Hindu, Christian students struggle in Arabic in state-run schools

Is it possible to allow students, chose language based on subjects…may be as an ‘optional’, somewhat like we have in India with languages as optional.

Or is Arab language compulsary subject?

I understand from below report that Islamic education is optional for those who wish to opt-out…how does it generally affects the performance of student in terms of scoring the marks?

I want to know Arabic as a language being optional…since report suggests Islamic education is optional.

Also is there additional languages like Hindi, English, French, German, Sanskrit etc. available on option?

What’s Pakitsani education system in secondary schools?

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http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2007/04/29/story_29-4-2007_pg7_14

*By Amar Guriro

*KARACHI: Seven-year-old Angela finds it difficult to study Islamiyat at school. “I don’t know if I have to study it or not, but it’s really difficult to pronounce the Arabic properly,” she said.

Angela, one of many children belonging to the Hindu Maheshwari, is a class three student at N. A. Bechar Government Primary School that has been converted into the Syed Mahmood Shah Ghazi Government Primary School in Old Kumbhar Para near Lee Market in Lyari Town.

She is one of thousands of other non-Muslim students, including Hindus and Christians, who are left with no choice but to study Islamic education rather than their own religion in state-run educational institutions. A majority of over two million Pakistani Hindus have lived and worked in Sindh for centuries and half a million of them live in Karachi city alone. The Sindh government and the education board of Karachi have failed to implement a separate syllabus in the city’s primary and middle schools for minority students.

“Islamiyat” (Islamic studies) is compulsory for all Muslim students in state-run schools but there is no parallel curriculum in other religions. The education board has introduced “Akhlaqiyyat” or Ethics to cater to them but most of the state-run schools in Karachi do not allow non-Muslim students to take it up. In reality, teachers often force these students to sit in Islamiyat classes. This takes place even though no written permission has been acquired from the parents of the child in question.

When Daily Times visited schools in Old Kumbhar Para near Lee Market, Lyari and the Miran Naka area most teachers were unaware that there was a parallel subject to Islamic education. In most of these schools, the non-Muslim students were said to be studying Islamiyat. “What else we can do if the state is encouraging such practices,” said Gunesh Maheshwari, a resident of Lee Market. His three children, studying in different classes, are studying Islamiyat rather than ethics or any other parallel religious studies. Aside from the fact that this is confusing for them, they don’t do very well in the subject either. “How can a child who has never heard Arabic in his or her life at home suddenly study Islamic education,” said Satipal, another resident.

But Abdul Salam Abbasi, the headmaster of N. A. Bechar (Syed Mahmood Shah Ghazi) Government Primary School tells an entirely different story. “Many non-Muslim students who study Islamic education appear to be keen about the subject and they get more marks as compared to the Muslim students,” he said.

When asked about any possible solutions, former MNA Dr Khatoo Mal Jewan suggested Hinduism education for Hindu students. “Islam as well as the Constitution of Pakistan fully protects the basic rights of religious minorities and it is the duty of the State to protect their rights,” he told Daily Times.

Advisor to Sindh Chief Minister on Minority Affairs, provincial minister, Kishan Chand Parwani, bluntly rejected that such practices exist. “Islamic education is not a compulsory subject for all students, there is an option for non-Muslim students to study ethics but if the students and their parents do not want to avail the option then what can we do?” he said. He said that no school in Karachi forced students to study Islamic education. “I will personally look into the matter if any school has issued a written circular for non-Muslim students to study Islamic education by force.”

Re: Hindu, Christian students struggle in Arabic in state-run schools

As usual the secularists are making a mountain out of a mole hill..

It's handy to learn all languages, they should teach Arabic, as well as Sanskrit, and Latin etc... It's a terrible excuse that just because kids don't hear Arabic at home they can't learn it... Most Muslims kids don't know Arabic other than the regular prayers and phrases either... It can't be that hard since our national script is related to the script used for writing Arabic or Persian.

We had to learn German/French at school, the Urdu/Bengali option wasn't there till late but we didn't complain... We also had to sing hymns, say the Lord's prayer every morning and afternoon and say grace before we ate, we had to go to church and take harvest presents for the vicar but we had no choice, we had an option to go to Islamic schools and have our parents pay but we didn't make use of it so that's our own fault.

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its sad minorities must not be taught forcibly but should be adhered by law of separate education and teacher for affairs..

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in teh begining every language seemz pain in ass....but as time goes by every one puts in their resume :D

my gori frnd know two words of punjabi n 5 words of urdu (besides swearing) n she told every one...oh i know punjabi, urdu n hindi....hehehehe.

n there is nothing bad in learning...in fact u get better jobs...HAVE SOME DEEP FUTURISTIC ANALYSIS

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yah same shyt as latin in uk schools, everyone deals with it.
next..

err, arabic is not a required language in schools.

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When islamiyat is optional than i am guessing so is Arabic? Just opt out ,as for schools introducing other religious studies that is just wishful thinking. With country like pakistan investing as little as possible in education dept it will be highly unlikely that they will offer other religious studies. Besides it will pushing it, even in developed countries hardly do schools offer other religion's education for free.
Usually minorities either have a social service providing scripture classes for free in schools or kids are privately schooled about their respective religions.

On another note picking a bit of Arabic isn't harmful for non muslim student either since they are going to be living in Pakistan, might just come in handy in future.

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well the article suggests that even though the educational authorities have options for people, that schools are not implemnting it. I fnd that odd because the years that I was i Pakistan, being a farangi I was given an option to study advanced english and salees urdu. I decided not to take the option, and my horrible marks in urdu indicated that I should have taken the option.

kher.

the title is misleading, because i dunno what the article has to do with arabic

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I just find it a little phunny actually. Public schools dont force student to study anything! Highly unlikely. I think teacher just like to keep them under their wings since i doubt they'll give them a free period . Poor kids they never get a break in schools.

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In Islamiyat various surahs from the Quran are taught. Those are hard enough for Muslim students, most of whom are unwillingly just going along with whatever is taught in Islamiyat. In most Pakistani schools there is no real way to opt out of classes, other than maybe sitting outside. The issue this article is raising is just that. There is no alternative course, and students cannot opt out either, because even teachers don't know about it.

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Yep i suspected that. That is why i made a second post.

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See, my views are pretty secular, but if I were a hindu in a muslim state, I would gladly study Islamiyat. Gives me power of knowledge of a religion that most people in the country are the worst followers of.

Mere do paisay.

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I think Muslims in India do learn Sanskrit, right?

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Don't know about government school but in private school we had civics as an alternate for Islamiyat for non muslim students.

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Mostly students prefer English as medium of instruction or any regional language(Like Hindi/Urdu, Tamil, Telugu, Malayalam etc.) depending upon which part of India they belong to.
Due to many languages, educational institutions in each state offer myriads of them as optional plus some foreign languages like French/German etc.

Sanskrit is also one of the many optional languages....students prefer this probably because it is only high scoring subject in language category to increase the overall percentage in marksheet.
Sanskrit gives a possibility for a good student to score say 50 out of 50....while other languages like Hindi, Urdu, Tamil etc. are not that scoring.

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^ so are you trying to say that each and every school in India offers these languages options????

wow I am impressed, India sure HAS invested alot in education then!

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Nope not each...I meant good educational institutions--mostly private in cities....not sure about rural areas where I think majority of students still depend on government run schools.

But as far as language is concerned, issue is sorted out by offerring at least one optional language.....it may not be true in rural areas, I agree.

Example in state of Maharshtra --- Languages offerred Marathi, Hindi/Urdu/Sanskrit.
Also they carefully plan the language depending upon population in the locality.....at least in Maharashtra state it's like this.