Hindus how is Kukari ki Rasam" (Thread Ritual) done?

Ibrahim says Greetings of peace to one and all

Dear Hindus,

Can any of you explain this “Kukari ki Rasam” (Thread Ritual) and how it works?

Ibrahim says : another interesting ritual to test women

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Other tests are the ** “Paani ki Dheej” (purity by water) or a modern-day version of the “Agnipariksha” (trial by fire), which Lord Rama’s wife, Sita, faced in the Hindu epic Ramayana. **
** “I stayed submerged in water while a neutral person walked 100 steps,” said a victim who proved her virginity by holding her breath under water.**

As part of the trial by fire,** brides are made to walk with a piece of red-hot iron with just seven betel leaves held together with a thin layer of dough to shield their hands.** Women whose palms get burned are considered impure.

But the government says it is powerless since few Sansi women dare go public with the problem. “The government of Rajasthan cannot do anything but educate the people against this custom,” women’s minister Inam said. “Whatever happens in the house is between the husband and the wife.”

Ibrahim asks :

  1. why not do all this before the marriage?, IF one must be sure that their partner is a virgin or not?

  2. And how about tests for the male? Are they any where a man has to prove he is pure to the women?

  3. How many of you had gone through this or will have to go through this?

Regards
Ibrahim

hindusim is the most ignonrant religion or myth, full of such weird traditions and insane beliefs.
Thanks for sharing.

Dear mischief maker Ibrahim,

Greetings and peace to you.

If you understand English, then you'll see it is a ritual of a tribal community named Sansi. This has nothing to do with Hinduism nor is any average Hindu aware of it. There are medieval tribal beliefs prevalent over Indian subcontinent from witch hunting to honor killing. This is followed by Hindus, Muslims, Christians, animists etc etc.

Talking about virginity test, there is one custom prevalent in some parts of Iran. The blood-stained bedsheet has to be shown to the family members after first night of marriage. Does that mean Islam is "full of such weird traditions and insane beliefs" ?

P.S. Why don't you start a similar thread?

Dear Muslims, How is Karo-kari done?

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Originally posted by Amitayus:
If you understand English, then you'll see it is a ritual of a tribal community named Sansi. This has nothing to do with Hinduism nor is any average Hindu aware of it.
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Ibrahim says: Amitayus dear, apparently you did not understand ENGLISH too well so let me quote again from the news paper article quoted by me earlier.

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Other tests are the "Paani ki Dheej" (purity by water) or a modern-day version of the "Agnipariksha" (trial by fire),** which Lord Rama's wife, Sita, faced in the Hindu epic Ramayana. **

"I stayed submerged in water while a neutral person walked 100 steps," said a victim who proved her virginity by holding her breath under water.

As part of the trial by fire, brides are made to walk with a piece of red-hot iron with just seven betel leaves held together with a thin layer of dough to shield their hands. Women whose palms get burned are considered impure.
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Ibrahim says: Thus as usual it is one form of denial or another, why are you worried about who does it in India and who does not, all I wanted to know was how it is done, if you are ignorant of it, just say so or at least find out how it is done and let me know, if possible.

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Talking about virginity test, there is one custom prevalent in some parts of Iran. The blood-stained bedsheet has to be shown to the family members after first night of marriage. Does that mean Islam is "full of such weird traditions and insane beliefs" ?
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Ibrahim says: Now this is good point, but that does not answer my question does it, instead of answering the question you have just slandered your own sacred practices.

Regards
Ibrahim

** If you are wake during day time, there is no need to burn the midnight oil **

Ibrahim says: Now this is good point, but that does not answer my question does it, instead of answering the question you have just slandered your own sacred practices.

Ibrahim dear, this is indeed a slanderous practise and has no sanction in Hinduism.

They have drawn an analogy of these gory incidents with Agni Pariksha. This has stemmed from their lack of knowledge, superstitous beliefs and have NOTHING to do with Hinduism. THESE ARE ALL TRIBAL AND LOCAL BELIEFS.

P.S. This is not a sacred practise, this is a horrible one. You can attend any Hindu marriage and check out.

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Originally posted by Amitayus:
Ibrahim dear, this is indeed a slanderous practise and has no sanction in Hinduism.
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Ibrahim says : Amitayus dear, I hope you do agree my English was well and fine and you were the one who had problems . same goes for claiming I am mischief maker when it is your brethren who seem to be the culprits on this forum and I am here to educate them in this virtual medium as best as I could.

Having said that, how is that possible when it is recorded in Ramayana? Are you saying Agni Pariksha is actually not performed in all hindu marriages only some or is NEVER done at any time? Or it was only done by Rama to check out sita and others cannot do it?

BTW how do you do your Agni Pariksha? Meaning what is done in this ritual, is ot same as mentioned by Reuters or some other kind?

Regards
Ibrahim

Ibrahim dear,

I still stick to what I said earlier. You're here to make mischief and ridicule Hinduism.

I again say you do not understand English because the article never says this is prevalent amongst all Hindus. This is prevalent amongst certain tribals in Rajasthan. They drew the analogy with Sita's Agni Pariksha. But that doesn't mean it is sanctioned in Hinduism.

FYKI, during Ram-Sita's marriage there was NO Agni Pariksha, during the marriage of other mythological characters in Ramayana & Mahabharat there was NO Agni Pariksha. Agni Pariksha is a different concept under a different context.

I got married under Hindu custom but there was NO Agni Pariksha. What the Hindus instead have is Agni Sakshi ie keeping Agni as testimony.

We Hindus treat Agni (Fire) as manifestation of God, you can go through our Vedas. In front of God, the holy nuptial knot is tied.

And regarding the marriage customs, it varies from region to region and even from place to place.

P.S. Why are you burning your midnight oil or daylight sunrays or whatever on us pagan idolators? Do you ever see me ridiculing your faith or tearing my hairs interpreting Hadiths? Just curious.

ibrahim more and more girls are loosing their
virginity in india and pakistan now than ever beofore at least in cities. in villlges it may be different.

Ibrahim,
These practices are wrong and are primitive. I am personally for the eradication of these things which oppress women.

By, the by can you please give links to the articles that you post. I believe that is the rule for starting a thread in this forum.

My roomie believes that such practices came from Islamic culture. Many muslim groups in his state (asccording to him) practice this even in cities.

Victory, Nobody needs any rules to spit hate-rria on any religion, as long as it is not on Islam, in this forum!

What a shame!

We also know that virginity tests are conducted all over the mid-east. Recently we had the rage in turkey regarding these tests.

Refer this article

“…Forced virginity tests on girls suspected of having had premarital sex were common until the practice was banned in 1999, when five girls attempted suicide by taking rat poison rather than submit to the tests…”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe/newsid_1457000/1457919.stm

That’s the state of affairs in one of the most progressive islamic states in the world. I need not write about the state of women in other islamic countries

Where ever the practise of oppressing women are followed, they should be banned.

By, the by can you please give links to the articles that you post. I believe that is the rule for starting a thread in this forum.<<

Victory, rules of these forum about giving links don’t apply to Ibrahim.

‘Endukante Veedu Verri Puku’ !!!

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Ibrahim, I agree with you these practices are heinous, however you have to admit, they are not OFFCICIAL policy of the Indian Government, unlike say the policies of Saudi GOvernemnt which doesn’t allow Women to have a separate identity card(They have to have ‘Family’ cards!!

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or needs them to be escroted for almost everything except going to the bathroom

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Also, these have NO SANCTION from Hinduism unlike the sanction for covering up women, which Taliban atleast claims has a Religious sanction.

Yes ofcourse bad religious practices persist, chiefly a matter of educating people.
However in India if you burn a Widow, chances are you will be arrested whereas in an ‘Islamic’ country if you lock up a women chances are you will be given lollipops!!

Muslims, how is female genital mutilation done?


You're my girl
And that's all right
If you sting me
I won't mind
- Deftones

Ibrahim, you are the expert.
Why don’t you answer Sarah?
On this one, I will understand if you don’t give references and URLs

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Originally posted by rvikz:
ibrahim more and more girls are loosing their
virginity in india and pakistan now than ever beofore at least in cities. in villlges it may be different.

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Not in Pakistan, just in India. Pakistanis are not immoral and baysharm as indians.

I fail to understand why you use these sensitive issues, affecting millions of females, to score baseless points against each other. If you are secure, truly secure, with your own religion, then there is no need to worry about the customs of another religion.


The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed * Steve Biko

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Originally posted by Sarah Splendor:
**Muslims, how is female genital mutilation done?

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Well it's done in African tribal societies by both Muslims and ** non-Muslims. ** However, the ** Western media ** reports it's done among some Muslims societies. How pathetic, but very predictable.

May I also say that ** Islamic leaders in these nations have been using the Qur'an and Sunnah to educate the people to stop this practise. **

[This message has been edited by Indian_Muslim (edited March 19, 2002).]

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Originally posted by Amitayus:
**Do you ever see me ridiculing your faith or tearing my hairs interpreting Hadiths? Just curious.

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Well, your brethren-in-faith make a very sincere effort in doing that.

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Originally posted by Amitayus:
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Talking about virginity test, there is one custom prevalent in some parts of Iran. The blood-stained bedsheet has to be shown to the family members after first night of marriage. Does that mean Islam is "full of such weird traditions and insane beliefs" ?

Dear Muslims, How is Karo-kari done?

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I do not know of that, but I know for a fact ** that the Bible asks you to take a stainless cloth and insert in the vagina of the girl ** to be married just before she gets married. And then the blood-stained cloth is then shown to others to confirm that she was really a virgin.

It is still practised in ** Armenia (it's part of Europe !) ** and it atleast used to be practised (if not presently practised) among the ** Jews of the Middle-East. **

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Ibrahim says: greetings of peace to one and all,

O dear, what is all this commotion about? The question I asked where with regards to some rituals that were reported in an news paper article, all I wanted to know was

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How is kukari ki Rasam done?

1) why not do all this before the marriage?, IF one must be sure that their partner is a virgin or not?
2) And how about tests for the male? Are they any where a man has to prove he is pure to the women?
3) How many of you had gone through this or will have to go through this?
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Ibrahim says: instead of hindus answering these questions the hindus are doing the gang rape of the thread, Every time you guys start a thread you insist that others talk only about what you want to know, so why the double standards here??

If you do not know , say so , if you do, say so. Is that too much to ask???

Sheesz, …research involves asking questions , ** but my reason for this thread is not only research but more to educate the hindu goons who seem to be abusing the forum by spin doctoring and posing questions which may insinuate or denigrate other faiths. , which is being repeated over and over again by the hindus in this forum **

A doctor learns how to cure an illness ( his fundamental objective) at times, he has to provide medicine which may also affect other cells but that cannot be an excuse to not use the medicine ( which may be given at measured doses) and allow the cancer to develop till the whole body ends up dead.

Regard
Ibrahim

** we don’t plan to fail; we fail to plan **