Hindus are oppressed in Pakistan

[vineshvk]

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@digitalSurgeon

india times story, and posted by a hindu. lol yeah right.

here BBC now..
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/4634813.stm

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@fartguru

digital OR dental surgeon? appears u hv one too many cavities which need to be filled urgently. Report published in Dawn by their correspondent can no way look like a India times story. Too much anesthesia or post lobotomy effects??

fartguru, you really disappoint me. You yourself have made bigger blunders when posting some stories, but no one used pathetic language against you, in fact they were quite courteous. It is now apparent that your visceral hatred of “Mullahism” has blinded your reality, where you have not much good to say about Pakistan, and will praise any anti-Pakistani person or view in pursuit of this obsession.

Some of us have suffered actually suffered as a result of terrorism from secular and religious groups, because we have happened to be the wrong Fiqh or ethnic group, but we will never make generlizations about Pakistan, and do down our nation.

[system]

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@Reza Pahlavi

fartguru, you really disappoint me. You yourself have made bigger blunders when posting some stories, but no one used pathetic language against you, in fact they were quite courteous. It is now apparent that your visceral hatred of “Mullahism” has blinded your reality, where you have not much good to say about Pakistan, and will praise any anti-Pakistani person or view in pursuit of this obsession.

Some of us have suffered actually suffered as a result of terrorism from secular and religious groups, because we have happened to be the wrong Fiqh or ethnic group, but we will never make generlizations about Pakistan, and do down our nation.

RP, yaar dont get me wrong bro. Firstly, let me start by apologizing to u and anyone else who may have been offended by my posts, irrespective of their validity.

Secondly, like u I also love my country and wud like to see the best come out rather than the negative publications we have to endure. But, self-critique and analysis is better than someone from outside telling u there is something wrong or sometimes its just too late.

Thirdly, u hv hinted of your experiences in Pak I can respect your feelings and will always try to be courteous when dealing with someones pain. Iam a Karachitte who has had the privelage and misfortune of of seeing Karachi/Pakistan at its best and then plunge into a cesspool of hate, deciet and total anarchy. Not that it needs to be mentioned, Iam sure there is hardly any family from Karachi which was not scarred by the events of 1970-onwards. Some maybe more. Me and my family hv had the honor of being part of Pakistan but at the same time suffered at the hands of the same ppl who were supposed to defend your right as a citizen. Thus the pain expressed in writings which reflect the true feelings of a person who is trying to expose those who hv bought Pakistan to this point where sometimes it seems as a point of no return. Thus the complete and utter frustration.

Once again, I wud reitirate, it is nice of u to be so candid in your posts, I will certainly take more care. Thanks

[system]

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@fartguru

Very much so my dear paindoo, why not come over and hv nihari with me, my treat. Venue: Burns Road or Azizabad, your pick.

You would probably kill me and my entire family for being Punjabi.. Thanks but no thanks. Its terrorist scum like you that peace loving people perfer to avoid..
But if you promise not to kill anyone then your welcome to do whatever you want, but asking that of an MQm terrorist is like asking a wolf to turn vegetarian!

[system]

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In all fairnss Farty, are you saying that Mohajirs were completely innocent of any wrong doing and all the crimes commited were at the hands of Pathans and especially Punjabis?

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@fartguru

RP, yaar dont get me wrong bro. Firstly, let me start by apologizing to u and anyone else who may have been offended by my posts, irrespective of their validity.

Secondly, like u I also love my country and wud like to see the best come out rather than the negative publications we have to endure. But, self-critique and analysis is better than someone from outside telling u there is something wrong or sometimes its just too late.

Thirdly, u hv hinted of your experiences in Pak I can respect your feelings and will always try to be courteous when dealing with someones pain. Iam a Karachitte who has had the privelage and misfortune of of seeing Karachi/Pakistan at its best and then plunge into a cesspool of hate, deciet and total anarchy. Not that it needs to be mentioned, Iam sure there is hardly any family from Karachi which was not scarred by the events of 1970-onwards. Some maybe more. Me and my family hv had the honor of being part of Pakistan but at the same time suffered at the hands of the same ppl who were supposed to defend your right as a citizen. Thus the pain expressed in writings which reflect the true feelings of a person who is trying to expose those who hv bought Pakistan to this point where sometimes it seems as a point of no return. Thus the complete and utter frustration.

Once again, I wud reitirate, it is nice of u to be so candid in your posts, I will certainly take more care. Thanks

I appreciate your reply, and sincerity. Just a question on the topic of oppression.

Don’t you agree that Muslims in India are oppressed, especially after what happened to them in Gujrat in 2002? Or after how they were massacred across India following the demolition of Babri Masjid by Hindu zealots?

[system]

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@Reza Pahlavi

I appreciate your reply, and sincerity. Just a question on the topic of oppression.

Don’t you agree that Muslims in India are oppressed, especially after what happened to them in Gujrat in 2002? Or after how they were massacred across India following the demolition of Babri Masjid by Hindu zealots?

No question about it, Muslims in India hv been at the receiving end in Gujraat, Kashmir, Ahmedabad etc etc. India aint that pawithar as the media wud like the world to believe. But their single most important advantage is strength of civil society. It was ppl like Arundhata Roy who exposed Gujraat massacre, civil libertarian like her and many more who stood for justice and exposed the evil of religious fanatism. How many do we hv in Pakistan? Not many and more disturbingly they are targetted by State and their cronies (Mullas), most recent example of Asma Jehangir.

[system]

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@PaKpatriot1

You would probably kill me and my entire family for being Punjabi.. Thanks but no thanks. Its terrorist scum like you that peace loving people perfer to avoid..
But if you promise not to kill anyone then your welcome to do whatever you want, but asking that of an MQm terrorist is like asking a wolf to turn vegetarian!

Not to worry meray jigar, thussi saade garain haingay…assi thay thade wasthay mitha hitay rakhangay…not to be so paranoid yaaran…hund thay thussi mun jao…

[system]

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@PaKpatriot1

In all fairnss Farty, are you saying that Mohajirs were completely innocent of any wrong doing and all the crimes commited were at the hands of Pathans and especially Punjabis?

Bachay, never said that niether implied it…point is very simple, do not sterotype or generalize ppl bcos its the popular thing to do or say. Try to see thru the biases and smear campaigns propagated by interest groups on all sides.

All ethnic and religious segments in Pakistan hv suffered or been exploited one time or the other by the state/political parties/interest groups/agencies/religious seminaries/feudals/sardars/mafias. Who do u trust? How do u differentiate truth from lies? Well, thats the tough part and i doesnt come with easy answers.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@fartguru

No question about it, Muslims in India hv been at the receiving end in Gujraat, Kashmir, Ahmedabad etc etc. India aint that pawithar as the media wud like the world to believe. But their single most important advantage is strength of civil society. It was ppl like Arundhata Roy who exposed Gujraat massacre, civil libertarian like her and many more who stood for justice and exposed the evil of religious fanatism. How many do we hv in Pakistan? Not many and more disturbingly they are targetted by State and their cronies (Mullas), most recent example of Asma Jehangir.

No, you are wrong on two points. The government of Gujrat that was responsible for the massacre of Muslims is STILL in power, and the BJP leaders that incited the hatred against Muslims after Babri Masjid actually became the rulers of India! Is that what you call justice in India? Also, there are many (and better) people like Asma Jehangir in Pakistan who expose what happens to minorities, women, the poor etc, and many (incl. Asma) are largely free to expose the evils of religious AND ethnic fanitcism. It’s just Asma loves the media attention, while others work more tirelessly and away from the public gaze in fighting for the rights of the down trodden.

Also, why is that you keep banging on about “religious fanatism” only? What about the crimes of ethnic facists like the MQM? Arguably they have caused much more destruction and killing in Karachi/Urban Sind than even than any religious nutters have to this day.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@Fraudz

Haris i think he meant that Avari is a minority but not oppressed.

The fact is that we do have issues with minority rights there is work to be done in that area.

However the type of ghunda gardee oppression that is being talked about has little to do with religion in this case and more to do with the typical vadera style ghunda gardee that has targeted anyone who is considered subservient by these dinosaurs of teh landlord and serf system.

Its shameful, and its sad that all these people are the power brokers of teh country, the bhuttos, palejos, jatois, bugtis..all these thugs

That is probably the most sensible and factual post I have seen so far in this thread.

[system]

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@Reza Pahlavi

No, you are wrong on two points. The government of Gujrat that was responsible for the massacre of Muslims is STILL in power, and the BJP leaders that incited the hatred against Muslims after Babri Masjid actually became the rulers of India! Is that what you call justice in India? Also, there are many (and better) people like Asma Jehangir in Pakistan who expose what happens to minorities, women, the poor etc, and many (incl. Asma) are largely free to expose the evils of religious AND ethnic fanitcism. It’s just Asma loves the media attention, while others work more tirelessly and away from the public gaze in fighting for the rights of the down trodden.

Also, why is that you keep banging on about “religious fanatism” only? What about the crimes of ethnic facists like the MQM? Arguably they have caused much more destruction and killing in Karachi/Urban Sind than even than any religious nutters have to this day.

Where hv I said justice was done or everything is perfect and hunky dorey in Inida? Yaar humaree sharafath ka faida tho muth utao…

Yes there r many hidden faces working tirelessly i n Pakistan, agreed. Is Asma media hungry? Thats not the issue here or imprtant from the perspective of our conversation. What is important we hv ppl like Asma working for the underprivelaged and downtrodden, thank god for that.

As for the rightwing phobia, well I can say the same for your fixation with a small time inner city political party (mqm) whose reach doesnt exceed the borders of Hyderabad. Compare that to the religious political parties ie JI, JUI etc etc. These guys hv had their fingers in the honey pot starting with JI in 1971 with Yahya Khan, end result Pakistan broken in two. Then comes Zia+Afghan Jihad. Once again u hv JUI+JI+All Other’s joining ranks with our ruling elite (Amerika/Army) in destroying the basic fibre of this country as envisaged by its founding fathers (MA Jinnah). Tell me honestly, who do u think has been detrimental to Pak as a country Mqm or the rightwing fanatics who hv pitted muslim brothers against one another on sectarian basis. Who is planting bombs across the country in name of their political goals? Who has bought Islam and Muslims under disrepute across the world?

Misdeeds of Mqm are used as an excuse to distract ppl from the real villians and their atrocities. It is civil societies reponsibility to separate truth from the crap.

[Reza_Pahlavi]

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@fartguru

Where hv I said justice was done or everything is perfect and hunky dorey in Inida? Yaar humaree sharafath ka faida tho muth utao…

You were the one who touted India in a favorable light compared to Pakistan in terms of oppression of minorities. Now you explain to us all how you think India or any Indian can lecture Pakistan about minority rights when the likes of Modi go unpunished for the crimes he ordered against Muslims, or how BJP leaders occupied high offices of state in New Delhi after inciting hatred against Muslims, and how Indian soldiers have largely gone unpunished for the tens of thousands of Kashmiri Muslims they have killed?

The rest of your post I will address later.

[anjjan]

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Again Gujarat is here and no mentioning of Godhra?
Even if Godhra was preplanned by Hindu fanatics, Reza and folks must not shy to mention the incident.
Can we imagine a Godhra type incident (or a Nord-Ost/ Beslan type incident) in Pakistan or in any other Islamic State?
India is the only country where minorities, especially Muslim minority section, take equal part in riots.
What is religio-ethnic cleansing? Who can teach us better than any Islamic State, re Pakistan?