Sorry to say but hijab isn’t farz for no reason.
Re: My Niece
Except its not really part of the religion. Arab tradition, sure. But not the actual religion.
Check out a cool book. It's called the Quran. Has everything you need to know about Islam in it. Unfortunately, I think the whole Hijab thing was left out. Modesty, sure, yes, that's there. Covering your bosom, sure that's there. But cloth on head? Not so much.
Re: My Niece
^where do you get this stuff from?
And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their jilbabs veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband’s fathers, their sons, their husbands’ sons, their brothers or their brothers’ sons, or their sisters’ sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs, or small children who have no sense of the shame of sex; and that they should not strike their feet in order to draw attention to their hidden ornaments. And O ye Believers! turn ye all together towards Allah, that ye may attain Bliss; …]24:30-31
jilbab means HEADdress which extend /DRAW to YOUR bosom area…which is why we have so many women wearing hijabs…no just in Arabia, Europe, North Africa, South Asian, Chinese Muslims, Indonesia, and Malaysia and so on..
Plus we have hadithes supporting this view-
- Narrated Anas ibn Malik: “I know (about) the Hijab (the order of veiling of women) more than anybody else. Ubay ibn Ka’b used to ask me about it. Allah’s Apostle became the bridegroom of Zaynab bint Jahsh whom he married at Medina. After the sun had risen high in the sky, the Prophet invited the people to a meal. Allah’s Apostle remained sitting and some people remained sitting with him after the other guests had left. Then Allah’s Apostle got up and went away, and I too, followed him till he reached the door of 'Aisha’s room. Then he thought that the people must have left the place by then, so he returned and I also returned with him. Behold, the people were still sitting at their places. So he went back again for the second time, and I went along with him too. When we reached the door of 'Aisha’s room, he returned and I also returned with him to see that the people had left. Thereupon the Prophet hung a curtain between me and him and the Verse regarding the order for (veiling of women) Hijab was revealed.” Sahih al-Bukhari 7:65:375, Sahih Muslim 8:3334
- Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: “The Prophet said: Allah does not accept the prayer of a woman who has reached puberty unless she wears a veil.” Sunnan Abu Dawud 2:641. Abū Dawud is considered the third most authentic collection (after Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim).
- Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu’minin: “Asma bint Abu Bakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah while she was wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma’, when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands.” Sunnan Abu Dawud 32:4092.
- Narrated Umm Salama Hind bint Abi Umayya, Ummul Mu’minin: “When the verse ‘That they should cast their outer garments over their persons’ was revealed, the women of Ansar came out as if they had crows hanging down over their heads by wearing outer garments.” Sunnan Abu Dawud 32:4090. Abū Dawud classed this hadith as authentic.
- Narrated Safiya bint Shaiba: “Aisha used to say: ‘When (the Verse): “They should draw their veils (Khumur)** over their necks and bosoms (juyyub),” was revealed, (the ladies) cut their waist sheets at the edges and covered their faces with the cut pieces.’**” Sahih al-Bukhari 6:60:282, Sunnan Abu Dawud 32:4091.
Why do you have such an issue abt the hijab anyways…I mean why do you think it’s a bad thing?
Re: My Niece
"jilbab" is not the term used in the Quran.
If it is not mandated by the Quran, its not mandatory. then it just becomes sunnah if you want to do it or not.
Lots of things aren't specifically mentioned in the Quran.
How to do wudu, pray namaaz...in fact (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong), the words asr, maghrib and I think ishaa don't appear there either.
Re: My Niece
Exactly. Which is why conflicts between shias and sunnis like 3 vs. 5 namazein are ridiculous.
Re: My Niece
the Quran uses the word.."**khumurihinna"- which means in almost every tranlation HEADcover...
*وَقُل لِّلۡمُؤۡمِنَـٰتِ يَغۡضُضۡنَ مِنۡ أَبۡصَـٰرِهِنَّ وَيَحۡفَظۡنَ فُرُوجَهُنَّ وَلَا يُبۡدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا مَا ظَهَرَ مِنۡهَاۖ وَلۡيَضۡرِبۡنَ بِخُمُرِهِنَّ عَلَىٰ جُيُوبِہِنَّۖ وَلَا يُبۡدِينَ زِينَتَهُنَّ إِلَّا لِبُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ ءَابَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ ءَابَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ أَبۡنَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ أَبۡنَآءِ بُعُولَتِهِنَّ أَوۡ إِخۡوَٲنِهِنَّ أَوۡ بَنِىٓ إِخۡوَٲنِهِنَّ أَوۡ بَنِىٓ أَخَوَٲتِهِنَّ أَوۡ نِسَآٮِٕهِنَّ أَوۡ مَا مَلَكَتۡ أَيۡمَـٰنُهُنَّ أَوِ ٱلتَّـٰبِعِينَ غَيۡرِ أُوْلِى ٱلۡإِرۡبَةِ مِنَ ٱلرِّجَالِ أَوِ ٱلطِّفۡلِ ٱلَّذِينَ لَمۡ يَظۡهَرُواْ عَلَىٰ عَوۡرَٲتِ ٱلنِّسَآءِۖ وَلَا يَضۡرِبۡنَ بِأَرۡجُلِهِنَّ لِيُعۡلَمَ مَا يُخۡفِينَ مِن زِينَتِهِنَّ*ۚ وَتُوبُوٓاْ إِلَى ٱللَّهِ جَمِيعًا أَيُّهَ ٱلۡمُؤۡمِنُونَ لَعَلَّكُمۡ تُفۡلِحُونَ
The Quran doesn't mention praying FIVE times a day....the hadithes do...does that mean, it's optional. According to your logic I can pray only 1 time a day then...The hadithes are meant to clarify the meaning o fthe Quran. Although hijab issue is, in mainstream Islam for centruies has never been issue of whether it's in the Quran or not, (it;s so obvious), just like praying 5 times a day isn't it.
Classic example of how hijab is creating more problems for society than solving anything.
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haha did you really just say that? So hijab is creating problems in our "society" but wearing bikins and short shorts riding up the butt must be solving masla-e-kashmir? Sorry just had to take it out. Phew, feel better now!
The Quran doesn't mention praying FIVE times a day....the hadithes do...does that mean, it's optional. According to your logic I can pray only 1 time a day then...The hadithes are meant to clarify the meaning o fthe Quran.
That's what I was trying to say.
Re: My Niece
PCG...why do you have no so many issues with the hijab...a genuine question...why does it bother you when someone wears the hijab? SO what if a girl wears a hijab, for whatever reason. Cuz in so many of your posts your so antihijab...Hijabi girl...causing problems, Hijabi girl snooty, hijabi girls throw big lavish wedding, omg, hijabi girl this and that?
WHY?? why do yu care, if someone wears a hijab or not? It's like me having issues with girls just becasue they wear a tank top...it's irrational!
Re: My Niece
PCG I usually don't take part in debates regarding the hijab, but your comments are just beyond stupidity. Yes it doesn't say anything about hijab in the Qur'an, but in Islam we follow not only the Qur'an but Hadiths. You should try reading a few.
Wiser people than you (and all of us) have spent their entire lives studying the Qur'an, Hadith, Sunnah, etc. and I don't think I've ever come across a scholar that has said that you don't need to wear hijab.
Just so you know, I'm a very career-oriented hijabi who is working in a very demanding profession. I also have a famliy. Just because a woman chooses to cover herself, please don't make the ignorant mistake of thinking that she is an unpar jaahil.
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PCG I usually don't take part in debates regarding the hijab, but your comments are just beyond stupidity. Yes it doesn't say anything about hijab in the Qur'an, but in Islam we follow not only the Qur'an but Hadiths. You should try reading a few.
Wiser people than you (and all of us) have spent their entire lives studying the Qur'an, Hadith, Sunnah, etc. and I don't think I've ever come across a scholar that has said that you don't need to wear hijab.
Just so you know, I'm a very career-oriented hijabi who is working in a very demanding profession. I also have a famliy. Just because a woman chooses to cover herself, please don't make the ignorant mistake of thinking that she is an unpar jaahil.
Id actually like to know which hadith actually refers to covering ur head.. specifically :)
I have no issue with people wearing hijab... their own choice. But, i have an issue when people say it's in the Quran or that there is a hadith.. without actually quoting it.
Re: My Niece
A hadith cannot make halaal something which God has made haraam, and it cannot make something haraam which the Quran has not made haraam.
That’s simple logic.
Just because the hadith collectors thought certain hadith’s should get collected, doesn’t mean their wisdom was perfect. They were not getting revelations like the Prophet was. Well, unless you think there was diving intervention, then that’s different, but then you’re not thinking like a real muslim. :k:
haha did you really just say that? So hijab is creating problems in our "society" but wearing bikins and short shorts riding up the butt must be solving masla-e-kashmir? Sorry just had to take it out. Phew, feel better now!
Did anyone make this claim? I know I didn't.
But I'll tell you something. People sitting on a beach in bikinis acting like pervs are not responsible for things like 911 and other terror activities.
Re: My Niece
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin: "Asma bint Abu Bakr, entered upon the Apostle of Allah while she was wearing thin clothes. The Apostle of Allah turned his attention from her. He said: O Asma', when a woman reaches the age of menstruation, it does not suit her that she displays her parts of body except this and this, and he pointed to her face and hands."(Abu Dawood, Book 32, Number 4092).
From 30 seconds of Googling:
llah commands women to cover their heads in the Qur'an. The concept of the headcovering for women is in the Qur'an in at least two verses by virtue of its language and the implication of its meaning. Prophet Muhammad also expressed this verdict, and it was confirmed by his family, successors, and the `ulama who now guide us.
My argument for the obligation of the hijab rests on the fact that the Qur'an considers a clothing called the khimar obligatory, and that the khimar is defined as a headcovering, especially by virtue of the requirement that women cover their heads when praying.
Qur'an, the word "khumur" is used in 24:31. "Khumur" is the Arabic plural of the word "khimar." The khimar hasalways and only ever been a head covering. The meaning of the word never changed to a face veil or a chest covering. Suheil Laher remarks about this ayah, "The verse talks not about 'khumur' in general, but about 'their khumur', i.e. the women's khumur, and these are the scarves which they were wearing on their heads."
In general, I don't believe you can convince a person that doesn't want to be convinced. But here is the hadith. PCG, yes hadiths are just a collection made by people that did not have divine revelation. But the Qur'an tells us to follow the sunnah and we learn the sunnah through hadiths.
Islam is not all black and white, there are many grey areas. However, there is a hadith that is to the effect that if there is doubt, it is better to be safe than sorry. By no means am I trying to come off as holier than thou, but if I do something that is against Islam, at least I acknowledge it. I don't like people that change our religion to suit their needs because it makes them feel better about themselves.
People sitting on a beach in bikinis acting like pervs are not responsible for things like 911 and other terror activities.
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What's that got to do with the topic at hand?
And as for the type of people "responsible," all you have to do is flip through a history book. There are a variety of lunatics across a variety of cultures and time periods who have done and continue to do horrible things to the rest of humanity. It's not limited to to any one group.
I just want to mention something maybe offtopic,
Those who say hijab isnt a farz; what actually goes in your head?
Is it to be rebellious?
If so then stop, leave that for the teenagers who are confused. It doesnt suite your age.
Or do you just wanto argue for the sake of argument?
You are too old for that also.
So all those women who do wear hijab are all ignorant, and only the few of you (the ones who say ist not farz) have seen the real light.
Get over it.
Re: My Niece
^ but u do see a lot of so called muslims doing that for the past 2 decades at least.. and a lot more people doning beards and hijabs to prove a point, rather than understanding the reasons behind such things..
Maya, 30 second of googling and finding somethign does not mean its correct... how about spending a bit more time on it and actually doing proper research.. just cus u found something supporting your view, doesnt make it right.... :)
Re: My Niece
^I've quoted a legitimate hadith, did you read that? Just how googling doesn't make something correct, disvowing hadiths in the face of literally billions of muslims doesn't make your opinion correct.
I pointed out some logical arguments/evidence in favour of following the hadith (the Quran says to follow Allah and his messenger)
whereas you haven't given one reason to NOT follow the hadith.
I don't have the time to list off quotes and quotes to convince you guys, it's my bedtime!