Re: Hijabi girls/women..
Your telling me. I was looking forward to the drama this created. But frankly this is worse than the battle in Um Baru a few months ago.
Oh yes.
:AID:
Bashing? This is not bashing.
Anyhow Jaanwar, why are u so reluctant to answer, do you think your own attitude may have something to do with the bitter responses that you have experienced from hijaabi's?
As a general rule, people's words or behaviour PROVOKES a response, could be good, could be bad, but it's response all the same.
I understand what you are saying, but I don't think I have ever said anything outrageous or provoking to any hijabis. My discussion has been on business related matters and some other general issues including religion to some extent. You have not interacted with me on a personal basis so you wouldn't know (and perhaps believe) that I am quite civil and friendly in my conversations and interactions. I just stated what I observed i.e. generally my own interaction and interaction of others with hijabis. I never claimed to be right, I just said this is what I have observed and was wondering what others feel about it.
My my! “challenges to his bigoted views”, listen to you 
If you took the pain to read my first post, I specifically stated that it was based on my interaction with hijabis and my discussion with other people. It is my own judgement based on my experience, and naturally any “challenges” or one might say ‘other views’ are very much likely to make me think otherwise. Although it is heartening to see you jump right into the middle of it and do your moonwalk, I have already stated that some members have posted quite sensible and convincing replies. I am not fighting a battle here, I am discussing something I observed, and my mission is not to refute all challenges and be the mighty green giant, I am open to other’s views and understand them. Having said that, your post smells like you belong to the religious and political forums - although I might be mistaken 
Re: Hijabi girls/women..
janwaar. Listen to me. You are NOT CM.
Niki…even non-hijabis try to give guidance to others. There is nothing wrong with giving guidance. However…there’s a proper way to give guidance as well. If one does it in a positive manner…it might even get the other person reflecting over the advice. BUT…the problem is when the hijaban or non-hijaban or ANYONE for that matter…gives advice in a such a brusque/harsh and judgmental tone. For example the example of the two women who RANDOMLY OUT OF NOWHERE started discussing how non-hijabis will go to hell while sitting across from me at a table. I had sat down them with to eat and one of them was my friend, a former colleague. Talk about LACK OF SUBTLETY! Talk about lack of TACT!
NOW…if one gives guidance in a nice way…and the other person get’s all judgmental and angry…then the other person needs to work on listening skills.
Certain things (namaz, roza) are farz…we get that. They SHOULD be done. But the issue that I feel some people are discussing here is that some hijabis will make hijab seem like the SOLE basis of judgment…by condemning them to HELL the INSTANT they see a woman without hijab. Well, that woman might go to hell more for another reason besides lack of hijab. Or perhaps she’ll go to heaven because Allah in His mercy liked something that she had done. There’s a very popular hadith of a prostitute’s sins being forgiven by Allah just because she gave water to a thirsty dog.
Am I trying to say that we should all become prostitutes? NO. What I’m trying to say is that if one has to guide…then it should be done gently…and without casting judgment…because the truth is that none of us knows how we OURSELVES will be judged by Allah so we can’t confidently condemn ANOTHER person to hell or assign them to Jannah on our own.
Another misconception is that a girl who doesn’t do hijab is of loose character or is weak in iman. Well, hijab is just one aspect of religion. I’ve seen non-hijabis who have never had a boyfriend and hijabis who don’t seem to have a problem having one. The issue here is not trying to bash one group of women or the other. The issue is that guidance by ANYONE should be done gently…and also without double standards.
janwaar. Listen to me. You are NOT CM.
CM is my spiritual guide :D
CM is my spiritual guide :D
In that case, you have a lot more than bitter hijabis to worry about.
Re: Hijabi girls/women..
I'm not saying its not there or IS there... but just for my knowledge... can someone quote from the Quran where it says HIJAB is mandatory? Not to practise modest dressing but specifically about covering your hair. Please and thanks!
Ladies you must remember just as Salat and fasting is Farz... so is wearing a hijab for women is farz. I think its dangerous to say " well i dont wear hijab, but i have other noble attributes and inshallah god will look past it". The importance of women covering their hair is written in the Quran and the Hadiths. As for attitudes tha "Hijabi" women have, Im sure it exsists, but that isnt a result of the hijab rather the bad personality of that person. These personality attributes can exsists in non hijab wearing women too, but they are not generalized. Sometimes we tend to judge pple very harshly that tend to wear hijabs. We must remember that wearing a hijab does not make us "holier than though". There are also many other things we must do as muslim women ie Salat, Zakat , Fasting... but also in our personality as muslim women hijab wearing or not , be kind, and patient. Sometimes people think some slightly more practicing women are preaching, but we have a responsability to other women when we see pple doing something not allowed in islam to let them know. As they may not know what they are doing is forbidden in Islam. Personally i hate doing this, i may casually let that person know what they are doing is forbidden, then i have done my bit Islamically and inshallah god will not hold me accountable. In the end of the day Allah has given us all the freedom to choose and what we all do will go to our own graves.
I'm not saying its not there or IS there... but just for my knowledge... can someone quote from the Quran where it says HIJAB is mandatory? Not to practise modest dressing but specifically about covering your hair. Please and thanks!
it doesn t
Chic chick, these verses are what ppl quote in regards to hijab:
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****Modest Dress in the Qur’an and Ahadith
** The Islamic dress code for women is based on verses in the the Holy Qur’an and the narrated traditions (*ahadith; *singular hadith) of the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) and early Muslims.
Verses and narrations which address women’s clothing include:
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“And say to the faithful women to lower their gazes, and to guard their private parts, and not to display their beauty except what is apparent of it, and to extend their head coverings to cover their bosoms, and not to display their beauty except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers, or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their womenfolk, or what their right hands rule (slaves), or the followers from the men who do not feel sexual desire, or the small children to whom the nakedness of women is not apparent…” (Surah An Nur: 31)
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“O Prophet! Say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the faithful to draw their outer garments close around themselves; that is better that they will be recognized and not annoyed. And God is ever Forgiving, Gentle.” (Surah al-Ahzab: 59)
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Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: “Asma bint Abu Bakr entered upon the Apostle of Allah while she was wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah turned his attention from her. He said: ‘O Asma’, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this,’ and he pointed to her face and hands.” (Sunnan Abu Dawud 32:4092)
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Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: *“*Safiyyah, daughter of Shaybah, said that Aisha mentioned the women of Ansar, praised them and said good words about them. She then said: ‘When Surat an-Nur came down, they took the curtains, tore them and made head covers of them.’” (Sunan Abu Dawud: Book 32, Number 4089)
Source: What Is Hijab? Islamic Dress Code for Muslim Women According to Qur’an and Hadith | Suite101.com
Pls check out the comments on the page as someone has pointed out some controversy regarding the above English translation of Surah An Nur 31.
Re: Hijabi girls/women..
^ it does. First, it's important for everyone to learn the proper Quranic arabic and learn the roots of the words and it's meanings.
The word hijab that we know and use today has a completely different meaning in the way it's used in the Quran.
Hijab literally means a phyiscal barrier or separation. People over time, especially nowadays, have started to use the word hijab as only to mean the head covering or piece of cloth. You won't find any ayah in the quran where hijab is used to find proof to cover the head/hair of women.
This is why when people open the Quran and specifically look for the word hijab they don't find any proof that women have to cover.
The word used in the Quran to describe the covering of women's heads is "khimaar"
Tell the believing men to lower their gaze and protect their private parts. That is purer for them. Verily Allah is All Aware of what you do. And tell the believing women to lower their gaze and protect their private parts, and not expose their adornment except that which appears thereof, and to draw their Khumur over their Juyub, and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands fathers, or their sons……., (Qur’aan 24:30-31)
This above verse uses the word Khumur, which is a plural of Khimaar, refers to the covering of the head.
Juyub means the body (specifically the chest and neck area)
Jilbaab means an outer-garment. This is the verse abour jilbaab.
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their Jalaabeeb over themselves. (Qur’aan 33:59)
When this verse came down the believing women immediately covered themselves with jilbaabs. And those who did not have any took their bedsheets and wore them.
And for those who still don't think that Khimaar mean's to cover the hair then read this verse again and please use ur common sense:
and not expose their adornment except that which appears thereof, and to draw their Khumur over their Juyub, and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husbands fathers, or their sons
Hair is probably the biggest type of adornment a woman can have. Normally a hijabi is likely to look a lot more attractive with hair flowing down than with a hijab on. Since it's an adornment, we should cover it.
And in another hadith the prophet SAW says that Allah SWT does not accept the prayer of any woman over the age of puberty who does not wear a khimaar.
Any madhab of any sect of Islam will tell you that when a woman prays she should cover her head. So if she covers her head to stand before Allah SWT, then why should she take her khimaar off at any other times?
I know this thread isn't about the proof of hijab/khimaar, but someone asked.
Hijabi's are people too, can't they have different personalities as well? You have the good ones and the bad ones. Stop trying to group them all together as if they're a special case or something. If a non-hijab girl was being B-y you wouldn't go telling your friend "that girl is such a B, maybe it's cuz she doesn't wear hijab!"
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LMAO! Based on this thread alone Padawan Jaanwar I promote you to full Jedi Knight of the Trolling Order.
Well done. The force is strong in you.
Just don't end up sleeping with a princess which leads to your ultimate downfall eh?
In that case, you have a lot more than bitter hijabis to worry about.
LOL
Jaanwar, does your attitude perhaps bring out this bitter behaviour from hijaabans you meet?
so true!
winning extra points? what are you on about? your dialogue is so weird!
if someone doesnt agree with you…then you take it as a personal attack! you are too sensitive.
the only one bashing away is you. stop thinking you are the victim everytime someone posts something you dont agree with.
like i said before…you have a lot of issues with people. its just your character not the hijabi’s.
70% of what? 20, 250, 500 hijabi’s? how many hijabi’s have you met? It’s odd how you don’t get on with any of them…have you ever thought that perchance it is your personality which is unlikable? Maybe they find you a really difficult person to get with who is incessantly argumentative.
you have come up with bizarre statistics…and opened up such objectionable threads. You have too many issues with too many things.
Also, you ask us bizarre questions and can’t take the heat at all when we challenge you with our questions! when you are incapable to answer a guppy’s challenging question, you panic and accuse them of personally attacking you?
Stop taking everything so personally. Leave people alone who don’t live with inlaws. Leave the poor hijabi’s alone.
You have so much time to open up such threads! i am laughing thinking of the next thread you will open! You think too deep. you have such a judging nature. Take things personally too much. You have too much time.
stop taking everything so personally and start enjoying life somehow!
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KC - awww man thats a rather harsh psychoanalysis after how I supported your very touching story a while back Anyway, considering your use of words, I am assuming that you have a decent degree, however may I recommend a study of the concept of sampling. Just to give you an idea, it might not be possible for me to interview 100% of the global hijabi population, so I would base my percentages on the basis of the sample that I have interacted with. The objective was not to point fingers at some of you hijabis, but to understand what goes on in the heads of those who are constantly wound up - again not pointing a finger at you And I must say, your statements about my personality seem so conclusive, you are SO knowledgeable! Plus, a word of friendly advice for you, you might want to consider self assessment before using the words victim and sensitive. Having said all, I do like you
CM - Provoking thoughts is what we do. sit back and enjoy the flight, ‘this is going to be a long one’ I said!
This thread has taken a non-fun turn! 