Hindu Temple in Islamabad

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well alot of awwws and owwss happening on this issue.... The leftists are saying if we don't give rights to the minorities in our country and don't let them build a temple then we will lose the moral ground to talk about the persecution of Muslims in other countries.

On the other hand the right wingers are saying that building a temple is not an issue and Hindus and other minorities can build their worship places but this should happen with their own money and a "Muslim state" should not fund such projects as this goes directly against towheed.... the oneness of Allah. Islam uprooted idol worshiping then how could we facilitate such a thing on state level..... even countries like US and India that have people from all religions don't fund such religious projects and people there build their worship places on their own at grass root level. At best you can help renovate an already standing dilapidated temple if there is any.... but funding the construction of a new temple from scratch at a new place is something which goes against towheed.

I was curious what our GS stalwarts have to say about this...

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Label me whatever but:

A) Hindus like any other minority do have a right to build their worship place. They already exercise this right all over.

B) The Govt should keep itself separate from this issue completely. Infact state should never been contributing to any religious worship place directly. Usually there should be a non-govt trust or some organization be taking care of it. Yes, as an administrative authority, Govt has to make sure everything is regulated including acquisition of land, money donation etc

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In my opinion,a Muslim state Should not fund it.

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The original post states leftists want minorities to have right to build temple. The right wingers are saying “this should happen with their own money“.

I don’t see any disagreement between left and right here. The OP does not state explicitly or implicitly that the leftists want the state to fund building of temples for the Hindu minority. So both the left and the right want the minorities to have the right to build temples. Period.

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The land was originally reserved for a new Buddhist monastery, not a new Hindu temple. But in the PML-N government, it got re-allotted. I think Pakistani Buddhists should be given a chance if they are OK with the re-allotment. Then, if making a temple makes our Pakistani Hindu brothers and sisters happy, they should do so but on their own expense.

Those Pakistanis who think making a new Temple/Synagogue/Monastery will make someone outside Pakistan happy for long, they are misguided. Within Islamic principles, only the happiness of Pakistani citizens should be of concern.

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Actually forget the funding thing, I don't know anything about that or what Islam says about it, but a lot of the right-wingers probably don't want to see a new mandir being built in Islamabad or elsewhere in the first place. So which reason is it really?

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Some muslims would go to any extent just to show to the ouside world that they are liberal, even if it means bulldozing off their basic beliefs.

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The entire city of Islamabad does not even have ONE temple! Wow!!

The OP mentions the right wingers concern was it should not be government funded. Per this article, the right wingers did not want the temple to be built at all. The court has ruled against the right wingers. However, the matter is going to be decided based on “recommendations have now been sought from the country’s Council of Islamic Ideology, an independent government body of religious leaders who advise government policy.“
clearly, per this article, the right wingers main concern is the temple should not be built at all. Might as well state that clearly in the OP or provide clarification later on. Here is the link.

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Re A, how exactly are the Hindus exercising their rights all over, if they don’t even have one temple in the entire city of Islamabad? Precisely why we need liberals in every country. The right wingers are out of control, and the moderates aid and abet by hemming and hawing rather than support rights of minorities, while at the same time demanding they get equal treatment when they are minorities elsewhere.

The fact of the matter is, the right wingers do NOT want the temple to be constructed Nader any circumstances, period. This is exactly why we need liberals to lead the way.

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[quote=““Pakistani Prince””]

Some muslims would go to any extent just to show to the ouside world that they are liberal, even if it means bulldozing off their basic beliefs.
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Ab aayi baat samajh mein. To you, simply building the first temple in Islamabad is not a matter for consideration, since it goes against Muslims “basic beliefs”. Why didn’t you simply frame it this way, rather than claiming in OP that the protest from the right wing was related to government funding?

By the way, the government was only providing partial funding. Even if you take that funding away, the right wingers do not want the temple built. Give the readers the full story, so they can comment. Some here appearing to be fair, claim that Hindus have been exercising the right to “build their worship place” “all over”. Which is either lazy or just plain dishonest. At least you are honest and state your position openly. That is the difference between moderates and right wingers. The former pretends to care about equal rights, but is too lazy (or worse)to actually ensure equal rights for minorities. You leave no doubt - minorities rights be damned, all that matters is Muslims basic beliefs.

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South trying to spread venom as usual. The most of the Hindus in Pakistan live in interior Sindh and
there are so few Hindus in Islamabad that they can easily be counted on fingers. When there is no population, there will be no worship places. Is not it that easy to understand?

There might be some fictions among right wingers who don’t want to see a temple being built in Islamabad but majority does not agree to this stance. The religious affairs minister who is seeing this matter has clearly said that “funding” is the issue here.

https://www.daw…ws/amp/1567777

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[quote=““Pakistani Prince””]

South trying to spread venom as usual. The most of the Hindus in Pakistan live in interior Sindh and
there are so few Hindus in Islamabad that they can easily be counted on fingers. When there is no population, there will be no worship places. Is not it that easy to understand?

There might be some fictions among right wingers who don’t want to see a temple being built in Islamabad but majority does not agree to this stance. The religious affairs minister who is seeing this matter has clearly said that “funding” is the issue here.

https://www.daw…ws/amp/1567777

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There are 3000 Hindus in Islamabad. Re fiction, read the link from Al Jazeera that I posted. It clearly states Islamists do not want the temple to be built. Period. Stick to facts. Don’t make stuff up.

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Here “basic beliefs” means towheed.. that there is no GOD but Allah and Muslims would not contribute to the construction of something which goes against it. If someone wants to build a temple or any such thing they are free to do so, but we muslims would not contribute to it and it does not make us extremist or intolerant.. Tum ko temple chahiye tou tum he bnaoo apne paiso so… hum sy qq paise mangg rahy ho bhooky kahi ke..

And don’t spread misinformation… As i said in my previous post, the majority of right wingers are not opposing it lolz. The Ulmah counsel board which is a group of clerics from different religious sects have announced support for the construction of temple. Now tell me is there anyone more right winger than molvies and clerics ?
https://www.dawn.com/news/amp/1568209

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What ya said is absolutely gold!

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Perhaps the hurt emotions of many Muslims in Pakistan can be traced to the demolition of the 500 year old Babri mosque in 1992 and the 2019 Indian supreme court judgement to not only vindicate those involved in the demolition but grant them full rights to the site. Plus the demolition of nearly 500 mosques and shrines during 2002 Gujarat riots. And mosques being set on fire during the 2020 Delhi riots. I know such facts don’t cloud your judgement but it does cloud the judgement of many mere mortals in Pakistan.

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^ hypocrite hotheaded mortals

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The issue is not about religious hatred of any kind.

Building the temple from public money should not be allowed.

Only donations by Hindu community should be used.

In a country where people have no clean water and infrastructure etc. despite paying taxes, spending money on a temple is unacceptable.

Islamabad has many temples by the way. Up to 13 Mandirs are in Islamabad area.

There was no proper paperwork for this temple and city had to stop building for this reason as well.

Imran Khan was wrong to grant $1.3millions of public money for building temple.

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Oh sorry for liberals ever-ready to yell and fight without understanding, let me further clarify. By all over means all over the Pakistan. Go find out how many temples are there in Pakistan and then we’ll talk. Staying ignorant doesnt help anyone

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Also when you say “entire city of Islamabad”, do you even know how big that “entire city” is? lol. Just very routinely making non-issues seem big and keeping blind eye on actual issues. Thank God we have moderates to work where right/left wings fail miserably :cobra:

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Sorry you are misguided.

If you do not know what Islam says about it then why bringing it to begin with?

It’s a separate issue and for now and with no intention to drag this on unless there is separate thread on it let me take liberty to say:

Islam says do not desecrate any place of worship, trees, crops etc. Not even in war.

If any non-Muslim build a place of worship then they can do.

Lots of Mandirs, churches and Temples were built when Muslims ruled all over Hindustan and world. No one stopped them.

This IS the history of Muslim rulers to allow worshipers to build their places of worship. Even Aurangzeb who is hated by Hindus in Hindustan (among his predecessors) made sure temples were protected.

On other hand, even in war situation Muslims were not allowed to destroy ANY place of worship.

Hope this is sufficient for now and I do not have to keep talking about it.

The part in bold in your statement is not true, uncalled for, and inflammatory. Please read your statements before posting.

If I recall, I had to correct you in another thread on another matter recently.

This issue is unnecessarily escalated by the media and people are talking about left, right, moderates, for no reason at all.

This is not about any religious hatred or right/left or otherwise.

It’s a matter of principle.

Imran Khan is an idiot who is trying to go out of his obligations of of providing necessitates to people of his country but with their tax money and he is trying to get cheap publicity/favour around the world.

Just pull the bull by the horn.

There should never be any obligation for tax payers to pay for a Mandir. Period.