HINDU FANATICISM

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I don't understand this concept of change in Hindu religion.

Its true every religion goes through change at different times but that doesn't mean that the whole shape of your religion should be changed.

After reading rvikz, kumarakn's posts I think whole Hindu religion is going to be updated soon.

Secondly Musilms arn't just being blamed for Sati in India there many other false alligations on Muslims.

I don't know how Hindus can slander about
Muhammad Bin Qasim
Shahaab ul-din Ghauri
Mahmood Ghaznavi
Alla ul-Din Khilji

and many more

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if relign is in the way of progress of a nation and welfare of its people there should not be a problem of dumping part of it or the whole thing.

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Kumar and Co

So what your are actually saying is that Hindu women have rights (ONLY since this century by the way), but you believe it is adequate to compare them to Islamic Womens rights, which have been prevalent for over 1400 years.

Maybe in another 1300 years or so, a comparison for Hindu women rights may be argued!

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[quote]
Originally posted by rvikz:
**The powerful feudal lords in Pakistan are all "upper caste" hindus. They still retain their titles like "Chaudhry" etc.
Three groups found in Indian Muslims of Bengal:

1.Ashraf or better class Muslims - The Sainads, Sheikhs, Pathans, Moghul, Mallik, and Mirza.
2.Ajlaf or lower caste Muslims - Cultivating Sheikhs, and others who were originally Hindus, Darzi, Jolaha, Fakir,

Mallah, Kula Kunjara, Kasai, Kalal, Dhunia, Abdal, Bako, Chamba, Dafali, Dhobi, Hajjan, etc.
3.Arzal or degraded class - include Bhanar, Halalkhor, Hijra, Kasbi, Lalbegi, Maugta, Mehra.

**
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Mr Rvikz, these things have been developed by influence of Hinduism by those who were not practising Muslims in anyway. And all the divisions you have made don't have 'caste' division from religion at all. All these divisions do not have anything to do with Islam. These 'feudal lords' are puppets / puppies originated by British rule.

There is no such thing in 'Ashraf', 'Ajlaf' or 'Arzal' either in society or Islam. In Islam, everyone is respected by Allah by his 'taqwa' / 'obedience to Allah'.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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[quote]
Originally posted by wasir:
**I don't understand this concept of change in Hindu religion.

Its true every religion goes through change at different times but that doesn't mean that the whole shape of your religion should be changed.

After reading rvikz, kumarakn's posts I think whole Hindu religion is going to be updated soon.

Secondly Musilms arn't just being blamed for Sati in India there many other false alligations on Muslims.

I don't know how Hindus can slander about
Muhammad Bin Qasim
Shahaab ul-din Ghauri
Mahmood Ghaznavi
Alla ul-Din Khilji

and many more**
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you are right, soon after Windows 2000 release, they were supposed to release Hinduism 2000 but some software engineers moved to US and Germany so it is delayed. (just kidding)

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
**All right I take back my point that Sati originated after Islaic invasion. I was wrong.

At the same time the following statements hold good - after some research on the web.
.......
the ritual of the diety in doing archana or veda recitation while she is mensturating, since 1991.
**
A stunning change! A salute to its success!!
**
....**
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Finally, after probably 'doing research' you found that your claim was bogus. Please keep doing 'your research' and you will find that your other claims are bogus as well.

[li] The issues of Hinduism are being fixed, one after another - at their own pace. It is constantly changing - unlike some other religions of the world, who know not that they do wrong.[/li]
Is it not the proof that Hinduism is incomplete religion which has to be 'upgraded' every now and then. It will always be incomplete and incorrect as per our beleif as long as it beleives in more than one GOD.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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we may be even using animal parts in humanbeings. technolgy is outgrwoing the religen so fast we may have to accept changing world. what is opinion of religen in using weapons of mass destrution
whic did not exist or mentioned in religen.

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Sholay:

That is ur intrepretation. Indian women had equally good rights/status during different times, based on that particular time.

And today Indian women have different rights/status which sound right today and hopefully a few millenia from now.

It is a process, not a milestone.

FYI, on a side note, Hinduism has been the only religion where a woman god is worshipped since 5000BC.

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Religion does say that “DO NOT KILL CHILDREN, OLD-MEN/Women, DO NOT DESTROY LANDS”. Now you know what ISLAM says or talks about, that should clear some of confusion in your mind.

I know next thing you would do is ask “Why Pakistan has NEUCLEAR BOMB” etc…

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/smile.gif

, go ahead and ask.

If you want to follow science almost as your religion, go ahead, there are tons of people who would support you in doing that. If you want to look the world from OWL’s eye, want to walk using PIG/Donkey’s legs, or breathe with Monkey LUNGS, go ahead do that.

Islam forbids use of PIG. about using other parts of other animals, its upto the individual to decide (IMO) what way he choses and (s)he’ll have to answer that to Allah about the decision (s)he made.

We oughta be Changez like, don’t we?

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Rvikz:

WMD not mentioned in Religion?

What about Brahmastra mentioned in 4500 BC? When Pari**** launches brahmastra, Arjuna shoots another. Seeing a premature end of the universe, God interferes and angrily chides Arjuna for being reckless. Arjuna bows to god and says Parik**** launched it first!

God solds both of them, takes it on His hand and saves the end of universe.

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Changez_like:

What makes you think that there exists a religion that is complete?

If you think Islam is, then you are collossally wrong. Religion evolves with human thinking What you think to be right today may not be right tomorrow. Also, what seems to be right to one person may not seem to be right for another.

The maturity of a religion is demonstrated by its flexibility. The older the religion it is, the more flexible it will be, for it would have understood that it is sooo wasteful an effort to try to paint the world with one single color. It simply is not possible.

There will never be a point where the whole world will have one religion. One man's cult is another man's utopia.

Want proof that Islam is changing? what percentage of muslim women wear shorts today and what percentage wore them in the 14th century? How many muslims were gay in the 14th century and how many are now? Why is Islam implemented differently in Afghanistan from Pakistan which is different from Saudi Arabia? Definitely these are changing. People's perception of their religion is changing.

*Change is a reality. Accept it or be destined to die. *

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
**Changez_like:

What makes you think that there exists a religion that is complete?

If you think Islam is, then you are collossally wrong. Religion evolves with human thinking What you think to be right today may not be right tomorrow. Also, what seems to be right to one person may not seem to be right for another.

The maturity of a religion is demonstrated by its flexibility. The older the religion it is, the more flexible it will be, for it would have understood that it is sooo wasteful an effort to try to paint the world with one single color. It simply is not possible.

There will never be a point where the whole world will have one religion. One man's cult is another man's utopia.

Want proof that Islam is changing? what percentage of muslim women wear shorts today and what percentage wore them in the 14th century? How many muslims were gay in the 14th century and how many are now? Why is Islam implemented differently in Afghanistan from Pakistan which is different from Saudi Arabia? Definitely these are changing. People's perception of their religion is changing.

Change is a reality. Accept it or be destined to die. **
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It is beleif of ALL MUSLIMS that ISLAM is completed. It outlined all guidelines, it gave you the basis in which you can judge what is permissible and what is not.

You talked about shorts. Gayism in Muslims. These are ALL personal acts. You can find prostitution in 'Muslim' society but that does not mean that it is "ALLOWED" in religion. If one committs adultery, he is accountable for that. If one dresses against the teachings of his/her religion, (s)he is accountable for that... it does not mean that RELIGION has changed. FOLLOWERS have changed, but the Religion has NOT changed.

The decline we see of Muslims is because they are not following their religion completely.

Thats different from Christianity though, they started to make things PERMISSIBLE which were FORBIDDEN for them, basically opened up their religion for changes according to HUMAN demands (not NEEDS).

IF Muslims are doing something that is FORBIDDEN (whether 1300 years ago or today) does not make it PERMISSIBLE. Thus, religion does not get changed if followers changed themselves.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
Changez_like:
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There will never be a point where the whole world will have one religion. One man's cult is another man's utopia.
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Why is Islam implemented differently in Afghanistan from Pakistan which is different from Saudi Arabia? Definitely these are changing. People's perception of their religion is changing.
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That is true, WORLD will never be under ONE religion. This is what I beleive too. But people try to GET AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.

Islam is not IMPLEMENTED differently in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is not a TRUE Islamic government. It too, like other individuals picks what it likes and ignores what it dislikes.

We yet have to see how much Islam is implemented in Afghanistan, so far they are forming better place to practice Islam.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

[This message has been edited by Changez_like (edited August 01, 2001).]

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The opposite of the religious fanatic is not the fanatical atheist but the gentle cynic who cares not whether there is a god or not.
- Eric Hoffer

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So you won't change religion to meet human demands? Well try marrying more than one in USA. You will know what will happen!

Jokes apart! Whom are you kidding Islam isn't changing? Though I do accept that is is changing with a lottttt of inertia.

How many Muslims wear lipsticks? Is that Islamic? How long will Islam try and forbid that practice? If it doesn't accept lipsticks, a whole bunch of women will simply ignore such Islamic guidelines.

How many muslims have a beard? Does your CE have a beard? How many muslim women venture out with being accompanied by men? How many muslim women wear burqa? How many muslim families have dogs? Things are changing. If Islam doesn't change with them, it will becomne a part of museum.

To show the longevity like Hinduism, a religion has to adapt. Islamic guidelines, such as the ones mentioned above, are irrelevant and outdated. If Islam doesn't change, it will simply die. Period!

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
** If Islam doesn't change, it will simply die. Period!**
[/quote]

Ibrahim says; It never seizes to amaze me how the educated make a fool of themselves.

In one breath he claims his religion is surviving because it changes and in another breath he claims Islam need to change in order to survive , not knowing Islam is the fastest growing religion on this planet, even today because it has remained INTACT as revealed.

These Pathetic hindus have discarded and adjusted their teachings according to their whims and fancies even thought their own scriptures had warned them not to do so.

Read

    **The man who rejects the words of the scriptures,  and follows the impulse of desire attains neither his perfection, nor joy,  nor the Path Supreme.  Let the scriptures be, therefore, thy authority as to what is right and what is not right.  **

n Bhagavad Gita 16.23-24

Devoted to truth
Ibrahim

The secret of failure is trying to please everybody

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kumarkan islam is practical religen you cant judge by individual intrepertation and taliban practises of tribal culture.
and also just because it happened to be pakistan's religen we should not have prejudicial view. every thing we see in the context of india-pakistan . pakistan may use its islamic credentials for political purposes.

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Mushrooms grow fast!

Banyans grow horizontally and slow!

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
**So you won't change religion to meet human demands? Well try marrying more than one in USA. You will know what will happen!

Jokes apart! Whom are you kidding Islam isn't changing? Though I do accept that is is changing with a lottttt of inertia.

How many Muslims wear lipsticks? Is that Islamic? How long will Islam try and forbid that practice? If it doesn't accept lipsticks, a whole bunch of women will simply ignore such Islamic guidelines.

How many muslims have a beard? Does your CE have a beard? How many muslim women venture out with being accompanied by men? How many muslim women wear burqa? How many muslim families have dogs? Things are changing. If Islam doesn't change with them, it will becomne a part of museum.

To show the longevity like Hinduism, a religion has to adapt. Islamic guidelines, such as the ones mentioned above, are irrelevant and outdated. If Islam doesn't change, it will simply die. Period!**
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again, you are bringing examples of WHAT PEOPLE DO... it does not mean that they are following religion when they act what is forbidden.

there are lots of people who do not act on Islam, and there is another lot who is sticking to Islam. Allah prmoises rewards to those who stick to Islam.

lipstick is allowed within house of husband to be 'attractive' to husbany only, not roam around and attract everyone towards her. if someone wears lipstick and roams around its HER OWN act, but *does not imply that ISLAM has allowed her *

When you said that "Islam will die". Yes, part of our DOOMSDAY does say that right some years before total disaster (when universe collapses) Islam will be eliminated, all Muslims (the practicing ones) will die and EVIL shall prevail all over the world. This is our beleif.

We oughta be Changez like, don't we?

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[quote]
Originally posted by kumarakn:
Mushrooms grow fast! Banyans grow horizontally and slow!
[/quote]

Ibrahim says; Religion means a way of life that had been ordained by God, it is not about mushrooms or banyan trees.

So GET a life, make sense when you talk and get out of the well!