Hinduism Exposed

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Brahmins always criticise, condemn and mock other Religions. Their criticisms and mocking is unreasonable and unacceptable.

In his autobiography, Dr. Charles an american scholar says that it is very simple to define a Hindu. He says a Hindu. he says a Hindu means "one who believes anything and everything if said in the name of God and shall never question its authenticity.

The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and understand the difficulties of mankind. Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate HImself?? Can he not understand his creation? Why should God become a donkey or cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures???

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Dr Lovless writes:
Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate HImself?? Can he not understand his creation? Why should God become a donkey or cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures???
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i can ask a few thousand such questions regarding god's short-comings in any religion. doesnt prove a thing, coz god aint perfect in any religion. for starters, can you explain why god didnt create all people to be good and happy? why is there suffering in this world when god has absolute power to get things done his way? does that mean god is a sadist? or does that mean god is lazy? or does that mean god is after all not all that powerful?

looking forward to read your answers..

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W H O C A R E S ????????????

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Originally posted by Dr LoveLess:
*The Brahmins claim that Lord Rama is incarnated (came in human form) to study and understand the difficulties of mankind.Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate HImself?? Can he not understand his creation? Why should God become a donkey or cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures???
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Why should god behave logically. He/she could do things the way he/she likes. If u dont like it, well, tough luck..

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Originally posted by Dr LoveLess:
Brahmins always criticise, condemn and mock other Religions. Their criticisms and mocking is unreasonable and unacceptable.

Firstly I don't think so, and even if it is there (which is wrong) aren't other religious leaders doing the same, take for example your mullahs.

"one who believes anything and everything if said in the name of God and shall never question its authenticity.

On the contrary, aren't other religions believe anything and everything said in the name of god, are they allowed to question its authenticity. I think Hindus can challenge anything and hence they can stop following whatever they don't believe in.

Is it really necessary for a god to incarnate HImself?? Can he not understand his creation? Why should God become a donkey or cockroach in order to understand the sufferings of these creatures???

Similarly is it necessary for god to come to one person only and tell him secretly (in Arabic) about the rules and regulations he want for human beings and not about animals or other living forms. Why can't he simply put things in his mind or produce a readymade book instead of dictating for years. Or why can't he come to each and every human being individually and tell him what is expected of him, afterall he is god he can do anything.

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Queer God has given you choices, wrong or right, its YOUR job to make the right ones. If you make the wrong choice you creat problems.

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GOD IS PERFECT he does NOT need to become and monkey or rat to understand his creations. I know you dont agree its ok.
Hinduism is not a revealed religion so…one can have his or her doubts one too many..

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So dhir if someone else is bad, and you know that someone else is bad, do you have to become bad with them and humiliate your religion with it?

You guys should consider challenging the caste-system and how it has brought the GREAT divide between people of your own religion. you cant even handle that challenge, how do you expect to handle any out-side challenge?

Yes, again he has given you choices, its up to you to make the right one. If you cant, well tough-luck!!!

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Dr. Loveless in reality really BRAINLESS

There is no GOD, God is biggest fraud Mankind ever created. Faith is another product of such creation and all the religions are brokers of these products

Why do you argue?

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Oh really, we have another athist here.

Prove to me there is not God! I ll prove to you that there is God. That made you.

How did you came to be?

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Originally posted by Dr LoveLess:
**Queer God has given you choices, wrong or right, its YOUR job to make the right ones. If you make the wrong choice you creat problems.

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And who decides which choice is wrong or right.

GOD IS PERFECT he does NOT need to become and monkey or rat to understand his creations.

Nor does he need to come secretly to a person for years and dictate him the terms and conditions he want human beings to follow, he can simply put it in our brains, aint it, or at least make sure that each and every human being believes what he is saying, whereas it is not so. And who knows he has come below to understand his creations or to let his creations understand him. At least he is coming in a form for people to believe him and not secretly to a single selected man. Million dollar question.

**I know you dont agree its ok. **

Nor do you agree with other concepts, its O.K.

**Hinduism is not a revealed religion **

No religion is a revealed religion. All this prophet story is made up to put a fear among human beings of unknown and to set a rules for the society. God has no role in this.

**so…one can have his or her doubts one too many..

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Why has he created brain?

**So dhir if someone else is bad, and you know that someone else is bad, do you have to become bad with them and humiliate your religion with it? **

LOL. You are so simple and cute.. I wonder whether you are a fool. YOu are the one who tried to become bad with other religions challenging other religions. And how can you decide the other religion is bad and yours is not. I beg to differ with that, so does more than 50% population of this world.. what do you infer out of that. All of us are bad and you are good. Thank you good boy.

You guys should consider challenging the caste-system and how it has brought the GREAT divide between people of your own religion.

And who says this system is not being challenged. Do you know any Hindu? Have you ever been to India? Do you know right now how many mass movements are going on to change this system. But it is in our society and can’t just vanish in a month.

you cant even handle that challenge,

Bad for you, but it is slowly fading away, though the pace is still very slow cos a large majority is illiterate and some people exploit them.

**how do you expect to handle any out-side challenge? **

I don’t. You are the one who is out to expose other religion.

**Yes, again he has given you choices, its up to you to make the right one. If you cant, well tough-luck!!!

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I wonder why he gave choices.

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Dammit Dhir,

Stop introducing logic and reason and rationality into the religion forum. You're bound to make an atheist or two out of these people, and them apostates aren't taken too kindly in some of them religious circles. Therefore, out of compassion for your fellow man, use only the faith of a book.

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Dhir you being total pig headed person.
Astrofan he is no where close to logic or rationality, i'd say to close to stupidity and shame.
Dhir instead of answering your pathetic reasoning and logic my self, i should presend you with verses from quran and what Allah said about people like you. Its a boook which has no doubt.

"To whom belong all that is in the heavens and earth?" Say: "To Allah". He has prescribed for Himself mercy. He will gather you all for the day of judgment in which there is no doubt. The ones who have lost themselves are the ones who will not believe" [Qur'an, 6:12; Al-An'am, "The Livestock"]

"He [Prophet Mohammad] has forged it [the Qur'an]". Say: "bring you then ten forged suras like it, and call unto whomsoever you can [to help you], other than Allah, if you are truthful". So if they answer you not, then know that it [the Qur'an] was only sent down with the knowledge of Allah and that there is no god but Him. So will you be Muslims? [Qur'an, Sura II: 13-14 Hud, "Hud"]

Do they not then ponder on the Qur'an? And had it been from other than Allah, then surely they would have found therein much discrepancies. [Qur'ân, Surah 4:82 Al-Nisa', "The Women"]

And verily it [the Qur'an] is a reminder for the Muttaqin [the pious and those whose fear Allah]. And verily We know that there are among those who fear Allah. And verily We know that there are among you some that believe [this Qur'an]. And verily it [the Qur'an] is an anguish for the disbelievers. And verily it is a truth of assured certainty. So glorify the name of your Lord the Most Great. [Qur'an, Sura 69:38-52; Al-Haqqah, "The Sure Reality"]

And you [Mohammad] did not recite before it [the Qur'an] any book, nor did you write it [any book] with your right hand. For then, indeed the followers of falsehood would have doubted. But it is clear revelations in the chests of those who were given knowledge. And none deny our Ayat [proofs, evidences, signs, revelations, etc.] except the unjust. And they said: "if only signs were sent down on him from his Lord." Say: "Indeed the signs are only with Allah and I am but a clear warner." Was it not enough for them that We have sent down to you the Book [the Qur'an] which is recited to them. Verily, herein is mercy and a reminder for people who believe. Say: "Sufficient is Allah for a witness between me and you. He knows what is in the heavens and earth. And those who have believed in the Batil [all false deities other than Allah] and disbelieved in Allah, those are the losers." [Qur'an, 29:48-52; Al-Ankaboot "The Spider"]

"and We have never been unjust. And it is not the Shayatin [devils] who have brought it [this Qur'an] down. Neither would it suit them, nor they can [produce it]. Verily, they have been removed far from hearing it. So invoke not with Allah another god lest you be among those who will be punished. [Qur'an, 26:208-213; Al-Shua'ra', "The Poets"]

And if you are in doubt concerning that which We have sent down on Our worshiper [Mohammad, peace be upon him], then produce a Surah [chapter] of the like thereof and call your witnesses [supporters and helpers] besides Allah if you are truthful. So if you do it not, and you can never do it,then fear the fire [hell] whose fuel is people and stones that was prepared for the pagans. [Qur'an, 2:23-24; Al-Baqarah, "The Cow"]

There are many verses like those, which challenge you, and slap the faces of dis-believers! Allah also says: they will never believe, their hearts and minds have been locked...
Finally...
The Disbelievers
In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
[109.1] Say: O unbelievers!
[109.2] I do not serve that which you serve,
[109.3] Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.4] Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
[109.5] Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
[109.6] You shall have your religion and I shall have my
religion.

I hope you understand, have a good day.
I am sure you will deny all those, and will come up with some lame excuses, nothing more is expected from hindu.

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Originally posted by astrosfan:
Dammit Dhir, Stop introducing logic and reason and rationality into the religion forum. You're bound to make an atheist or two out of these people, and them apostates aren't taken too kindly in some of them religious circles. Therefore, out of compassion for your fellow man, use only the faith of a book.

Sorry Astro, I plead to allah to have mercy on me and not punish me with fire and hot stones as the ayaats produced later suggested. Also you were right that some people will only follow a book and will never deflect as they are directed not to.

However I want to make it clear that whatever I was telling was from a religious book in the making. Though it is very strange but it is true that allah keeps on changing his own perception of the world in general and human beings in particular and comes back again and again to prophets to tell what he wants from the world now. Also though he said Mohd. woulb be the last prophet, still he is coming to me again and again to tell me what is right and what is wrong and I am putting this all down and will be revealed to all of you in the shape of a book soon. Pls. wait for that day and then we shall all go to heavens above.

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dhir: Why are you trying to cause trouble?

If your grievence is with a person on Gupshup, then take it out with them.

Don't be a coward and try to rationlise your comments by making a mockery of Allah - that will get you nowhere.

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Sorry, if I hurt your feelings but I hope and know) and sincerely believe you got my idea. One more thing I want to say is that no religion as such is bad (it is we who make it) or all relgiions are bad.

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Islam is not just a Religion, it's a way of life.

If you want to be a Hindu, thats fine - no one has a problem with that. Don't use Blasphemy as a justification for proving your point.

And no, I didn't get your point, Explain this:

Dhir Wrote:

Also though he said Mohd. woulb be the last prophet, still he is coming to me again and again to tell me what is right and what is wrong and I am putting this all down and will be revealed to all of you in the shape of a book soon. Pls. wait for that day and then we shall all go to heavens above.

What did you mean by the above statement?

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It means, he is coming to me quit often and telling me in my sub-concious what all should be done to be a good human being, now you get it. I believe thats what he did with the prophet. And I don't see any reason why you should not believe me, cos if you don't you are going to burn in the hell-fire.

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Last time I heard somebodys sub-concious tell them something, they had to see a shrink!!!

Seriously though, I made my point so, you guys can carry on with your discussion.

cya