There is quite a major difference between Sikhism & Hinduism - the main difference being monotheism & polytheism, then how do they peacefully live together in India? I mean the muslims & hindus have a history of their conflicts based on religion when India-Pakistan were one. How come the issue isn’t at the same scale when it comes to Hindus & Sikhs?
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DD IMO the communities having different religions (be it Hindu- Muslim, Hindu-Sikh) lived in harmony for centuries sharing same culture and language and religion never remain instigating factor for conflicts.
As far as Hindu-Sikh relationship is concerned, it also gone through bitter times specially during Golden temple issue. Again the issue at that time was not of religious conflict.
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The problem is the basic definition of continuous way of life, Hinduism, It doesn't qualify as religion itself as it has not originated from one single person or there is no central figure(s) in Hinduism, secondly Hinduism is monotheistic as much as it is polytheistic. Sikhs and Hindus even have matrimonial alliances even to this day and majority of Sikh converts were Hindus barring few Muslims and Buddhists.
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This means Sikh religion got more attention of Hindus than Muslims? Is is due to similar / identical ideas of both the religions (Hinduism-Sikhi) or locals were at ease to embrace a religion based on local ideology than that of foreign one (Islam)?
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This means Sikh religion got more attention of Hindus than Muslims? Is is due to similar / identical ideas of both the religions (Hinduism-Sikhi) or locals were at ease to embrace a religion based on local ideology than that of foreign one (Islam)?
May be both. GuruGranthSahib mentions the writing of 36 persons including Gurus, out of 36, 16 are Kashmiri pandits, mainly Bhatts. AdiGranth's essence is very much similar to basic hindu teaching, Hindus never had problem of embracing any religion to this day, Sufi mazaars like that of Ajmer and Delhi attracts very large number of Hindus, similarly on any general or festive occasion there will be as many Hindus in Gurudwaras as much as Sikhs. It is much easier for hindus to followe two relgions simelatneously than any other faith due to Hinduism's basic nature of assimilation of thought.
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May be both. GuruGranthSahib mentions the writing of 36 persons including Gurus, out of 36, 16 are Kashmiri pandits, mainly Bhatts. AdiGranth's essence is very much similar to basic hindu teaching, Hindus never had problem of embracing any religion to this day, Sufi mazaars like that of Ajmer and Delhi attracts very large number of Hindus, similarly on any general or festive occasion there will be as many Hindus in Gurudwaras as much as Sikhs. It is much easier for hindus to followe two relgions simelatneously than any other faith due to Hinduism's basic nature of assimilation of thought.
And that is probably the reason behind inter-religion marriages. A little off topic, but were the marriages between Hindus and other religions common before Mughal Era?
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And that is probably the reason behind inter-religion marriages. A little off topic, but were the marriages between Hindus and other religions common before Mughal Era?
Hinduism doesn't know of any other religion, according to Hinduism every one is hindu, the word Naastik means non believer, loosely referring non believer in god as well non believer in sacred text, the relgion is poorly coded as well. During vedic times anyone can marry in any caste. then it became rigid, and marriage came under caste conditions, Sikhi is the only religion that Hindus agreed to marry because all castes in sikhi like Brahmin, Jats, Khatris, Aroras, Chammars are found in Hinduism as well, there is no social and ethnic difference between two castes following two religions, Some of Brahmins, especially Mohyal, descendent of warrior Brahmin Parshuram followed the tradition of raising elder son of the family as Sikh, they are now called Brahmin Sikhs and the culture of inter marrying is followed even to this day.
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Hinduism doesn't know of any other religion, according to Hinduism every one is hindu, the word Naastik means non believer, loosely referring non believer in god as well non believer in sacred text, the relgion is poorly coded as well. During vedic times anyone can marry in any caste. then it became rigid, and marriage came under caste conditions, Sikhi is the only religion that Hindus agreed to marry because all castes in sikhi like Brahmin, Jats, Khatris, Aroras, Chammars are found in Hinduism as well, there is no social and ethnic difference between two castes following two religions, Some of Brahmins, especially Mohyal, descendent of warrior Brahmin Parshuram followed the tradition of raising elder son of the family as Sikh, they are now called Brahmin Sikhs and the culture of inter marrying is followed even to this day.
Nice information. So locals were more at ease with the castes and continue to marry inspite of different religions?
Knowing that Sikhi is a comparatively new religion and as discussed above Hindus and Muslims converted to it, so there must be some converts not from the similar castes as mentioned. So do Hindus also are at ease to marry those converts?
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Nice information. So locals were more at ease with the castes and continue to marry inspite of different religions?
Knowing that Sikhi is a comparatively new religion and as discussed above Hindus and Muslims converted to it, so there must be some converts not from the similar castes as mentioned. So do Hindus also are at ease to marry those converts?
Actually castes were same across religions, Hindu khatri=Sikh Khatri=Muslim Sheikh, like Najam Sethi is ethnically similar to Permeet sethi. similarly Hindu Jaat= Sikh Jatt= Muley Jaat, Hindu Rajput= sikh Rajput= meo rajput.
Hence when people converted from one religion to another there caste system were more or less intact. Hence there conversion in Sikhi didn't affect local customs much. And caste system despite being opposed by Sikhi in theology but Sikhs still do have castes and marry with in castes.
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Muley Jatt reminds me famous Pakistani Punjabi movie ‘Maula Jatt’. 
Whats the story behind mona Sik (3/4th Sikh) or a Sikh without beard like Jagjeet Sigh? Whats the importance of 5 ‘k’ in Sikhi - Kirpaan, Kesh, Kachera, Kanga, Kara?
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It is good movie:D
mouna sikh means non practicing sikh, even Hindus are called mona punjabi, Not only Jagjeet singh but even Gulzar, Ajay devgan and Akshay Kumar are in same category.
5 kakka, as you mentioned are the attire of khalsa army comprising of Sant-Sipahi, people who are sipahi by profession and sant in personality, this was an attempt to converge Brahmin and Kshtriya qualities in each soldier. Fighting Pandits were always dangerous, be it Ravan or Parshuram!
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So you’ve also watched Maula jatt… Maule nu maula na mari te maula nai marda & Nawa ayaa ea sohniya 
So more examples, we have of Sikh-Hindu marriages from bollywood. 
I think Raakhi Gulzar, Kajol & Twinkle Khanna are all Hindu.
So 5 ka are purely related to army and nothing to do with common Sikhs?
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Even Mahie Gill, Neha Dhupia and Sunny Leone are also Sikhs:D, God knows who would marry them:D
Entire Kapoor Khandan is of originally Pashtoon Hindus:). Bollywood doesn’t care about any religion or ethnicity in personal matters.
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Even Mahie Gill, Neha Dhupia and Sunny Leone are also Sikhs:D, God knows who would marry them:D Entire Kapoor Khandan is of originally Pashtoon Hindus:). Bollywood doesn't care about any religion or ethnicity in personal matters.
Mera yeh sawab (puniya) kamane ka filhal koi irada nahi. :D
I agree to bollywood not caring about personal matters like religion, etc. Even Salma Agha's mother was probably cousin of Raj Kapoor.
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So 5 ka are purely related to army and nothing to do with common Sikhs?
These warrior sikhs are also called Amritdhari Sikhs, rest are just practicing sikhs, but having long hairs, comb, karra is common though.
Mera yeh sawab (puniya) kamane ka filhal koi irada nahi. :D
I agree to bollywood not caring about personal matters like religion, etc. Even Salma Agha's mother was probably cousin of Raj Kapoor.
Sindh ke liye Bhutoo aur Zardari he bahut hai, I don't have idea about idea about Salma Agha and Kapoor family,
Lekin Altaf Hussain londonwaley aur laloo prasad biharwaley ka koi na koi connection zaroor hoga:D
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Sindh ke liye Bhutoo aur Zardari he bahut hai, I don't have idea about idea about Salma Agha and Kapoor family,
Lekin Altaf Hussain londonwaley aur laloo prasad biharwaley ka koi na koi connection zaroor hoga:D
The only Bhutto I like is Fatima Bhutto.
Altaf Bhai aur Laloo ka wohi connection hai jo UP-Bihar ka hai :D
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Keeping the caste system aside, isn't the difference between monotheism & polytheism enough to not want to marry into the other religion? That is a huge difference Sikhism & Hinduism has.
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um daffybatakh, did you read any of the posts between your first post and last post? :P
in addition to what kaur bibi said, your idea that the conflict between hindus and muslims is one between monotheism and polytheism is not true. it is more about exclusion and inclusion of people of the other faith in every day activities. sikhism is very inclusive and welcoming to all segments of hindus with no regard paid to caste, at least in principle.
the biggest conflicts are often between those with very small differences in religious ideas. jews and muslims - pretty much the same core religion, same dietary laws, same values, but hey how did that one turn out.
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Islam & Hinduism have a big difference in terms of living styles e.g. eating meat, wearing a veil, not eating pork .. you know daily activities. Probably, you're right. Such miniature-natured differences don't exist much in Sikhism & Hinduism.
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again, i don't think eating pork, or eating meat or the veil have been issues between hindus and muslims historically. pork has never been common outside of goa and some other christian enclaves, hindus themselves have divisions on the basis of eating meat, mutton has historically been the choice over beef until the last 60-70 years, hindus and sikhs have also worn veils, covered their hair/head. these are not the conflicts that lead to riots and strife.