And nothing ever happend to Hindus in Kashmir as bigoted Indians created this lie, concocting the entire story, to soothe their guilty conscience ... .
can you quote a single incident when muslims have accepte the blame and have recognized their guilt in the entire (1400 years) history???
can you quote a single incident when muslims have accepte the blame and have recognized their guilt in the entire (1400 years) history???
No neither they did nor they will ever. They have killed throghout the history, and not only kuffar,but muslims themselves. It all started when the holy prophet passed away. Muslim killed muslims in battle of camel, than in battle of siffin. Pakistani army killed millions of bengla deshi muslims in no time, Indian army saved severel more millions of innocent muslims from getting killed. Iran Iraq war, Massacre of Hazara in Afganistan, killing by Saddam regiem, and now Darfur and countless other examples. But muslims wont accept it ever, they have been in the habit of remaining in denial mode. And falsely accusing others. Unfortunately.
can you quote a single incident when muslims have accepte the blame and have recognized their guilt in the entire (1400 years) history???
LOL.. Now its 1400 years of history you are after...
Stick to the topic. Im seriously tired of this Hindu inferiority complex. You were conquered by Muslims. So what, you werent the first. Such is the way of the world Thankfully, in our modern day world, with our humanistic enlightenment, and out modern concept of ethics and justice, such things will not repeat themselves.
Offcourse, that is assuming Indians believe in Humanism, justice and fair play etc. Judging from you r performance in Kashmir, I doubt it.
LOL.. Now its 1400 years of history you are after...
Stick to the topic. Im seriously tired of this Hindu inferiority complex. You were conquered by Muslims. So what, you werent the first. Such is the way of the world Thankfully, in our modern day world, with our humanistic enlightenment, and out modern concept of ethics and justice, such things will not repeat themselves. Offcourse, that is assuming Indians believe in Humanism, justice and fair play etc. Judging from you r performance in Kashmir, I doubt it.
victimhood is callign card of muslims from India to Britain from france to USa everywhere they have made chest-beating their own..
Ghettoization in India: fault of hindu
Ghettoization in Britain: fault of chirstian
You guys never boter to ask why hindusa in britain do nto live in ghetto and lag behind ..
same story is in france.. fact is alibis differ but result is same..
look within most probabaly there is some cultural deficiency inherent which is keeping you down noone is out their to hunt.. if hindus can be successful in west so can be muslims there is same rule same freedom same rights for all..
victimhood is callign card of muslims from India to Britain from france to USa everywhere they have made chest-beating their own..
Ghettoization in India: fault of hindu
Ghettoization in Britain: fault of chirstian
You guys never boter to ask why hindusa in britain do nto live in ghetto and lag behind ..
same story is in france.. fact is alibis differ but result is same..
look within most probabaly there is some cultural deficiency inherent which is keeping you down noone is out their to hunt.. if hindus can be successful in west so can be muslims there is same rule same freedom same rights for all..
Ghettoization in India is the fault of Hinuds... Its a Hindu dominated country. T
I hope the Indians of Muslims understand now why we choose to seperate ourselves from Hindu domination.
Ghetooization in England. I dont know who blames English or Christians.
I do know that where ever there are minorities, there tend to be poor minority ghettos. Go figure. Perhaps you could study this phenomenon on your own and get back to us.
I have seen Indians neighborhoods aswell, and quite frankly, I wasnt impressed. Perhaps the reason is that Hindus come from a Hindu dominated country where the exploit everyone else for their own gains. Thus these people that come from the Hindu dominant pool, tend to already be realtively well established. They tend to go and have no problem succeeding in foreign country.
Muslims immigrants have often been those who were poor in their countries, or from a poor background. The rich and affluent dont usually leave their countries. So these poor people tend to go to foreign countries only to find menial labor and continue the cycle of poverty in the foreign country of their choosing.
I think you as a Hindu, who comes from a relatively simple place, and a religion that is extremely localized wouldnt be able to comprehend the complexity of a religion and a people who have a global reach. But the issue is a complicated one and far more complex for you to fathom.
And Muslims arent like Hindu by the way. Muslims comprise nearly 2 Billion people speaking a variety of languages and having very little in common other then religion.
And if Muslims are doing so bad, why is that so many Muslim countries have done better then India.
Check Indias social indicators and compare them with those of Iran, Turkey, Indonesia and Egypt for example. If you Hindus are so progressive, why is your country lagging behind in education and maternal moratlity for example?
Example: Egypt life expectancy is 72.2 years. India its 69.8
Egypt literacy is 71.4 percent. Indian literacy is a paltry 61 percent.
Fenale literacy in Egypt is 74 percent. In India its 47.8 percent.
You can compare other socail indicators with even more progressive Muslim countries such as Indianesia and Malaysia, Turkey and Iran etc.
Hindu India really doesnt have much to boast of other then their expat community.
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/eg.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/in.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tu.html
And nothing ever happend to Hindus in Kashmir as bigoted Indians created this lie, concocting the entire story, to soothe their guilty conscience ...
Stick to the topic. Im seriously tired of this Hindu inferiority complex. You were conquered by Muslims. So what, you werent the first. Such is the way of the world Thankfully, in our modern day world, with our humanistic enlightenment, and out modern concept of ethics and justice, such things will not repeat themselves. Offcourse, that is assuming Indians believe in Humanism, justice and fair play etc. Judging from you r performance in Kashmir, I doubt it.
so you are sure that muslims were very kind in india......and they destroyed universities like nalanda and takshshila just for fun...never mind....this was your forefather' human start in india....
so...pls quote a single incident when muslims have accepted the blame and recognised the guilt since the invention of islam....and i am redy to give up.
so you are sure that muslims were very kind in india......and they destroyed universities like nalanda and takshshila just for fun...never mind....this was your forefather' human start in india....
so...pls quote a single incident when muslims have accepted the blame and recognised the guilt since the invention of islam....and i am redy to give up.
We have nothing to be guilty for. If anything, our faults are the collective faults of all peoples in general. Once Muslims were the conquerers, then monglils , then British, then Hindus etc etc.
Ground reality speaks for itself. The vast majority of people on the subcontinent are Hindu. If the Muslims were the devils you claim, then that wouldnt be the case.
Such is the way of the world. If you dont like it, go complain to your gods.
Conquerers and conquered have existed through out history. The conquered always believe their stories and the conquerers their own. Truth and fact are always between the two extremes.
And I should remind you that Muslims werent the first to conquer Indian or its parts. Isnt it odd for instance, that while the Muslims were the devils they were, the Hindus werre the ones to introduce the concepet of caste?!?!?! Yes, we the Muslims were evil barbarians, yet you Indians forced forced millions of your own people into virtual slavery and poverty not only in this life, but the here after.. What is worse, Muslim rule or the forced relegation of Millions to the status of untouchable beings. You decide, and then we can start the apologies...
I have seen Indians neighborhoods aswell, and quite frankly, I wasnt impressed. Perhaps the reason is that Hindus come from a Hindu dominated country where the exploit everyone else for their own gains. Thus these people that come from the Hindu dominant pool, tend to already be realtively well established. They tend to go and have no problem succeeding in foreign country.
Stupid logic as usual :)
If Hindus are successful in their own country because its Hindu dominated, how are they able to succeed in the USA/UK where they are a minority ?
And extending your logic further, what about Muslims who come from Muslim dominated countries ? Why are they not as successful ?
Stupid logic as usual :)
If Hindus are successful in their own country because its Hindu dominated, how are they able to succeed in the USA/UK where they are a minority ?
And extending your logic further, what about Muslims who come from Muslim dominated countries ? Why are they not as successful ?
Simple logic for stupid people.. If I made it any more complicated, a simpleton like you would be clueless.
My point was that Hindus who migrated happened to be reletivley well off. The Muslims have tended to be from lower middle class, and hence they have prepetuated the same issues they had in their homeland in their new countries.
Regardless though, your naive friend is trying to extrapolate from a very complicated group, a very simple a ill informed conclusion. Hindus are a relatively simple group compared to Muslims, so you Hindus naively assume other groups are as simple to understand as your own.
Still, you conveniently ignored the rest of the psot.
If Muslims are so far beihnd Hindus in general, as FISH boy was trying to imply, regardless of where they are, why is it that Hindu India has failed so miserably to keep up with so many Muslim countries in terms of social and economic indicators?
If Hindus are so progressive, why is Hindu India so backwards compared to Muslim nations?!?!
We have nothing to be guilty for. If anything, our faults are the collective faults of all peoples in general. Once Muslims were the conquerers, then monglils , then British, then Hindus etc etc.
Ground reality speaks for itself. The vast majority of people on the subcontinent are Hindu. If the Muslims were the devils you claim, then that wouldnt be the case.
Such is the way of the world. If you dont like it, go complain to your gods.
Conquerers and conquered have existed through out history. The conquered always believe their stories and the conquerers their own. Truth and fact are always between the two extremes.
And I should remind you that Muslims werent the first to conquer Indian or its parts. Isnt it odd for instance, that while the Muslims were the devils they were, the Hindus werre the ones to introduce the concepet of caste?!?!?! Yes, we the Muslims were evil barbarians, yet you Indians forced forced millions of your own people into virtual slavery and poverty not only in this life, but the here after.. What is worse, Muslim rule or the forced relegation of Millions to the status of untouchable beings. You decide, and then we can start the apologies...
good cry....bravo!
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And nothing ever happend to Hindus in Kashmir as bigoted Indians created this lie, concocting the entire story, to soothe their guilty conscience ... ...
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/\/\/...and my question is still valid....have muslims ever accepted that they are guily of something...???
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very easily this guy has declared that nothing ever happened to hindus in kashmir......
good cry....bravo!
/\/\/...and my question is still valid....have muslims ever accepted that they are guily of something...???
very easily this guy has declared that nothing ever happened to hindus in kashmir......
Whos crying? Your the one wining about apologies for 1400 years of history. Like I said, you can moan and groan all you want, but we have bsolutely nothing to be sorry for. If you want to apologies, start by recognizing your own crimes both recent and historical and then we will consider appologies.
And no your question isnt valid. Its completely bogus and complete waste of time.
Hindu PANDITS ARE AN EXAGERATION OF THE HINDU Nationalist mind. If you dont believe me, go back and read some of the posts on Pandits.
Indians have fabricated the entire Pandit issue just to distract from the real issue. That being the continued occupation and violation of the rights of the people of Kashmir. Shame on you for trying to distrcat from such an issue by fabricating such lies.
Whos crying? Your the one wining about apologies for 1400 years of history. Like I said, you can moan and groan all you want, but we have bsolutely nothing to be sorry for. If you want to apologies, start by recognizing your own crimes both recent and historical and then we will consider appologies.
And no your question isnt valid. Its completely bogus and complete waste of time.
Hindu PANDITS ARE AN EXAGERATION OF THE HINDU Nationalist mind. If you dont believe me, go back and read some of the posts on Pandits. Indians have fabricated the entire Pandit issue just to distract from the real issue. That being the continued occupation and violation of the rights of the people of Kashmir. Shame on you for trying to distrcat from such an issue by fabricating such lies.
Hello Med,
So U have nothing to be sorry for? From U I mean muslims. Just repeat the phrase in case U havent typed it wrongly, than we can discuess over it. And U owe apologies to ALLAH for ur horrible crimes, not to anyone else. His lathi is beawaaz, if U dont believe just have a look at** ZILLAH **muslims have been facing worldwide.
As for hindus, they had realised the mistakes of their forefathers long ago and have worked on them. Results are showing in today's India, despite some natural exceptions which U will never fail to mention and exagerate. Quiet understandable.
Its plainly useless talking about KASHMIRI PUNDITS with U guys. U absolutely have no value for human lives. Be it muslims or non muslims. It is quiet evident from the history and today, when U insensitively deny the very existance of of kashmiri pundits who are victim of genocide and opression. It proves that U are not interested in any solution of the problem, but to keep the fire of violence burning to fullfill ur vile agenda of hate mongering.
Peace to U.
My point was that Hindus who migrated happened to be reletivley well off. The Muslims have tended to be from lower middle class, and hence they have prepetuated the same issues they had in their homeland in their new countries.
Another absurd post. So now you are claiming that a majority of Muslims in the US/UK/Canada etc were not well off in their own countries and hence are doing poorly in their adopted countries ?
And you still haven't explained the correlation between Hindus prospering in India (where they are a majority) and Hindus prospering in US/UK/Canada despite being minorities.
why is it that Hindu India has failed so miserably to keep up with so many Muslim countries in terms of social and economic indicators?
If Hindus are so progressive, why is Hindu India so backwards compared to Muslim nations?!?!
Can you give an example of a Muslim democracy (I know thats an oxymoron :)) thats doing better than India in terms of socio-economic indicators.
Whos crying? Your the one wining about apologies for 1400 years of history. Like I said, you can moan and groan all you want, but we have bsolutely nothing to be sorry for. If you want to apologies, start by recognizing your own crimes both recent and historical and then we will consider appologies. .
now this guy will go on the topic, off the topic but will never talk directly.
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And nothing ever happend to Hindus in Kashmir as bigoted Indians created this lie, concocting the entire story, to soothe their guilty conscience ... .
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what i really appreciate in islamic ethic that they kill...the word is 'slay' and immidiately start 'playing the victim game'....the world communities really beleived them earlier...but i dont think that we are not aware of their dirty game.
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i am still waiting for an answer if muslims have ever accepted the blame in entire history after making so much blood-shed.
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why is it that Hindu India has failed so miserably to keep up with so many Muslim countries in terms of social and economic indicators?
If Hindus are so progressive, why is Hindu India so backwards compared to Muslim nations?!?! .
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india has more universities than the all islamic states in total have......
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Another absurd post. So now you are claiming that a majority of Muslims in the US/UK/Canada etc were not well off in their own countries and hence are doing poorly in their adopted countries ?
And you still haven't explained the correlation between Hindus prospering in India (where they are a majority) and Hindus prospering in US/UK/Canada despite being minorities.
Can you give an example of a Muslim democracy (I know thats an oxymoron :)) thats doing better than India in terms of socio-economic indicators.
First of all, you dont know what this debate is about. Fish curry was trying to imply that Muslims are ALL lagginf behind Hindus.
He cited , however inaccurately, Muslims in UK and Europe.
The common understadning is that these people were lower and middle class people who migrated to those countries. In Birmingham for example, which has a very large Pakistani population, the Pakistanis there initially worked as facotry labor.
As for Muslims in Canada and US, they prove you wrong. Muslims in some foreign countries have done relatively well.
Regradless, this is irrelevant. The larger question is whether Muslims, all 1.5 Billion of them are lagging behind the 500 million or so Hindus in world.
Learn to read what your trying to debate.
I never said that Hindus prosper in India.
1. Indians that have migrated have tended to be relatively well educated.
2. Fich curry made the absurd point, that ALL Muslims are laggng behind Muslims. To prove this he used the expat communities in England and Europe.
My point was that first, you cant use these groups to extrapolate a conclusion for ALL Muslims.
Second, that Hindus have NOT performed better then Musl9ms.
As an example, I cited Indonesia, Turkey, Iran, and Egypt. All of whom have much stronger social and economic indicators then India...
So if Muslims are so backwards, why are Muslim countries doing so much better then Hindu India?!?!
now this guy will go on the topic, off the topic but will never talk directly.
what i really appreciate in islamic ethic that they kill...the word is 'slay' and immidiately start 'playing the victim game'....the world communities really beleived them earlier...but i dont think that we are not aware of their dirty game.
i am still waiting for an answer if muslims have ever accepted the blame in entire history after making so much blood-shed.
india has more universities than the all islamic states in total have......
NOW this guy will continue these irrelevant posts, and continue the melodrama like some cheap India soap.
I will not answer this ignnorant propganda filled Hindu as it serves no purpose..
Hello Med,
As for hindus, they had realised the mistakes of their forefathers long ago and have worked on them. Results are showing in today's India, despite some natural exceptions which U will never fail to mention and exagerate. Quiet understandable.
Peace to U.
Im glad you have admited your faults, and thats a start. But todays India that you are refering to is only 65 years old, and Indian history that your refering to is on the order of thousands of years. The growth phase of India, which is more then likely what most Indians are now considering their golden age, however premeturely, is only about 18 years old.
Now I grant you, things can change, but you cant wipe away thousands of years of thinking in just 65 years, and certainly not in 18.
And dont assume that nothing changes in the Muslim world. I know you fancy yourself an expert on Islam and Muslims, but a LITTLE TRAVELING among Muslims other then the ones in your neighborhood would help immensly.
NOW this guy will continue these irrelevant posts, and continue the melodrama like some cheap India soap. I will not answer this ignnorant propganda filled Hindu as it serves no purpose..
off course, you cannot answer...no muslim can. this i call the mind-set prepared against unbeleivers at your childhood stage...in other words it is nothing but psychosis.
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not only kashmir, but anywhere....repeat a lie thousand times, so that it looks like a truth (who said that)....i am sure that their time is over and the world community is well aware of their tactics....but psychosis needs treatment.
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i dont think that i will ever meet a muslim who can accept the reality, for that one needs an open mind and ventilation.
off course, you cannot answer...no muslim can. this i call the mind-set prepared against unbeleivers at your childhood stage...in other words it is nothing but psychosis.
not only kashmir, but anywhere....repeat a lie thousand times, so that it looks like a truth (who said that)....i am sure that their time is over and the world community is well aware of their tactics....but psychosis needs treatment.
i dont think that i will ever meet a muslim who can accept the reality, for that one needs an open mind and ventilation.
The only lie is the one perpetrated by Hindu propgandists and their tools...
There are no answers, because you have no point. I already answered your idiotic post, and you claimed I was crying. If you dont like the answer, I cant help you.
I will respond when you have a more intelligent question...