HINDU site Bagging ISLAM!!!!

AA fellows;

This is rediculous stuff ever…

The following is a letter that I sent to the webmaster ----

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at a site that has someone hosting a host page with CRAP about ISLAM.
Everyone please copy and send the letter so that the site gets the message
and takes this guys page off the net.
The site is http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

It is full of Hindu stuff and nonsense about Islam!!!
Wa Salaam

START COPYING FROM HERE!!

Hello,
I am wanting to find out about having an account with you so that I may use
your service to vilify other races and religions.
I would like to use your site as a platform for religious hatred and
dissemination of false information.

I imagine this is an acceptable use of your services as you have allowed
others on your site to do that.

If you do not wish to allow me to do this then please do not allow others to
use your services in such an unacceptable manner.

The site I am referring to is http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/
http://www.flex.com/~jai/satyamevajayate/

Please let me know if you will allow me to publish things like this?

Thank you.

You know what i have just visited it and had to stop reading some of the filth they are spouting about our prophet and religion.************s........

They're the one who think that we're bashing their religion. Rani, ZZ, Dhir, Bombay Kid, PakistaniGharib, and Big Bull what do you have to say about this.

[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited June 20, 2000).]

by visiting hindu sites u give them the ratings.

the solution is not to visit their sites or other media. by visiting these websites and watching other means including tv, movies etc. we give'em the ratings and endup helping these scumbags.

Umair,

There are lots of muslim sites bashing idol worshippers and non-believers including Hindus and Hinduism. Madrassas in Pakistan teach their students to hate Kaffirs. Why are you so upset about one site when Pakistan's school system openly teaches young minds to hate India and supports it by twisting history. Terriorists are trained in Pakistan to attack and kill Kaffirs. You yourself have said many times that you hate Hindus and Indians ...well hatred begets hatred that is fact of life.

[This message has been edited by Rani (edited June 20, 2000).]

Don't knock this site you guys. It's a complete reference works where Rani gets most of her 'facts' from.

Xtreme,

You are absolutely wrong, this is the first time I have visited this site. Trust you to change the discussion so that you don't have to talk about Pakistan's school system and Madrassas. I am sure you have attended Islamic schools, which taught you to hate Kaffirs and idol worshippers. As usual to deflect from real issue of hatred towards India being part of political and acedemic life in Pakistan, you are resorting to personal attacks....something you must have learned in a madrassa.

[This message has been edited by Rani (edited June 20, 2000).]

This site has been pasted here before. It should be treated just like any other hate site -- whats the big deal in that. Haven't you seen other hate sites before. There are jew hating sites, pro nazi sites etc.....this site is just one of them.

UMAIR's response has been typical. "Thats the Hindus" he says. And you guys think that the Western world is unfair when they talk about "Islamic" fundamentalism -- that is they generalise. And here someone makes a hate site and you have already clubbed all Hindus responsible for it.

By the way Umair -- I have NEVER had problems with anyone bashing Hinduism on this forum -- others may have had BUT not me !! I have only responded if someone has "bashed" India. Most of mundyaa's posts are full of hatred towards Hinduism. On a lot of occassions he has pasted false and misleading stuff...but I am cool with it and it is his right to do it.

Is someone a hindu because they clain to be one? No more than anyone of any religion who claims to belong to that group. No more than anyone who goes round saying he is a muslim... or a christian... don't let yourself be fooled by labels, guys!

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Originally posted by Rani:
Madrassas in Pakistan teach their students to hate Kaffirs. Why are you so upset about one site when Pakistan's school system openly teaches young minds to hate India and supports it by twisting history. Terriorists are trained in Pakistan to attack and kill Kaffirs.
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there u go.... empty pot is clucking again!!

the same old ranting that she has been fed on for her entire life. A produce of hate environment herself, not able to distinguish b/w black & white, right & wrong and then comes here to give a lecture about Mudrashas in Pakistan - wat a twisted mind she is!!

I beg your pardon Rani. My mistake. You obviously condemn that site as misleading and false information peddled by lunatics. I call for a round of applause by everyone to acknowledge Rani's conscientious stand on this site.

clapclapclap

your admirer
Mr Xtreme

Quote:
"As usual to deflect from real issue of hatred towards India being part of political and acedemic life in Pakistan, you are resorting to personal attacks....something you must have learned in a madrassa."

Hmmm....Ye Madrasaas fees kitni charge kartay haiN??
I mean, not only do they teach you Urdu, Arabic, likhna, paRhna, they ALSO, teach you "personal attacks"??!!

Hmmm....I wonder if they offer Adult Education Programs

Hey Rani... how do you know so much about the Pakistani school system..were you ever enrolled in one of those madrassas??

And this sort of Muslim/Islam-bashing by Hindus is nothing new. Their idol worship has never made sense to anyone..not even to themselves, and instead of acknowledging the fact they resolve to undermining and criticizing others. I wouldn't be surprised that the same bigot who wrote that crap has a secret admiration for Muslims, but being unable to stomach that he is blurting out absurdities. And never mind Guppos...bigots like these come and go..the truth that is Islam lives on much to their chagrin.

Antidote

Their idol worship has never made sense to anyone..not even to themselves, and instead of acknowledging the fact they resolve to undermining and criticizing others<<

You are completely off the mark, idol worshipping is no different then facing the Kabba and praying or throwing stones at the pillars. Idols represent God they are not God and by worshipping them Hindus are worshipping God. Trust a muslim like you to make assumptions about Hindu mindset. I don't think any hindu will ever make an apology for it. Infact they are very proud of their religion to the extent that most of the Indian IT companies in Silican valley are started by performing pooja. I think you know very little about Hindus or India having lived in muslim Pakistan with miniscule minorities most of your life.

Read the article below to confirm Pakistani government's use of education system to preach hatred towards India. No doubt most Pakistanis grow up hating Indians and Hindus.

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Misguided zeal

By Ardeshir Cowasjee

"ALL bigotry is blind and stupid and savage. Sectarian bigotry is as bad as inter-religious bigotry. Bigotry stifles reason and the bigot in his frenzy is out to force all to believe what he believes."

This is what we were taught at school in Karachi not very long ago. But then our teacher was not a preacher. He was a Dasturan Dastur, a Shams-ul-Ulema, a Ph.D. from Colombia (1908), and in 1929 was given an honorary D.Litt. from the same university when it celebrated its 175th anniversary and honoured its alumni. His name was Maneckji Nusserwanjee Dhalla. He died in May 1956.

To move on to what is being taught to the children of today in our government schools and colleges and to quote from a recent report entitled 'The Menace of Education' written by Pervez Hoodbhoy, a member of the Education Advisory Board of the Federal Ministry of Education, an MIT man, who has managed to remain 'educated' in Pakistan. He teaches at the Quaid-i-Azam University in Islamabad and each year is invited to lecture at MIT and the University of Maryland.

"So what are the values currently being transmitted and communicated in Pakistan's schools? Obviously there is some variation across rich and poor schools, between villages and cities, and across provinces. But the basic road-map is provided by the school curriculum. Lest there be any confusion the reader should know that, by an act of Parliament passed in 1976, there is one and only one allowed road-map, prepared by the curriculim wing of the federal ministry of education, Government of Pakistan.

"The usefulness of having a national curriculum was soon recognized by Gen Zia-ul-Haq. In 1981 he decreed that henceforth Pakistani education was to be totally redefined and history rewritten according to his vision of Pakistan. From now on the struggle for Pakistan was no longer to be shown as a victorious struggle for a Muslim homeland. Instead, it was to be depicted as the movement for an Islamic state run according to Islamic law. Even if it conflicted with reality, the heroes of the Pakistan movement - Jinnah, Iqbal, Syed Ahmed Khan - were to be projected as Islamic heroes. Furthermore all subjects, including the sciences, were to be speedily Islamized."

Consider the impact of the national curriculum objectives on the mind of a 12-year old child in his last year at primary school. He is not taught to hope for a joyous future, a good life in a peace loving country in which goodwill towards man and the well being of its citizens prevails. The child is told that life is all about battling invisible enemies and that fear is to be feared.

The kindergarten to class v curriculum adopted by the ministry of education in 1995 is, to say the least, a bizarre piece of work. At the completion of Class V the child has to be able to - 1) explain the importance of the work of past heroes of Pakistan. 2) identify the great personalities who contributed to the making of Pakistan. 3) demonstrate an appreciation for the work of Muslim heroes. 4) demonstrate respect and reverence for the founder of Pakistan. 5) demonstrate respect for the leaders of Pakistan.

How is a child meant to do all this? In fact, how can any sensible adult be expected to respect, lumped together, a group consisting of, inter alia, Ghulam Mohammed, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, Zia-ul-Haq, Nawaz Sharif, Benazir Bhutto?

Amongst the objectives to be achieved is the ability to - 1) understand the Hindu and Muslim differences and the resultant need for Pakistan; 2) know all about India's evil designs against Pakistan; 3) acknowledge and identify forces that may be working against Pakistan; 4) demonstrate by actions a belief in the fear of Allah; 5) demonstrate the Amongst the objectives to be achieved is the ability to - 1) understand the Hindu and Muslim differences and the resultant need for Pakistan; 2) know all about India's evil designs against Pakistan; 3) acknowledge and identify forces that may be working against Pakistan; 4) demonstrate by actions a belief in the fear of Allah; 5) demonstrate the desire to preserve the ideology, integrity and security of Pakistan; 6) make speeches on jihad and shahadat; 7) guard against rumor mongers who spread false news and to stage dramas signifying the evils of rumors; 8) understand the Kashmir problem; 9) collect pictures of policemen, soldiers and National Guards. desire to preserve the ideology, integrity and security of Pakistan; 6) make speeches on jihad and shahadat; 7) guard against rumor mongers who spread false news and to stage dramas signifying the evils of rumors; 8) understand the Kashmir problem; 9) collect pictures of policemen, soldiers and National Guards.

How can a child be expected to preserve ideology of Pakistan? And how on earth is a 12-year old expected to understand and know all about the 'Kashmir problem'? As for the speechifying, one is rendered speechless.

He must also know - 1) the place of Pakistan in world affairs; 2) the importance of the location of Pakistan in the world and specifically to other Islamic countries; 3) the role of the Defence Forces of Pakistan; 4) the functions of the Supreme Court of Pakistan; 5) the problems of Pakistan.

He is expected to - 1) discuss electric load-shedding; 2) visit garbage dumps and police stations [presumably to define the basic differences between the two].

Now to quote from a textbook entitled 'Pakistan Studies' published by the government to be taught in Classes IX and X : "After the death of Aurangzeb Alamgir in 1707 AD his successors could not control the vast Moghul Empire and as a result South Asia gradually fell prey to the forces of anarchy." One reason given is "the spirit of holy struggle and war (Jihad) which was the fountainhead of power of Muslim kingdoms faded gradually. Thus the military power became weak. Ease and laziness blunted the military prowess."

For some unknown reason, when the story of Pakistan catches up with the 20th century and the 1980s, there is a lacuna as to the departure of Zia-ul-Haq from the national scene : "Unfortunately the Junejo government was dismissed on May 29 1988 after it remained in power for three years and two months. The National Assembly and the provincial assemblies were dissolved by the president. In November 1988, general elections were held on a party basis."

Discussing factors that lead to the high birth rate in Pakistan, the book teaches that the primary factor is the "hot climate of the country." And on the secession of East Pakistan, all that the book has to say is : "Bangladesh was separated from Pakistan and became an independent country in 1971."

Compulsory reading for BA, B.Com, MBBS, and B.Sc Engineering is another book entitled 'Pakistan Studies' which attempts to explain the ideology of Pakistan : "What does Pakistan mean? It means there is no God but Allah." Dr Ishtiaq Hussain Qureshi defines it further : "Thus the Pakistan ideology is the guiding principle of the Muslim majority regions of the South Asian subcontinent for obtaining an ideal Muslim state, Pakistan which has been chosen as a keynote for passing life, both individually and collectively, according to the Islamic conception of life and for resurgence of Muslim society."

In the year 2000, we finally have a government which acknowledges that education is a most vital sphere of national development : "A comprehensive review of the education sector is in progress with the aim of identifying specific strategies and actions to ensure fundamental and purposeful improvements in every sector of this most vital sphere."

The Chief Executive, General Pervez Musharraf, has chosen well as far as his education ministers are concerned. Dr Zubeida Jalal, the federal minister of education, is a liberal well-qualified woman, approved of by all our known and able educationists who in the past have had to cope with men such as Ghous Ali Shah. Professor Anita Ghulam Ali, the provincial minister in Sindh, has mobilized a team of twenty English-speaking university teachers and engaged them in rewriting the English text for the Sindh Textbook Board of books taught from Class I to Class XII. The minister in Punjab, Akhtar Saeed, is also reputed to be liberally educated as is the able and indefatigable literacy minister Shaheen Attiqur Rahman. In Balochistan, Dr Razia Babar is a Ph.D. in Geography; and in NWFP, we also have a liberal man in Imtiaz Gilani.

The six in charge of the country's education, with four women in the majority, get on well and form a competent team. They are keen to revise the curriculum and with the generals, the mullahs, and the politicians busy elsewhere, they should be able to get on with the job undisturbed. Cleaning up the curriculum is a must if there is to be any worthwhile education imparted to our citizens of the future


Dehatan

In your zeal to put me you down you have completely overlooked personal attack by your friend 'Xtreme'.

[This message has been edited by Rani (edited June 20, 2000).]

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He is expected to - 1) discuss electric load-shedding; 2) visit garbage dumps and police stations

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I find this part of the pakistani curriculumn pretty correct.

Rani jee, your'e saying that there are sites where Muslims are bashing Hindus. Would you please give me that site's address.

Mr. Xtreem, you were right. Rani behan is getting most of her facts from that site. Remember how she was talking about mogul Auranzaib killed all those sikhs. (See "To All Pakistanis, Who Hate India/Indians" in the General section.")
So Rani, next time when you say something, we know where you getting the crap from.

[This message has been edited by UMAIR316 (edited June 20, 2000).]

Umair,

Aurangzeb torturing and killling Sikh guru, Guru Teg Bhadar is part of the written Sikh history. Gurudwara Sis Ganj in Delhi is build on the spot the great Guru was behead.
I don’t need to go on any site to find out about our Gurus. As a child I used to Sisganj regularly. Read below the history of Sikh sacrifies and about Sikhism. As a Sikh i don’t hate anybody I only hate the sin.

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Shrine of sacrifice: Gurdwara Sisganj
Renuka Khandekar

NEW DELHI: Halfway down the historic mall of Chandni Chowk soars Gurdwara Sisganj. Its marble, gold and crystal float serenely over one of Sikhism’s bloodiest landmarks. For below the takht of the Guru Granth Sahib is the spot where Guru Teg Bahadur, the ninth Sikh Guru, was beheaded under a banyan, after watching three of his disciples being tortured to death. And true to the spirit of the `Hind-di-Chadar’ who sacrificed himself for the common people, Sisganj is very remarkably a people’s gurdwara. Besides the neighbourhood Guru Tegh Bahadur Higher Secondary School, it has three serais with more than 200 rooms. There are also five halls open as dharamshalas for free shelter, including separate halls for men and women. People come straight here from the Old Delhi Railway Station nearby,'' says management supervisor Raghbir Singh Gill. Besides yatris, there are people who need to go to foreign embassies, there are those with sick relatives, there are even elders cast out of homes or runaway girls who know

they will find sanctuary here. Or somebody critically ill comes here and we get them admitted to Irwin Hospital. Last month’s CPI rallyists stayed here, too. We take in everybody.‘’
Our gurdwara even helps victims of theft,'' adds a polite young sevadar, Jaspal Singh. The other day,‘’ says his elder, rejecting a thick steel kada for a fine one to slip over my bare wrist, a Muslim and his child came here. Their money had been stolen and they needed to go to Lucknow. We gave them Rs 300 for train tickets. And again, a man and his daughter, Hindus from Karnataka, came here in distress. Their luggage, tickets and money had vanished in Nizamuddin raliway station. They got Rs 800 from our distress fund.'' How can they tell the genuine cases? We look at their eyes, we hear them speak.‘’
There’s a free dispensary, naturally, averaging 40 to 50 patients, while the library subscribes to all the important newspapers. And the mammoth dailylangars at noon and eight at night, feeding five to six thousand people a day. When the Yamuna’s freak flood last year stole people’s homes, Sisganj langar was promptly despatched and again, when fire devoured the huge slum of Yamuna Pushta, mostly tenanted by Bangladeshi Muslims.
While others speak out against events in the past, how has Sikhdom’s bloodiest shrine sublimated its historical angst about Aurangzeb?
``Our Gurus made it clear that our fight was not against any other faith but only against whoever oppressed the common people. We don’t have holy wars, only wars against tyrants,‘’ says Mr Gill steadfastly.

Source: [This message has been edited by Rani (edited June 20, 2000).]

Forget about that site. It hasn't been updated in the past 2 years, or maybe even longer. I think whoever made that site gave up on it a long time ago, and it's about time we do too. There have been many campaigns to ban this site since I first saw it. So if you can hack it and trash it, go ahead. Otherwise, don't give it anymore free publicity.
I also doubt that it's really a Hindu person behind the site.
If someone did take the time to go through it though, you would notice that there was a hilarious thread here a while ago called "Islamic Terrorism". Whoever started that thread cut and pasted straight from one of the articles there.

Have you wondered why ulemas will not let you discuss/criticize Islam, Prophet(s) & the companions?

Is Fundamentalist Islam really a faith of Peace? Care to prove it?

Aren't the Prophet, his Companions 'mortals'
prone to temptations of life? Care to prove they were otherwise or saints & noblemen?

Why not pick a subject, any subject from the website and let's discuss it! You are not afraid of what you may be forced to learn? Are ya?

Face up comes with a very nice Idea.

I have a suggestion for the haters of the refered Website. Make your own website and reply to all the objections, and let the readers decide what they have to believe in. That is what internet is about.

Sword against Sword, Pen against Pen, and Website against Website! No more than that, no less than that!

I am a young person from Pakistan who has seen the madrassas very closely. I completely agree to what Rani has to say, but some of the claimers of knowledge here have been pretending too much to be knowing what they don’t. And its always a good option to ignore and smile

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