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But what makes you believe so sternly that minorities don't want to live in Pakistan with an intensity any greater than citizens belonging to the majority? Isolated examples don't count. As far as I know, majority of the minority has no issues.
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Haris it was just in response when dawa claimed that their is not a minute discrimination against non muslims in Pakistan. And I claimed otherwise; with some questions. This was the reason I did not start writting about the cases, I did not want to derail the thread from main subject.
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*Hindus are very well treated and looked after in Pakistan. They have total freedom to practise their religion and enjoy thier life at free will. They have lot of economic power as they are good at business and are hard working people. This whole issue of thier mistreatment has been fabricated by the indians to hide their own discrimination and mistreatment of muslims. *
*Please read columns about minority treatment written by Mr. Irfan Hussain in Dawn. *
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But what makes you believe so sternly that minorities don't want to live in Pakistan with an intensity any greater than citizens belonging to the majority? Isolated examples don't count. As far as I know, majority of the minority has no issues.
Minorities have minimized from 10% to 2 % in Pakistan in last 50 years. (as per your explanations) Hindus leaving India, or Muslims leaving Pakistan do not cut down complete relations with the parental country, whereas youir minorites have been leaving Pakistan for ever.
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Minorities have minimized from 10% to 2 % in Pakistan in last 50 years. (as per your explanations) Hindus leaving India, or Muslims leaving Pakistan do not cut down complete relations with the parental country, whereas youir minorites have been leaving Pakistan for ever.
Does the decrease in the minorities take into account the fact that Pakistan lost half its territory, where about 10-15 percent of the population was Hindu or other?
Do your figures also take into account the porportion of population growth in relation to the increase in minority populations?
You comments just seem like Indian government propaganda which includes such classics as "India has MORE Muslims then Pakistan.."
Such propaganda lacks any real study or understanding, its just that, propaganda. So your comments are useless...
You really need to provide credible sources when you make such comments.
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Our govt ppl may be loons but they aren't SO stupid.
India has more muslims than the number of HINDUS in Pakistan, and that's ooobvious. I don't remember any of your politicians claiming that india had more muslims than pakistan.
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Does the decrease in the minorities take into account the fact that Pakistan lost half its territory, where about 10-15 percent of the population was Hindu or other? .
Yes, I am not talking about East Pakistan/ Bangladeash at all. Figures given are related to your territory only.
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Our govt ppl may be loons but they aren't SO stupid. India has more muslims than the number of HINDUS in Pakistan, and that's ooobvious. I don't remember any of your politicians claiming that india had more muslims than pakistan.
It doesnt matter how many Hindus Pakistan has... The point is that Indian govt has no accurate number of how many Muslims are actually in India.
Its assumed that India has about 150 million Muslims. This is less then Pakistans population, which in conservative estimates also about 150 million, but like everything else in Pak, this is generally believed to be well below the actual number. The actual number is probaby near 160 Million...
Pakistan is a big country, and you cant make such sweeping assumptions regarding the treatment of minorities.. While its far from ideal, Pakistan isnt as bad as your portray it... I mean, when was the last time you heard of Pakistani's partaking in mass ethnic riots?
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Yes, I am not talking about East Pakistan/ Bangladeash at all. Figures given are related to your territory only.
When you say that Pakistan had X amount of minorities, particularly Hindus when it was first created, then you have to include Bangladesh because it was part of Pakistan at independance... If your quoting figures on Pakistani minorites fifty years ago, then you would also be taking the former East Pakistan into account aswell. Thats why I suspect you dont know what your talking about, and may just be blindly following your govt figures, which are probably filled withmany such statistical errors.
If your not going to include Bangladesh, then you have to give figures for West Pakistan alone, which I dont think you have.
Also, you have to include the birth rates of minorities, and that of Muslims, and also the percentage of the minority population that have migrated to India etc... You cant JUST say minorities have decreased in Pakistan and then just make up your own conclusions...
I think they call that spin-Doctoring.
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*Please read columns about minority treatment written by Mr. Irfan Hussain in Dawn. *
Who made Irfan Hussain an authority on this issue? Go to the main street where minorities live and feel their daily life and activities. Hindues living in Pakistan are happy and prosperous and would never think of moving back to India.
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Get your facts right and stop reading too much Indian media.
http://www.pakistanchristianpost.com/editorialdetails.php?editorialid=18
Christians are 13 % of population of Pakistan. international media urged to reveal facts about christian population in Pakistan.
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Abdali sahib
Is that accurate? I was under the belief that we are 97% Muslim! 13% of Pakistan means some 20 million!
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I wouldn't be surprised. Accurate religion stats about Pakistan are hard to come by... there are so many different numbers available for what portion of Pakistanis are sunni and what are shia, let alone christian or muslim.
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Abdali sahib
Is that accurate? I was under the belief that we are 97% Muslim! 13% of Pakistan means some 20 million!
This was published by Dawn.com
Pakistani Christians: statistical data
I am a Pakistani American and a demographical statistician by
profession. I owe loyalty to my motherland particularly to Sialkot
region where I was educated. These days I come across news about
oppression of minorities the world over, including Pakistan, and
subsequent migration.
I can at least attest about my own Pakistani Christian community. The
propaganda of Christians being persecuted and forced to migrate to
other counties smacks of ill-conceived knowledge of demographic data.
In 1901 the Christians living in areas approximating West and East
Pakistan numbered 32,000. By the year 1961 in the same region their
number rose to 733,000. In 1972 even after the separation of East
Pakistan, in the present (West) Pakistan alone the Christian population
increased to 907,861 which rose to 1,310,426 in 1981 according to the
census of Pakistan. By the year 1997 they numbered 2,723,660, an
increase of 207% over 1981 figure.
Without indulging in any comparisons, which are always odious, with
other communities for the sake of reader's curiosity it is revealed
that the Muslim community numbering 81,450,057 in 1981 registered an
increase of 158% by the year 1997 by scoring 129,373,850. The Hindu
community increased by 192% from 1,276,116 in 1981 to 2,451,294 in
1997.
The above data reveals that my Christian community has achieved the
highest percentage increase among the religious communities in
Pakistan. They were only 0.07 pc of population in 1901 but now they are
about 2 pc. Their proportion to total population has increased about
28.5 times and their population has increased 85 times.
My sole purpose in presenting these demographical statistical data is
to infuse understanding among different communities and restrain the
minorities in Pakistan from falling prey to disintegrating political
propaganda to meet selfish ends at the cost of national cohesion and
unity.
HAROLD WILSON
Hicksville, NY, USA
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http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0107861.html
Islam 97% (Sunni 77%, Shiite 20%); Christian, Hindu, and other 3%
Re: Hindus feel the heat in Pakistan
Does the decrease in the minorities take into account the fact that Pakistan lost half its territory, where about 10-15 percent of the population was Hindu or other? Do your figures also take into account the porportion of population growth in relation to the increase in minority populations? You comments just seem like Indian government propaganda which includes such classics as "India has MORE Muslims then Pakistan.." Such propaganda lacks any real study or understanding, its just that, propaganda. So your comments are useless... You really need to provide credible sources when you make such comments.
No, I am talikng about your territory only. IN (West) Pakisan the minority population has come down from 10% to 2% or 3% in last 50 years.
Please tell us how you could get rid of minorities so successfully and even after that there are people like Abdali to lead others and himself into oblivion.
In Bangladesh the situatuin is worse.
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No, I am talikng about your territory only. IN (West) Pakisan the minority population has come down from 10% to 2% or 3% in last 50 years. Please tell us how you could get rid of minorities so successfully and even after that there are people like Abdali to lead others and himself into oblivion.
In Bangladesh the situatuin is worse.
Im sure being a Hindu in Bangladesh isnt all peaches and cream, but im willing to bet its not as bad as you say either...
Today, Muslims make up about 83 percent of Bangladeshs population while Hindus comprise 16 %. If your basing your whole argument on the percentage of minority populations, then Bangladesh's 16 percent Hindu population speaks for itself.
As for Pakistan, I think your not reading my responses very well..
You have given absolutely NO evidence supporting your claims, and even if those claim are true, and minority populations have decreased, then that still doesnt prove your point in regards to Pakistans treatment of its Hindu minority, because that decrease in population can be due to many varying factors...
And HOW do you know what percentage of the population in West Pakistan was Hindu at independance. We all know that migration continued well after partition, although in much fewer numbers from both sides.
YOU HAVE TO GIVE HARD PROOF THAT PAKISTANS MINORITES HAVE DECREASED, AND WHY... JUST SAYING IT HAS DECREASED IS USELESS..
ANSWER THESE QUESTIONS:
1. Is the population decrease only in relation to the very high Muslim birth rates?
2. What percentage of the Hindu population has migrated to India?
3. What is the Birth rate of Muslims today and what was it in 1945?
4. What is the birth rate for Hindus and what was it then?
If you cant answer these questions then you have no case, just Indian govt propaganda. Your arguments have no statistical value...
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No, I am talikng about your territory only. IN (West) Pakisan the minority population has come down from 10% to 2% or 3% in last 50 years. Please tell us how you could get rid of minorities so successfully and even after that there are people like Abdali to lead others and himself into oblivion.
In Bangladesh the situatuin is worse.
Excuse me! Abdali quotes the Pakistan Christian Post, and all you can come with is some site by the name of Infoplease and then claim that you are right! You bhookas are really getting on my nerves again.
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Excuse me! Abdali quotes the Pakistan Christian Post, and all you can come with is some site by the name of Infoplease and then claim that you are right! You bhookas are really getting on my nerves again.
This Shyan guy is just clutching at straw... Doesnt have much to stand on!
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Who made Irfan Hussain an authority on this issue? Go to the main street where minorities live and feel their daily life and activities. Hindues living in Pakistan are happy and prosperous and would never think of moving back to India.
Mr. Irfan Hussain is certainly not an authority on this issue but has the knack of reporting truth in an unbiased manner and that's what I like.