to be involved and THEN interpreting all news and events based on that.
Apart from RAW's incapability to wreck this kind of havoc, you have to think a bit about motive. The only thing India is worried about when it comes to Pakistan affairs is the risk of some radicals acquiring material for dirty bombs (some others may go to the extent of acquiring the actual nuclear devices).
Why would RAW further destabilize Pakistan which would raise the probability of this risk?
You got it right there, thats the "motive" for India, to bring Pakistan to the brink where whole agrees that Pakistan's nukes should be neutered, that way India will be safe from Pakistan's nukes. Thats one motive, do you need more?
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Etashab: you could have a point there # 75.
So why not make peace the main aim between the two countries.
RAW & ISI can then be reigned in to tackle the internal problems only.
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
You got it right there, thats the "motive" for India, to bring Pakistan to the brink where whole agrees that Pakistan's nukes should be neutered, that way India will be safe from Pakistan's nukes. Thats one motive, do you need more?
far fetched doesn't begin to describe this!
Re: Hindustan carrying out terrorist attacks in Pakistan...?
Etashab: you could have a point there # 75.
So why not make peace the main aim between the two countries.
RAW & ISI can then be reigned in to tackle the internal problems only.
far fetched doesn't begin to describe this!
First things first. Current wave of attack is not of Hindustani origin, now matter how we cut it.
This does not mean that India is not an enemy as it will remain so as long as Pakistan survives. There are plenty of examples from Kashmir, to Bdesh, to Siachin, that clearly show that India has a long history of anti-Pakistan activities. And no you can't just wish those dark and bloody incidents away by simply stating them as "tit-for-tat" acts.
Coming back to the recent posts! Problem with the likes of Ehtasab is simple. They are focusing on just one enemy aka India. And this is the biggest problem with many Pakistanis.
In this fast changing world there are many more enemies of Pakistan. Some of them are states such as Russia, Turkey, and Iran. But the biggest enemy of Pakistan that is being consistently ignored by Pakistanis is danger originating from the stateless Arab or Muslim militants.
Why do I say Arab or Muslim danger is much bigger than India's? Well for one thing, we know and understand Indians, and fully realize their ill-intentions. Additionally we can easily go to war in traditional sense and Indian planners know about this too. That keeps them on their toes. Thus it makes India much less of an enemy. Moreover we ought to realize that usually nations do not fall due to external and well known threats.
On the other hand, nations do fall, when they cannot detect an internal (and may be external) enemy. The one that comes from within or comes in as a friend form outside. That way Arab and Muslim inspired threat is far larger than what Pakistan has ever seen.
You guys must realize that the modus operan-di of the Indians is also different. They have to rely on a very specific section of Pakistani society. Even today, you go to FATA and ask anyone to conspire against Pakistan with the help of a Hindu, and you will be spat at, if not killed. The same thing is true in most of Punjab, Kashmir, Sindh, and Balochistan. That's why Indians can only rely on leftist organizations like BLA in Balochistan, or the ex-Northern Alliance people in Afghanistan, and small leftist groups in frontier and Punjab.
Arab militant danger on the other hand is much more complex as they rely on their religious supporters from all over Pakistan. That means they have found willing recruits from almost every region in Pakistan:
These three groups dominate Pakistani population, and thus we have a huge threat on our hand.
As long as Ehtasab and others will ignore the second threat, Pakistan would continue to suffer.