hindu extremism

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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
** So if Islam solves all problems, then why isn't Pakistan a virtual heaven on Earth?

As for Islam being a way of life.. Agreed, but then if I had a quarter for everytime I heard an Hindu, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, and Sikh say that, I would be rich...
I think all religions can help solve problems. The reason they dont is because peoples ego's get in the way, and it becomes an "im better then you are" situation every time. Once we can control our egos, then every religion can basically be interpreted in the same way. Basically, here's what all religions want you to do, Be kind to others, avoid hurting all living things... That sums up all relgions i think.

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Salaamz

why pakistan or and other so caleld islamic contries are backwardeness is becuae they dont IMPLEMENT ISLAM as a idealogy and they dont understand islam....the problem is the rulerz and the non application of islam as a system (merely implementing a few punishment laws does not mean it is a islamic state, currently ther is no ISLAMIC STATE)

as with regards to otehr religions solving societal problems how can they do that when the religion only deals with

(1) deals with relationship between man and their so called god (i.e the rituals)

(2) man relationship with himslef, (i.e clothing,foods)

so they can say what they want but fact of the matter is that they dont have a system that tells them how to solve societal problems... hindu,chritinaity, doesnt have a
economic system,judicary system,forign policy,social system,education system,how to set up a govt, etc.....all religions in the world dont have these, al they have is a set of ritauls.....

...Islam isnt a religion rather its a idealogy which has beleif and from which a system emanates to solve mankinds problem...and dont 4get islam solved mankindz problem 4 over 1400 yrs until it was destroyed in 1924 by the hands of the west and the kuffar mustapha kamal

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As for Islam being a way of life.. Agreed, but then if I had a quarter for everytime I heard an Hindu, Christian, Jew, Buddhist, and Sikh say that, I would be rich…
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Adnan Bhai, Assalam Alaikum

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The reason why Non-Muslims keep repeating that is they find it hypocritical.
It is hypocritical because those who say don’t leave it at “way Of Life” period.
They claim it is a COMPLETE way of life!!

Then ofcourse Islam has to explain a lot of things!! From wars between Muslim countries to Islamic Terrorism to the Internet!!

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And there is one more stereotypical respoonse that clubber lang immediately supplied. Namely the problem is that those trying to implement Sharia are not ‘Islamic’ countries!!!

Read Below!!!

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why pakistan or and other so caleld islamic contries are backwardeness is becuae they dont IMPLEMENT ISLAM as a idealogy and they dont understand islam…
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Islam does not need to answer anything at all.

The hardcore fact is that Islam has ALL the answers that mankind requires!

Whether everyone sees the answers or not, is an individual CHOICE.

Not everyone has the identical IQ.

And IQ is God-given. So who is to blame? God sure has a lot of fun mucking around like this.

Wake up! God is but a figment of your imagination.

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Originally posted by queer:
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And IQ is God-given. So who is to blame? God sure has a lot of fun mucking around like this.

Wake up! God is but a figment of your imagination.**
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Well said. Smartest statement I've read on this site thus far

You've just proved my point to the Tee!

God has given individuals different levels of IQ.

Some find your comments smart and some find them ludicrous.

God might be the figment of my imagination, but prove me wrong.

Prove there isn't a God?

No need to respond with 'prove that their is a God etc etc etc etc etc', as this is predictable!

Now ask yourself one question.

????????????

I'll leave you to work out THAT question and look forward in vain to your explanation.

Whatever it is.

When innocents are butchered in Gujrat, Adwani and Modi have named it ‘mass movement’.
It smells something fascism.
Strange that the world community has taken a very little note of the statements of NDA/ RSS leaders.

Our Muslim friends must understand what a Madrisa can do.
RSS is a Hindu Madrisa.

All of a sudden it becomes a such and such MADRASA!!

Instead of being intelligent and honest enough to accept your own realities, you tend to push the blame somewhere else!

And I suppose Hitler was also a Muslim, trained in a Madrasa!

Not your fault!

Blame the elders and peers!

Ibrahim says: Look at how they point the finger at each other, while the killing has yet to stop!

** Hindus can’t be fundamentalists, say Sangh outfits**

Thursday, March 28, 2002

NEW DELHI: Close on the heels of Prime Minister Atal Bihari Vajpayee’s advice to keep away from the Hindutva of the stagnant variety, Sangh Parivar outfits today asserted in one voice that “no true Hindu can be a fundamentalist”.

** “No true Hindu can be a fundamentalist,” the RSS spokesman M G Vaidya told PTI** when asked about Vajpayee’s statement last night that it would be better to “keep a distance” from the kind of Hindutva being practised by some now.

Asked whether Vajpayee was referring to Sangh Parivar outfits such as RSS, VHP and Bajrang Dal, Vaidya said, “The question should be asked to the Prime Minister.”

Vaidya, however, said he did not find anything objectionable in the Prime Minister’s statement that Hindutva should not be equated with religion as it was “a way of life” which kept on evolving itself.

Speaking at a book release function here, Vajpayee had said when Swami Vivekananda spoke of Hinduism, nobody called him being communal. “But now, some people have defined Hindutva in such a manner that it is better to keep a distance from it.”

Meanwhile, reacting to Vajpayee’s statement, ** VHP senior vice president Acharya Giriraj Kishore said, “Hindu cannot be a fundamentalist, that is why we are a secular nation. Let him (Vajpayee) maintain a distance, if he considers anyone a fundamentalist.”**
http://www.naradonline.com/displaynews.php3?id=43108

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: A Hindu holy man, member of Hindu nationalist party Shiv Sena, participates in a protest near Parliament in New Delhi, India, Thursday, Sept. 20, 2001. The party members were protesting against the terrorist attacks on the United States. (AP Photo/Amit Bhargava)

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: Police officers try to stop an activist of Vishwa Hindu Parishad, or VHP, a Hindu nationalist party, wielding a trident during a demonstration before entering into the Legislative assembly building in Bhubhaneshwar, eastern India, Saturday, March 16, 2002. More than 500 VHP activists, who wanted to submit a memorandum to the state chief minister on Ayodhya issue, stormed into the assembly building of Orissa state and ransacked many wings of the two storied building including chambers of several ministers. (AP Photo/Shivji Moulik)

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: An Indian Hindu rioter brandishes a sword in the western Indian city Ahmedabad March 1, 2002. Troops arrived in India’s riot-torn western state to crush religious violence that has killed more than 190 people in two days, the worst communal bloodshed in a decade. (Arko Datta/Reuters)

** RSS a terrorist organisation

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uri swami **

New Delhi, March 28. (UNI): Shankaracharya Swami Adhok Sahajanand Devthirathji Maharaj of Puri ** today accused the RSS of being a ``terrorist and separatist organisation’’ **

and said those responsible for the communal carnage in Gujarat should be punished.
Condemning the reign of terror unleashed in Gujarat following the Godhra carnage, the controversial Shankaracharya told reporters here that the Prime Minister and the Government were incompetent as they failed to check the violence in time.

``The elements of Sangh Parivar should stop this religious hypocracy. All those responsible for the heinous crime should be punished.‘’

** The Shankaracharya said killing and burning alive people and attacking their religious places was not allowed in any religion. ``It is not religion, but crime.** It has broken hearts and caused pain to thousands of people.‘’

In a joint statement with Archbishop Vincent M Concessao, the Shankaracharya demanded that those involved in vandalism and terrorism of any kind, should be immediately brought to book.

Both the religious heads also expressed apprehension that POTA could be detrimental to the interests of minorities who were already under attack and pressure from some fundamentalist quarters. They called on all people of goodwill to come forward to bring peace and harmony in the country.
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/holnus/02282203.htm

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YEAh Andhra thats is hwat i said and i will say it agian…

“why pakistan or and other so caleld islamic contries are backwardeness is becuae they dont IMPLEMENT ISLAM as a idealogy and they dont understand islam”…

so what is excatly u point??? udonmt have a point u just repeating what i said…which is that islam is a idelogy which has a beleif from which a system emantes to solve mankinds problem…

currently ther is only 1 idelogy which exist.. the west captlists idelogy (although not the correct 1 it is still a idelogy) unlike religions they dont have a system to look after society, so hence they r not idelogy!!!

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Originally posted by Victory:
**Yeah Clubber,

Islamic terrorists are more experienced than their Hindu brothers, so they are more careful in not leaving any evidence. **
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Absolutely Right. They are getting education is madarasa. Voilence are in their blood.


Fight for Justice

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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
Muslim fantics have global aspiritions that not only extend through out this life time, but also into the next...
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Yeah yeah. Also they are very cooperative with each other. Right.
Muslim coutries are fighting each other. They dont like each other.Where as pakistan. Only pakistan is used for personal purpose by any country. Who have good relation with pakistan. THere is one ally USA just to use pakistan as a condom nithing more.


Fight for Justice

[This message has been edited by Shadab (edited May 19, 2002).]

The problem with hindus is this that they would never admit their mistakes.
They are the people who would support all kind of butchering against not just muslims but other minorities as well.

We muslims don't feel ourselves responsible for everything that muslims do. While these hindus will justify everything done by their fellow butchers.

so my dear friends; don't waste your time argueing with these stubborn mulees, their heathen hearts just can't admit the truth.
evilness of Hindus surpasses all the expectations of civilized world.


"Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Conqueror of Ideas, Restorer of Rational beliefs.... The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

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Shadab; i am not sure whether you are a self haterd muslim or a non muslim.

But if you are a muslims than read the comments of victory, that will show you how much these hindus care for their indian muslim fellows.

Love and loyalty for one's country is a good thing, but supporting all negative aspects of its people and blaming everything on the other side of border is not right.


"Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator, Conqueror of Ideas, Restorer of Rational beliefs.... The founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

If they can swear allegiance to all different sorts of IDOLS as their Gods, then it's no surprise that they swear allegiance to all different types of Humans!!

It's called Hypocrisy.

As far as Shadab is concerned he/she is new on the Forum, so it's no surprise with the 'comments'.

Let him/her get their 'two penny' comments.

Because that's all they are worth!!!!!

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Originally posted by secret_obsession:
**The problem with hindus is this that they would never admit their mistakes.
They are the people who would support all kind of butchering against not just muslims but other minorities as well.

We muslims don't feel ourselves responsible for everything that muslims do. While these hindus will justify everything done by their fellow butchers.

so my dear friends; don't waste your time argueing with these stubborn mulees, their heathen hearts just can't admit the truth.
evilness of Hindus surpasses all the expectations of civilized world.

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But thats not true for all Hindus.. There are many out there who are really embarrased by all thats happened.. Even some of the Hindus on this site, except they would never admit this to Muslims, particularly Pakistani Muslims. Another reason they seem so indifferent is that these people who were slaughtered were not members of their group. It always hurts most when someone in your own family is hurt somehow... But to those outside this family can never know how it really feels, all the can do is sympathize.

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The problem with hindus is this that they would never admit their mistakes.
They are the people who would support all kind of butchering against not just muslims but other minorities as well.
We muslims don't feel ourselves responsible for everything that muslims do. While these hindus will justify everything done by their fellow butchers.

so my dear friends; don't waste your time argueing with these stubborn mulees, their heathen hearts just can't admit the truth.
evilness of Hindus surpasses all the expectations of civilized world.

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Secret_obsession:

Where in the world do you think I supported these fanatics. You show me one posting of mine where I supported these mobs, then I will quit this forum.

You can't be farther away from Truth. How do you think that nearly 850 million Hindus are against 120 million muslims. If all Hindus are fundamentalists then India would have been in civil war.

Regards, my sympathies for the butchers, I would suggest the rogues to be publicly hanged. My blood boils whenever I read of the atrocities committed on the innocent Men, women and children. I can never understand the Mob mentality with which these savages acted. How in the world do you think that We Hindus will condone the act. I dont care for the criminals. They should pay for the deeds. If Hanging takes time, then just put them under firing squads. Idiots!.

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But thats not true for all Hindus.. There are many out there who are really embarrased by all thats happened.. Even some of the Hindus on this site, except they would never admit this to Muslims, particularly Pakistani Muslims.

Adnan Bhai, I feel ashamed when I think what these fanatics have done to my country and my people. I can never understand how you can hurt a small child who has just opened its eyes to the (Not so) beautiful world. It will be a long time before the wounds are healed.

A strange problem is disturbing our Muslim friends, that Hindus must accept the mistake vs violence in Gujrat.

Killings are not a mere mistake, it is very easy to say and run away. Killings are a blunder. Killing of innocents is a direct outcome of religious hardcore Madrisas.
Some of our Muslim friends did not like when I mentioned that RSS is a Hindu Madrisa.

Let Hindus feel shame for this blunder in Gujrat!
The world community is always very conscious for fascist tendencies, but the statements of Adwani and Modi went without any notice. They named the violence and killings in Gujrat ‘ a mass movement’.
I am sure that many in India have lost interest in RSS since that day.

Of course all Hindus must take responsibility for the killings in Gujrat!

This is the same logic used in labelling Muslims.

Therefore, in line with Equality, all Hindus are murderers, terrorists, barbaric, illiterate and Inhumane!!

Stereotyping works both ways!!

Well, what have we learned today boys nd girls?
Answer: Never generalize...