Hindus and Sikhs will support Afghan JIHAD

Pashtun is Pashtun, no matter what the religion! Blood is thicker then water after all!

Updated on 10/16/2001 10:41:34 AM
 
Peshawar (Online): Maulana Hazrat Nabi popularly known as Pistol Maulana, central leader of Sipah-e-Sahaba Landi Kotal in Khyber Agency has prepared the ‘Jihadi Lashkar’ comprising 500 youngsters to take part in Afghan war against the United States.

The women of the area have offered their valuable jewelry and cash, as they would be unable to participate practically in the war.According to details, the registration of volunteers for the Afghan war against US was still going on in the tribal areas adjacent to NWFP.

It has been learnt through reliable sources that a large number of the students reading in different madrassas, schools and colleges in the tribal areas were keenly interested to go to Afghanistan to take part in the war.

To make it easy for the youngsters the Pistol Maulana, 35 accompanied by a Talib from Afghanistan Maulana Zulfiqar Saeedi have also started a door to door campaign of registration and collecting of money for the Afghan holy war especially at night as they were not allowed to drive such kind of campaigns during day time due to the restrictions of the political authorities in the area.

The sources added that 500 youngsters have registered their names whose ages were between 16 to 25 years belonging to different villages-Shaheed Khel, Ashkhel, Sheikh Malkhel, Shalman, Ghani Khel, Mir dad Khel, Zeen Tara, Ali Masjid, Koki Khel and Pasaid Khel.

Different tribes of the area Afridi, Shinwari, Shalmani and Malagori have already decided to send their youth as well as monetary aid to participate in the holy war in Afghanistan.

It is important to mention that this list of 500 volunteers also included those Afghan youngsters who were residing in the area as refugees since very long.

**Meanwhile two minority groups Sikh and Hindu living in the remote and inaccessible area of Tirah, administratively linked to tehsil Landi Kotal of Khyber Agency have also announced their all out support to the Taliban and have condemned the US air strikes against the innocent Afghans.

They have been in constant contact of the religious groups of Landi Kotal that they were ready for any kind of help and assistance to their Afghan brothers as they thought the attacks were not only against innocent Afghans but also against the whole humanity, sources concluded.**
http://www.frontierpost.com.pk/city.asp?id=6&date1=10/16/2001


I wonder the difference between these few and the majority in India.


We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile

Hey Hindians where are you? any comments on this thread? I wonder what they will say...Hmmmmmm


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Jihad Recruitment Drives Sweeps Pakistan Area
By Tom Heneghan

PESHAWAR (Reuters) - Historic clan ties and religious zeal have fueled a recruitment drive among untrained young men in Pakistan's tribal areas eager to face off with the best troops from the world's only superpower, tribal sources say.

The recruitment in the often-lawless tribal belt is fueled by anger among thousands of men anxious to wage a jihad or holy war if U.S. ground troops invade neighboring Afghanistan (news - web sites), they said.

``They're willing to go and fight. When Mullah Omar calls, they will be ready,'' said Sabir Afridi, a trader in a smugglers' market from the Afridi tribe, the largest in Pakistan's Khyber Pass area.

Tribesmen said Mullah Mohammad Omar, spiritual leader of the fundamentalist Taliban movement governing Afghanistan, had asked them not to enter the country until Washington -- now bombing Taliban targets daily -- sends in ground forces in its ''war on terror.''

They added Islamic fundamentalist parties kept on a tight leash elsewhere in Pakistan were openly running pro-Taliban recruitment and donation drives along the edge of the North West Frontier Province, where tribesmen claim special links with fellow Pashtun tribes across the border.

But the big question now was how many of these cheering untrained ``jihadis'' would actually go and fight and what difference they could make when faced with crack Western commando teams backed by the world's only superpower.

Ninety percent of the people signing up are Afghan refugees anyway,'' said Wilayat Afridi, a local representative of the Pakistan People's Party.They're mostly uneducated people manipulated by the religious parties.''

The Pashtuns, Afghanistan's largest ethnic group but a minority in Pakistan, have long ignored the 1893 Durand Line separating them.

Islamabad has cracked down on pro-Taliban fundamentalist parties in the rest of Pakistan, but cannot stop them in the tribal lands bordering eastern Afghanistan because tribal elders traditionally are the supreme authority there.

ISLAMIC PARTY DRIVE

Nobody knows how many men may have signed up, and estimates have to be taken with a grain of salt, but the movement appears to have won thousands, perhaps a few tens of thousands, of signatories.

``At least 5,000 have signed up in the Khyber Agency alone and another 3,000 in Mohmand,'' said Rehmat Gul Afridi, a journalist specializing in the tribal belt. Tribesmen often take their tribe's name as a last name, without necessarily being related to others also using it.

Recruiting was considerably stronger in North and South Waziristan, two of the seven agencies or districts in the poverty-stricken tribal belt where more than three million Pakistani Pashtuns live. Foreigners are barred from the tribal belt for reasons of security.

Leading the recruiting drive is the Jamiat-i-Ulema Islam, a fundamentalist party whose colorful leader Fazlur Rehman was put under house arrest early in October to halt the pro-Taliban rallies he was holding.

Another leading religious party, Jamaat-i-Islami, and some hardline Sunni groups have also been sponsoring rallies and opening recruitment offices.

Donations are also accepted. In Bajaur Agency north of Peshawar, recruiters reported they had recently collected three million rupees $500,000, 18 lbs. of gold and jewelry as well as four truckloads of sheep and goats to contribute to the Afghan cause.

Pakistan, now keen to keep a distance from the Taliban it once strongly promoted, demanded customs duties on the gifts, forcing the tribe to sell the goods and just smuggle the money into Afghanistan.

TALIBAN AND TRIBES

Saddar Khan Seerat, a Pashtun journalist from the Khyber Pass who has worked on both sides of the border, said the tribal belt volunteers were mostly refugees who would go and fight for their homeland.

``They're not friend of the Taliban, but they are against the United States because it is attacking them,'' he said.

``Many of the men in refugee camps in Pakistan have already left. They think that the United States will fall apart just like the Soviet Union fell apart after losing its war in Afghanistan.''

Ali Akbar Afridi, a tribal belt cloth merchant and representative of the moderate Pakistan Muslim League party, said Pakistani Pashtun were unlikely to rally to the Taliban side.

No Pakistani tribals will go, even if they say at these rallies that they will,'' he said.They'll only go if they're offered money.''

But the Taliban have been surprisingly stingy with their fellow Pashtun in Pakistan, in contrast to earlier Kabul governments that lavished funds and arms on the tribesmen in a bid for their support.

``Babrak Karmal gave every tribesman who came to Kabul a Kalashnikov and 30,000 rupees ($500) and they reciprocated by making it hard for the Mujahideen (holy warriors) to cross through their areas,'' he said.

Karmal was Afghanistan's communist leader from 1979 to 1986, during most of the Soviet war against the Mujahideen.

The Taliban stopped these subsidies, an important source of funds for tribes living at subsistence levels, and now ask Pakistani Pashtun to show identity cards while in Afghanistan -- something previously unheard of.

``These Taliban have done nothing for us,'' Afridi said.

Hindus and Sikhs may support Afghan JIHAD, but will any of them actually show up in Afghanistan to fight… No.

Not to fear though, the Pakistan government will put them up on murder charges if they do!

Krusty

Mr. Youngbrat, i doubt this information is true to a great degree. Also why would Kafirs - Hindus - be allowed to fight an Islamic Jihad? I would be very interested in your answer.


IB therefore I AM

[This message has been edited by IB (edited October 17, 2001).]

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Originally posted by IB:
**Mr. Youngbrat, i doubt this information is true to a great degree. Also why would Kafirs - Hindus - be allowed to fight an Islamic Jihad? I would be very interested in your answer.

**
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They fought in mughals time as well. Don't forget that.


“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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[quote]
Originally posted by Taj2001:

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Is this the answer to my question??
Same applies to you Krusty.


“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Mr. Ali, the past and present are very different. Do you really think a Pakistani Mullah will allow Hindus to fight a Jihad, when they fight against them in Kashmir?


IB therefore I AM

No need to wonder my dear. This is their tactics of survival. Have you forgotten how much sweetness and light they were with Mughal rulers. But when Britishers came in , they were hindus and sikhs again who never liked muslims in India rather hated them. Its the expediency that makes them change their colours.

[quote]
Originally posted by IB:
**Mr. Ali, the past and present are very different. Do you really think a Pakistani Mullah will allow Hindus to fight a Jihad, when they fight against them in Kashmir?

**
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If you start distinguishing between future and past.
Then listen IB, you don't wait for your enemy to come for you and kill you. YOu start fighting. The same applies on this war. So forget the jihad and see at as a normal war.


“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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Will you please answer my question directly.


IB therefore I AM

[quote]
Originally posted by Ali_R:
** They fought in mughals time as well. Don't forget that.
**
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in mughal times, things were more honest. people clearly fought wars to win teritory and except aurangzeb, color of religion was rarely given.

so adilshah vs. nizamshah vs. kutubshah vs. delhi sultanate, u can find plenty of warlords pited against each other, plenty being hindu. on the other hand shivaji's chief of artillery was muslim. LOL!

as far as afghan jihad is concerned, i believe people should figh for their homeland and be patriotic to it. is a lesson for muslims in US not to harbor terrorists and be patriotic to US govt. just like Afghan hindus are being patriotic to even idol-bashing taliban.

[quote]
Originally posted by IB:
**Will you please answer my question directly.

**
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You may counter my argument...Thats what I tried to say in my first post too.


“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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[quote]
Originally posted by ZZ:
** in mughal times, things were more honest.** people clearly fought wars to win teritory and except aurangzeb, color of religion was rarely given.

so adilshah vs. nizamshah vs. kutubshah vs. delhi sultanate, u can find plenty of warlords pited against each other, plenty being hindu. on the other hand shivaji's chief of artillery was muslim. LOL!

as far as afghan jihad is concerned, i believe people should figh for their homeland and be patriotic to it. is a lesson for muslims in US not to harbor terrorists and be patriotic to US govt. just like Afghan hindus are being patriotic to even idol-bashing taliban.
[/quote]

ZZ,

Human nature hasn't changed over years.


“na maiN* momin vich masiitaa*N, na maiN* muusaa, na fir'aun!”
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[This message has been edited by Ali_R (edited October 17, 2001).]

Re: Hindus and Sikhs will support Afghan JIHAD

Wow.

I come across this thread whilst searching for Pashtun Sikhs, are these guys original Pashtuns or converts from Punjabis and do they have a Pashto Granth or is it the Punjabi one?

I was watching George Ka Pakistan and some do indeed look Pashtun whilst most look Punjabi.

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^ They are Pashtoons like the Indian film maker Raj Kapoor was. There are Sikh/Hindu pashtoons sbut their number in both Afghanistan and NWFP has been reducing due to rising fundamentalism and very poor econnomies of the region.

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^
Raj Kapoor was a Hindko not a Pashtun (Pathan), a lot of Hindko people like other non-Pashtun ethnic groups in our area like to pass themselves off as Pashtun just because they can speak Pashto and because they live in a Pashtun dominated area, there are some genuine cases such as Hindkos whose Pashtun forefathers married Hindko Kshatrya women after converting them so they speak Hindko like their foremothers taught them but they belong to the Pashtun tribes of their forefathers so they are Pashtun and they identify themselves as such, even original Hindkos who adopt Pashto completely can be classed as Pashtuns in my eyes but those that call themselves Pashtun just because their ancestors lived in the NWFP for a certain period of time or merely because they can speak Pashto even though they don't consider it their mother tongue are not Pashtuns.

Not everyone from the NWFP or Afghanistan is Pashtun or some other Iranic ethnic group, our regions are multiethnic and also have some minority Indic ethnic groups such as Hindko and Punjabi people living in them, more Hindko than Punjabi because these regions were originally Hindko (Ancient Gandhara) before the Turkic (Mahmood Ghaznavi, Ghauri, Babur etc.) and Iranic (Pashtun/Pathan, Persians etc.) people arrived in this region.

As well as Raj Kapoor, Shahrukh Khan is another Hindko who likes to pretend he is Pathan (Pashtun), don’t be fooled by the second name or title “Khan” (Leader/Sovereign) because nobody has monopoly over that and it is not Pashtun in origin, it is Mongolian but it is used all over Asia, in Punjab Rajputs also use it and the Meraasi (musician) society also use it and they are mostly of Hindu Vaishya descent.

Maybe, maybe Pashtuns adopted Hinduism or it's offshoots (Buddhism etc.) for a few generation but we originally come from the Iranic group of Indo-Aryan/Indo-Iranian ethnic groups not it's Indic cousin, I guess we were assimilated as a warrior caste into Hindu society for a limited period of time the same way later arrivals into India such as the Rajputs, Gujjars and Jatts were assimilated into Hindu society but unlike most of them we converted back out but instead of going back to being Zoroastrian we embraced the true religion of Islam.

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^ Thanks, Bhaijaan. I didnt know Raj Kapoor and Shah Rukh Khan were Hindkos and not Pathans. Islam is the only religion and way of life.. I would like to see Pakistan become a very strict Islamic state and not a poor copy of our neighboring Indian.. Amen!

Re: Hindus and Sikhs will support Afghan JIHAD

I really like these comments. I do not think if there is any need the check the authenticity and truthfulness of the report.

Questions to these both genius commentators, Ali-R & yOuNgBrAt

  1. How many Hindus and Sikhs are left in Afghanistan?
  2. How some few persons of minority section left in Afghan interiors can react the other way to some idiotic Jihadi front’ calls?

Let us see if these people Ali-R & yOuNgBrAt can answer?

For your kind information Hindus did not have to do a lot during Muslim rule in India. In fact new comer Muslims dethroned, killed and butchered previous Muslims and every time it was a Jihad against Jihad.

I also can address them with the same reciprocal words, but cannot degrade to their level. A real problem!

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Anjjan, read the dates of these posts :)