dear faceup,
i remembver when you asked about the origins of sufism but i also remember it was answered by someone who referred to imam ghazali, so thats why i didnt bother, well sorry for not bothering.Maybe next time we shall talk about this topic.
an example of compassion is love everybody and hate noone.You dont know me, faceup so shouldnt accuse people. also you are calling other members iblees, please refrain from using bad language!!!!!
sufimaster
You still cannot explain the origins of sufism! This is becuase you are not! Sufi origins have nothing (squat) to do with sunni-ism.
And, Islam the way you practise it which is similar to the Taliban or the Wahabia of Saudi Arabia is full of racism and hate and is NOT deserving of being called/associated with worship of Allah rather, it is worship of Iblees!
faceup:
Assalam-Alaikum,
I have to disagree on one point. Don't judge a nation buy it's rulers.
I know there are a lot of good people in Saudia and Afganistan. Don't believe all you read in the press.
Look at the brother fighting in Chechnya and other oppressed states.
Ask yourself, where do they get the support from? Keep the answer to yourself.
Jazakallah
Cool Dude
Time to take those dark shades off. The saudia petro dollars are responsible for most of the conflicts in muslim countries: muslim against muslim or any other variation.
Tell me who's responsible for the shia-sunni conflict in pakistan? The wahabis and their petro dollar support of the extremist sunni groups.
Your tactics of blaming everything wrong In Islam to anti-islam western media may work in the short-term but in the long term people will eventually wake up and notice that Iblees was right in our midst.
Assalam-Alaikum
maybe you're right. Only Allah knows best
But I have seen with my own eyes the good that gets done.
Wasalaam.
Face Up,
are you telling us that Saudi Arabia are playing the other muslim countries for mugs?That all these people are used as cannon fodder for their amusement?
Ranjit
Extremist Islam is MOST certainly playing the ummah as a fiddler plays his fiddle or like 'mugs' as you would like to put it.
Simply put, they - Extremist Islam pays too much emphasis or should I say - the only emphasis upon violence as solutions to all issues.
Jehad has been twisted by extremist Islam into only one meaning and that is violent struggle. Not True! Jehad can be a struggle against Poverty, Illiteracy, Hunger, etc but show me one muslim country that uses Jehad towards that end or:
Jehad for Peace;
Jehad against Hunger;
Jehad against Ignorance;
etc.
Show me the 'beef'!
Was Prophet Muhammed an extremist, because he used violence to Conquer the Kuffar?
(i know it's the wrong thread!)
Jazakallah
dear faceup,
as i said before i love everybody and hate noone. If someone in the street is in trouble no mattter if they are hindu or jew i am obliged to help and this is because of the islamic teaching. As for practices then my belief is simple. a person should be a good human being.Concerning the spirtual aspects of islam i believe a person should try to remember god whenever they can including 5 prayers, also give charity to poor muslims and non muslims. regarding jehad then its important to fight those who kill the innocent people. i know that ghulam mirza said jehad is forbidden- what nonsense.
if you want to know what sufism is for me then i will tell you but first please refrain from calling others iblees.
see you later
You Keep Going Back to the 7th Century for answers, don't you? No wonder,the ummah reflects the 7th century in acts & spirit.
The actions & sayings of the Prophet(s) has to be reviewed in context; in other words, the Prophet did what was reqd. in the 'context' of the harsh, wild & uncivilized environment of the 7th century Arabia.
Is the same 'context' applicable in the present?
If you answer 'Yes' then you follow extremist Islam or rule by the sword & of the sword.
If you answer 'No' then you follow "interpretations" of Islam that emphasises peaceful co-existence and is based on compassion & tolerance.
Obviously, the majority has sought to answer the question with a resounding "yes" and that is where, IMO, lies the biggest failure of Islam.
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Obviously, the majority has sought to answer the question with a resounding "yes" and that is where, IMO, lies the biggest failure of Islam.
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Failure of muslims...not Islam.
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Without tolerance & compassion, this "thing" that you follow is not from Allah; rather, it is from Iblees and your associate Mr. Xtreme is a major recruiter for Iblees!
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What "thing" are you referring to.
Even by your argument if the religion or teahings are not being followed, they do not become an offering from iblees, they are t not from Allah, yet not being followed properly. You may consider choosing your words more carefully.
7th Century?
We're not living in this utopia that you portray that everything is hunky-dory.
Islam is a package.. You pray, you worship Allah, and you follow the example of the prophet. This ayat is from the prophets last sermon:
"O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to
you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray."
Are you going to deny that Islam is a complete but very just way of life?
Read this from Quran [5:45]
Next you'll be telling me that quoting from the quran is oh-so-7th century.
CoolDude,
Majority of muslims do live in the 7th century and practise 7th century interpretations of Islam; here's why:
Cool states from the hadith:
"I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray."
Yours is the sunni interpretation of the hadith of the '2 weighty things' i.e.the sunnis interpret this to mean Quran & Sunnah.
The shias, sufis, ismailis interpret this as:
Quran & Imam/Imammate.
If you have chosen quran & sunnah then my friend, despite your protestations, you are living in the 7th century, because the sunnahs reflect 7th century cruel, wild & uncivilized Arabia. The 7th century Sunnah is the basis of your quranic interpretations & also the sharia'h laws.
However, the prophet clearly forbade his hadiths/sunnah to be written down and those who are following the alleged Hadith and Sunnah are NOT following the Prophet but following those who wrote these books, like Bukhari, Muslim, etc. The prophet himself warned:
"Do not write anything from me EXCEPT QURAN.
Anyone who wrote anything other than the Quran shall erase it."
" the messenger of God ordered us NEVER to write anything of his hadith."
The four guided Khalifas who ruled the Muslim Umma (nation) after the death of the Prophet Muhammed (s), respected the order of the Prophet and prohibited the writing and collection of Hadiths. This prohibition of hadiths was continued until Omar Ibn Abdel-Aziz permitted the writing of Hadiths and Sunna, then many books and (Kararees) appeared containing Hadiths.
In these books of sunnahs/hadiths a NEW RELIGION was written that dominated over the Quran despite the claim for the opposite. In writing these books, the authors did not care if the hadiths they are writing contradict the Quran or the other Hadiths or the common sense (REASON). In reality, they fulfilled the promise of God in:
[al-An`am] 6:112-113: "We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS (e.g.: HADITH & SUNNAH), in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their FABRICATIONS. This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions. "
CoolDude:
Allah speaks in the Quran in parables, similitudes & allegory. Are you capable of interpreting what Allah means in His Quran?
He, Allah, had people like you in mind when he revealed the following:
[at-Taubah 9:97] The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which God hath sent down to His Apostle: But God is All-knowing, All-Wise.
Can you identify the Hypocrites of this aya?
[al-Hujurat 49:14] The desert Arabs say, "We believe." Say, "Ye have no faith; but ye (only)say, 'We have submitted our wills to God,' For not yet has Faith entered your hearts. But if ye obey God and His Apostle, He will not belittle aught of your deeds: for God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Has God's Faith entered your heart? It surely hasn't; as you keep relating Allah with extremism or eye for an eye. Not only that, you also speak with arrogance and smack full of ignorance!
Sometimes we feel why something is happening against Islam. If you read this true story, you will know that what happens will happen and even if we may not be able to stop it, ALLAH has the ways to turn into far bigger than what we could imagine. Only people who bring change in this world are the ones with strong motivation to do something. One person has a motive now and may be the catalyst for a change. ALLAH WA ALAM. Please read this carefully it has the potential to bring a change in INDIA in the next 10-20 years.
HE DEMOLISHED BABRI MASJID THAT DAY........SEEKS FORGIVENESS TODAY!!!
Ayodhya - Dec. 6, 1992
Among the fears of lakhs of Kar sevak who had gathered to demolish the Babri Masjid, few furiously climbed on the majestic minaret of the mosque. The most important among the few were shive sainik. A resident of Faisabad, where Ayodhya is situated Shive Prasad was the captain of ajrang Dal.
He was given the responsibility to guide four thousand Kar Sevak in the demolition of mosque. It was he who gave training to four thousands of people under him, on how to carry the demolition. On seeing the majestic minarets of the mosque come down captain Prasad was overjoyed and shouted the "Ram! Ram!" This happened seven years ago. On Dec. 6 ,1999 the same Shive Prasad was seeking forgiveness from Allah for his cruel act seven years back. This 6 Dec.1999 he was fasting(non-obligatory) and regretting for the act with tears and was seeking forgiveness from Allah in his prayers.
Yes ! Shive Prasad has embraced Islam. He has changed his name to Mohammed Mustafa. One will be moved to learn how he embraced Islam. This change in Shive Prasads heart was published by Malayalam News (7.12.99) issued by "Arab news publications" in Saudi Arabia. Shive Prasad's father Trigal Ramanathan was chief among the heads of Sangh Parivar. His whole family was actively involved in demolishing the Babri asjid. Soon after the demolition of the mosque, Shive prasad felt a depression in his heart. He had no peace of mind. He felt that he had ommitted a great sin.
In 1997 he went to Sharjah in order to seek employment. But even at work his mind was restless. On Dec. 4, 1998 as he was walking along the streets of Sharjah, he happened to hear a speech before Friday prayer held in a mosque which was in Hindi. When he heard the speech, which he felt was something different. He wanted to listen the complete speech. That message about Allah created a revolution in his rest less mind. He continued to listen to such speeches thereafter. The revolution in his heart was completed.
All praise be to God Allah ! Allah has shown him the right path. He has forfeited the ignorance and chosen the righteous path. When Shive Prasad embraced Islam he was driven out by his family members who were strong RSS activists. He is praying to God that his family member should also choose the righteous path as he did. Shive Prasad says that among those who led the demolition on the spot were Ashok Singhal and Advani. On the day of demolition the police and CRPF connived with the leaders of BJP, Bajrang Dal and RSS. Both these law enforcing agencies greatly helped in the demolition. He recalls that on that day Ashok Singhal dressed himself in military uniform and gave orders. He also recalls, soon after the demolition of the mosque they entered the muslim areas in the Faisabad and shouted "Jai Shriram".
Now, Shive Prasad is receiving continuous threatening from RSS, BJP and Bajrang Dal. Sangh Parivar has threatened to kill if he returns to India. But Mohammed Mustafa(Shive Prasad) says firmly that he will never turn away from Islam- the righteous path even if death comes his way. Having learnt 17 Surahs in the holy Quran, he is anxious to complete learning the whole of "Holy Quran". His ambition is to become a true Islamic preacher and bring ignorant people to light. If Allah wishes, his ambition will be fulfilled and the very same hands which demolished the Babri Masjid will built up again.
okay faceup you have made yourpoint , what religion do you follow.Are you a qadiani? or hindu
its obvious you believe in mirza who hasnt been able to answer the sunni scholars of islam al those years ago.Now you are bringing up the same nonsense as your master mirza who nothing but contradicts himself thousand million times.
sufimaster,
now you know why I call you & your kind to be followers of Iblees!
This "thing" that you follow doesn't have any hope in hell to defend itself; in short, this "thing" has no legs to stand on.
With this sunnah of shahih bukhari, etc you have made Islam and its prophet into a laughing joke! Naujabillah!!
Once they start losing argument, they will close the thread.
dear faceup,
if you read properly my heading is "hinduism is a rascist religion".If you want to say something about the topic then please do, OTHERWISE SHUTUP> you havent answered a single point of mine about rascism in hinduism.If you want to talk about hinduism comapred to islam i suggest you start a new thread.
remember if you detract from the topic this thread may be deleted.
faceup,
Though you often present your points well, you destroy your credibility when you refer to people being followers of Iblees. It comes across as such a cop out....sorta like when you can't answer the questions put to you, you resort to inflammatory material including name-calling.
sufimaster,
Please remember that the rules apply just as much to you as to anyone else.....no need to tell anyone to "shut up".