Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
Bro George is never short on opinion. He has been saying heaps about Syria. Here is a couple,
Peace Pathan Bhai
Thanks for the videos ... Now can you post one that actually answers my question ... :)
Does brother George have anything to say about the protests in Lebanon outside the Iranian embassy against the Syrian Regime ???
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
The killing of Syrian people might be denied by some but it’s not denied by me.
I am not with Syrian regime. I am against their enemies, because their enemies are worse than them.
I was not with Sadaam Hussein. But I was against his enemies, because his enemies were worse than him. - George Galloway
Sadaam Enemies – Nato, Zionists, Israel, Iran, Jordan, Gulf States, Shias, Kurds etc etc
Sadaam Friends - generally Sunnis at large who were more further from Middle East
Bashar Assad Enemies - Nato, Zionists, Israel, Turkey, Jordan, Gulf States, Sunnis, etc etc ** Bashar Assad friends** - Iran, Hizbollah and Shias in general
The following is so appropriate
My enemy's enemy is my friend is an old Arab saying. It explains some strange political, religious alliances
Salams bro Ibn Sadique .... It's strange but I think that George is pro-ba'athist ... It does not make sense to view him as either Shi'a or Sunni supporter, but it seems he has aligned with the "undercover" communists ... socialists.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
Wa’alaykum salaam respected brother psyah - great to see you posting on this board
I met him several times. A very nice guy. Very articulate, words flow form his mouth so fluently and gets his point across strongly. I don’t think he is pro-ba’athist - He just wants the Muslims to stand up for themselves. I must point out that you are a very shrewd observant :lajawab::lajawab::lajawab: - His friends that I know of were former ba’athists (but no more).
Interesting Videos – I hope everyone listens to each and every word uttered
Former Hezbollah secretary-general Subhi al-Tufayli speaking the truth.
** hizbullah ex-secretary general Subhi Tuffeily says today hizbollah serves and protects Israel.**
Iran is Forcing Hezbollah to Go to Syria
Sheikh Subhi Al-Tufayli
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
Does brother George have anything to say about the protests in Lebanon outside the Iranian embassy against the Syrian Regime ???
I do not think bus full of protesters means much in the context of the events that are going on so chances of brother George commenting on it is not likely but I will keep a look out in case he does. Having said that he calls the rebels "army of crusaders" so one can imagine what his point of view is going to be.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
I think some posters as well as articles are twisting the facts what is happening in Syria.
It is ture that Syria, just like Saudia Arabia, gulf states, Jordan and many other Muslim states is dictatorship, and it is right of peole to get rid of dictators, that they should do in all these states, if not today then tomorrow.
Anyhow, as far as present conflict in Syria is concenrned, it is nothing to do with Syrian people’s uprising against dictatorship, but it is sponsored invasion of Saudi agents with the help of America, Israel, and western countries to change regime in Syria.
It is also untrue that those who are fighting Syrian government are Sunnis or even Syrians, rather they are Wahabi/Salafi invaders along with Syrian Wahabis/Salafis, and it is dishonesty to call them (Wahabis/Salafis) Sunnis. These parasites are not only killing Shias but are also killing Sunnis all over Muslim world, and are creating fitna/fisad on this earth. So, for Hizbullah to side with Syrian government is not going to create any sectarian divide, neither it would create hatred for Hizbullah amongst Sunnis. Actually, those Hizbullah would be fighting in Syria are not Sunnis, but they are Wahabis/Salafis and their likes (monkeys from subcontinent who like to behave as Wahabis/Salafis), who already hate Hizbullah.
As for Hizbullah siding with Syrian government, I can understand their reasons, and I think they are justified to do so. Reasons are:
1: Syrian government always helped Hizbullah fight Israel, with weapons, intelligence, money and all type of resources Hizbullah ever needed. Syrian government also helped Hizbullah in getting weapons, training, and aids from Iran, mostly through Syria. Thus it was time for Hizbullah to payback.
2: When Hizbullah was fighting Israel, Wahabis were praying for Isreali victory against Hizbullah, whereas all Muslims (Shias and Sunnis) were praying for Hizbullah’s victory. It shows that Wahabis are bigger enemy for Hizbullah in particular and Muslims in general, then Isreal (Wahabis are enemy of Islam who claim to be Muslims, but are partners of kuffar).
3: Hizbullah must be aware that if Syrian government falls, then Syria is not going to be taken over by Syrian Muslims but it would be taken over by radical Wahabis, who are dangerous to them (Hizbullah), to Islam, and to Syrian Muslims too. At least present Syrian government, even though it is dictatorial rule, they serve Syrian people better than most other Middle Eastern dictators, like dicators of Saudia, gulf, etc.
4: If Syrian government is fighting Wahabis, then it was duty of Hizbulalh for their own future to help Syrian government, as Wahabis in control of Syria would be too dangerous for Hizbullah’s own future … as, if such would happen then in next fight with Israel, Hizbullah would find facing Isreal from front and Wahabis in Syria colluding with Israel and attacking them from behind.
So … whatever is happening, I think Nasrullah is intelligent person to know who to fight and who to support, for his own good and for the good of his party.
For me, I think that once Hizbullah succeeds in crushing Saudi and wesren sponsored Wahabis in Syria (that I believe would not be big problem for Hizbullah), they should use that opportunity to expand their power base in Syria, and extend their struggle towards Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other gulf states, by sending their men and sponsoring revolution in these states. If they would do that, then it would be a favour on all Muslims.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
well said. Only ones who have problem with Hezbollah were never too fond of them anyway and this is just another excuse for them to try to malign them. But it is an organization with clear vision and strong roots within Lebanese society and their people stand behind them no matter what as seen in the war of 2006.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
Anyhow, as far as present conflict in Syria is concenrned, it is nothing to do with Syrian people’s uprising against dictatorship, but it is sponsored invasion of Saudi agents with the help of America, Israel, and western countries to change regime in Syria.
Just like how they helped Shias in Iraq slaughter sunnis right?
It is also untrue that those who are fighting Syrian government are Sunnis or even Syrians, rather they are Wahabi/Salafi invaders along with Syrian Wahabis/Salafis, and it is dishonesty to call them (Wahabis/Salafis) Sunnis. These parasites are not only killing Shias but are also killing Sunnis all over Muslim world, and are creating fitna/fisad on this earth. So, for Hizbullah to side with Syrian government is not going to create any sectarian divide, neither it would create hatred for Hizbullah amongst Sunnis. Actually, those Hizbullah would be fighting in Syria are not Sunnis, but they are Wahabis/Salafis and their likes (monkeys from subcontinent who like to behave as Wahabis/Salafis), who already hate Hizbullah.
Stop inventing new labels. Wahabi/salafi/talafi/barfi. Reality is shias are killing the innocent people who came to help the syrian people. Shias show no mercy.
For me, I think that once Hizbullah succeeds in crushing Saudi and wesren sponsored Wahabis in Syria (that I believe would not be big problem for Hizbullah), they should use that opportunity to expand their power base in Syria, and extend their struggle towards Jordan, Saudi Arabia and other gulf states, by sending their men and sponsoring revolution in these states. If they would do that, then it would be a favour on all Muslims.
hizbullah nasr nusairee dajjal has one thing in his mind that is shia dominance. Thanks to the mujahideen, that will never happen.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
well said. Only ones who have problem with Hezbollah were never too fond of them anyway and this is just another excuse for them to try to malign them. But it is an organization with clear vision and strong roots within Lebanese society and their people stand behind them no matter what as seen in the war of 2006.
just like terrorist mqm party of Karachi? roots can be destroyed inshallah with tsunami ;)
Not really. more like the other way around.
They’re not exactly innocent, if they came to fight. Here you go another example of how ‘merciful’ those rebels are. They only seem to be able to kill women, elderly and children. Is this their idea of ‘helping’?
Reports of ‘massacre’ in eastern Syria
Last updated: 9 hours ago
British-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights says at least 60 Shia Muslims killed by rebels near Deir al-Zour.
Syrian rebels have attacked a village in the country’s east, killing dozens of Shia Muslims, activists said.
A Syrian government official on Wednesday denounced the attack that occurred a day earlier, saying it was a “massacre’’ of civilians.
The Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said at least 60 people were killed in the village of Hatla in the oil-rich province of Deir al-Zour, bordering Iraq.
A video supplied by the Observatory showed masked fighters shouting, “Here are the Mujahidin [Islamist fighters] celebrating entering the homes of the rejectionists, the Shias.” The authenticity of the video could not be independently verified.
The fighters added that they “burned the homes” of the Shia residents.
The reported killings highlight the sectarian nature of Syria’s conflict that has killed more than 94,000 people, according to the UN. Both sides in the fighting have been accused of abuses, with the UN saying that war crimes are a “daily reality” in Syria.
Thousands of rebels took part in the attack and at least 10 of them were killed in the fighting, said the Observatory.
In Damascus, a government official told the AP news agency that the rebels “carried out a massacre against villagers in which older people and children were killed".
Opposition sources told Reuters news agency that “agents” of President Bashar al-Assad had been trying to recruit and arm fighters for his cause, and the Observatory claimed most of the dead were pro-Assad Shia militiamen.
The fighting in Deir al-Zour came a week after Syrian troops, backed by Lebanon’s Shia Hezbollah group, captured the strategic town of Qusayr near the Lebanese border after nearly three weeks of fierce battles that killed dozens of troops, rebels and Hezbollah members.
You mean like these ‘mujahideen’ fought in qusair? In that case hizbullah has nothing to worry about. They’re all words and no trousers it seems.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
Just like how they helped Shias in Iraq slaughter sunnis right?
Slaughter of Sunnis in Iraq? … Well, not Sunnis, but Wahabis/Salafis/Kharjees, or whatever you would like to call them, but certainly not Sunnis as these Parasites are not Sunnis. Well, Kharjee Parasites were killing Shias in Iraq and then Shias retaliated, no big deal.
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Stop inventing new labels. Wahabi/salafi/talafi/barfi. Reality is shias are killing the innocent people who came to help the syrian people. Shias show no mercy.
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Calling Spade a Spade is not invention. These Wahabis/Salafis/Kharjees/Animals/Al-Q/Taliban (or whatever you would like to call these Parasites) could be Talafis or barfis (according to your dictionary) … but certainly they are not Sunnis.
Reality is that, it is these Kharjees who are creating fitna/fisad killing Shias and Sunnis all over Muslim world without human character as they are animals incarnated in human body so cannot have human character, and it is time they should be shown the door to hell quicker than their natural death.
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hizbullah nasr nusairee dajjal has one thing in his mind that is shia dominance. Thanks to the mujahideen, that will never happen.
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Calling Khajees with name Mujahideen is great sin and injustice to Mujahideen. Kharjees are dogs of hell and Mujahideens are resident of Heaven, so how can one call Khajrees as Mujahideen? One should fear Alalh when calling Kharjees as Mujahideens.
Shia dominance … where and in what way?
In Iraq Shias were majority subjugated by Saddam, and now, after American invasion (with the help of Saudi and UAE), now enforcing their independence and right of getting ruled by themselves. In Lebanon, situation is same, where Shias are largest group and thus are showing domination at places they are majority. So, you cannot say that Shias are showing domination in these places, as their dominance is due to their numbers. So, where do you mean Shias are showing domination?
Actually, what I can see is that in most Muslim countries (from Algeria to Pakistan), it is the cursed army of Wahabis/Salafis/Kharjees/Animals/Al-Q/Taliban (or whatever you like to call these Parasites) supported by their paymasters in Saudia, gulf states, and probably western countries, influenced by Wahabi heretical teachings, are killing Muslims (both Shias and Sunnis) and wanting to impose their domination on Muslims by force. But InshaAllah, sooner or later, Muslims would send them to hell where they belong.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
^^^ When we talk about Kharjees fighting in Syria against dictator regime, we should know that they are not Sunnis but Wahabi Kharjees, whose religious beliefs and practices are much different than Islam (Sunni or Shia Islam). Wahabi Kharjees are biggest enemy of Sunnis (as well as Shias). A glimpse of Wahabi hatred and persecution of Sunnis is given in the article below (though there are many writing on the subject), as these people are persecuting Sunnis in Saudi Arabia since their inception, and they are persecuting Sunnis (as well as Shias) in every Muslim country today.
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Islam Times Exclusive:
Saudi Arabia discriminate against Sunnis
Islam Times - The Saudi Arabian government likes to present itself as a protector and benefactor of Sunnism. Nothing could be further from the truth. Saudi Arabia is not a Sunni, but a Wahhabi state. This must be made perfectly clear…
Islam Times - Saudi Arabia discriminate against Sunnis
Since the foundation of the Wahhabi sect in the 18th C it has shown extreme hostility towards Sunnis. In fact Saudi Arabia emerged through a series brutal wars with non-Wahhabi Sunnis.
The plight of Shiites in Saudi Arabia is well known, but few know about the rampant discrimination against Sunnis. When the Wahhabi army of Abdelaziz ibn Saud invaded Mecca in 1924 scores of Sunni scholars were killed and Sunnis books burned. Through violence and intimidation the Wahhabis managed to destroy all other Islamic schools of thought in the occupied city.
Until today non-Wahhabi Sunnis are prohibited from giving sermons or lectures in any mosque in Saudi Arabia. Wahhabi preachers routinely insult and condemn Sunnis and their beliefs, but Sunnis are not allowed to even gently criticize Wahhabism. Anybody who dares to do so is fined, thrown in jail or tortured. Non-Wahhabi Sunni books, like classic collections of poetry praising the Prophet (pbuh), are banned and if found, confiscated.
There is a huge difference between mainstream or traditional Sunnism and Wahhabism. For example Sunnis believe in the intercession of Prophet’s and Saints and they love and revere the Household of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Sunnis also encourage visiting the graves of righteous Muslims, seeking their blessings and praying for their intercession. Wahhabis on the other hand abhor these practices. Sunnis acknowledge four schools of Islamic law, while Wahhabis insists only Wahhabism is valid.
The King of Saudi Arabia calls himself “Custodian of the Two Holy Shrines”. A more adequate title would be “Destroyer of the Two Holy Shrines”. When the Wahhabi army had captured Mecca and Medina in the 1920s they immediately started to ferociously destroy tombs, mosques and other sites which Sunnis hold dear and sacred.
The Wahhabi government of Saudi Arabia spends enormous sums of money to convert Sunnis into Wahhabism. This is done through the media, mosques and schools and the distribution of free literature. In order to divert attention from this missionary campaign and to hide the differences and the animosity between Sunnis and Wahhabis, they constantly talk about the invented conflict between Sunnis and Shiites. Shiaphobia, demonizing Shiites, is the Wahhabi way of conjuring up a false threat to lure Sunnis into their trap.
Unfortunately many uneducated Sunnis are deceived by this Shiaphobic propaganda and end up looking upon Saudi Arabia as an ally in the imagined “battle against the evil Shiites”. The irrational hatred against Shiites thus reaches a point where Sunnis are willing to belittle or forget the many differences between Sunnism and Wahhabism. Meanwhile the Wahhabis hijack mosque after mosque in Sunni countries and in poor Somalia the bloody Wahhabi war against Sunnis rages on unabated.
That is why we who oppose this Wahhabi agenda should never stop pointing out that there is not a single Sunni mosque or Sunni institution of learning in Saudi Arabia. All traditional Sunnis practices, such as celebrating the birthdays of Prophet’s and Saint’s, are forbidden. It is quite ironic that the Sunni population of Shia dominated Iran are more free to express their faith than their brethren in the state of the self-proclaimed “Custodian of the Two Holy Shrines” and “defender of Sunnis”.
There is not a country in the world were Sunnis are persecuted as severely as they are in Saudi Arabia. The government treats Sunnis as second-class citizens and in the eyes of many Wahhabi clerics Sunnis are not even Muslims but rather “innovators” and “grave worshippers” who deserve nothing besides contempt and punishment till they convert to Wahhabism.
In short: Saudi Arabia is not the friend, but the enemy of Sunnis.
Mohamed Omar is a Swedish poet and freelance write**r
©Islam Times
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That is true. Wahhabis fought with Ottomans who were Sunnis. Therefore Wahhabis considered them mushrik and kafir, and saw no difference between Ottomans (sunnis) and non-Muslims like Christians.
When Wahhabis finally managed to occupy Hijaz, Sunni ulema from that area had to flee to Kuwait, and other adjacent areas.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
^And now hezbollah (they replaced the wahabis) is fighting against Sunnis (Syrian rebels)....or you're going to come up with "oh no they're only fighting the wahabis in Syria"?
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
**Khoji **– Inter- school of thought rivalry is part and parcel of life. If you only had bothered to look into 12ers history you would have found the same:
Usulis versus Akhbairis
Both branches of 12er Shiaism considered the other as infidels!!!
Read the follow extract:
*Under al-Bahrani, Usuli scholarship was considered impure but Bahrani was not politically influential, although his student, the famous Sheikh Al-Hurr al-Aamili in his book Amal al-amil writes “He was a mountain and ocean of knowledge, No one from among the previous scholars preceded his knowledge or reached his status”. {Edit: This seems completely incorrect. The Al-Bahrani referred to in this quote is referring to Sayyid Hashim Al-Bahrani. However this article is relating it to another scholar; the previously mentioned Yusuf Bahraini, who died nearly a century after Sheikh Al-Hurr Aamili}
It was Muhammad Baqir ibn Muhammad Akmal al-Wahid Bihbahani who challenged and defeated the Akhbaris and eventually became the most politically influential cleric in Karbala in 1772. Bihbahani’s theology was not welcomed by the Akhbaris. Although this controversy had begun as a minor disagreement on a few points, it eventually grew into a bitter, vituperative dispute culminating in Bihbahani’s declaration that the Akhbārīs were infidels(Kuffar).[7] However, the dispute remained purely intellectual.
At first there was a large population of Akhbārī activists at the shrine cities of Iraq but it was Bihbahani who, at the end of 18th century, reversed this and completely routed the Akhbārīs at Karbala and Najaf. South Iraq, Bahrain and a few cities in Iran such as Kirman remained Akhbārī strongholds for a few more decades but eventually the Usuli triumph was complete and only a handful of Shī‘a ulamā’ remained Akhbārī to the present day.[7]
After the theological coup brought about by al-Wahid Bihbahani by military methods, the Usuli school became instrumental to the Iranian regime.*
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
Google is great, isn't it!
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
^ So true Pathan Bhai - But one has to know what one is looking for. Ain't that so? :)
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
Sa1eem ... I must say this totally fabricated outlook of what you say about Syria is laughable. I have been hearing news from Syria since I was in my early 20s ...
First thing I remember hearing about is that there is a leader who is in place who demands almost worship, that he himself is an Alawite ... And they call Sayyidina Ali (RA) a manifestation of God ... Auzdubillah ... Also, I had seen reports of them being saying that they see themselves as being closer to the Christians than to Muslims ...
So it is ironic (khoji that bro George calls the uprising against the people who identify as Christians as a Crusade) ...
I had also heard from an ex-colleague whose surname is Yazigi ... Yazigi is a famous Christian family name with strong powerful ties in Syria, he told me that the layers of secret police, and departments spying on other departments and individuals picked out to do patsy missions makes the American CIA look like a primitive establishment. I also know Syria was in the news for Black Ops interrogations during the time when they were picking up new tenants for Gitmo.
If any government in the Middle East was in league with the Americans it was Syria ... But it had another motive too ... It was politically aligned with Russia.
It is no secret that both American and Russian regimes have a problem with Islam.
Lastly, I have been saying from the beginning ... This uprising from the Sunni perspective has an official voice ... Shaykh Muhammad Al-Yaqoubi ... Just listen to him and see for yourself that he is both very vocal against the government ... But so decent a person with upright character ... He shuns killing and openly stated first for people to avoid the conflicts, then he spoke out against the government for some of their actions and policies ... That came with consequences ... He was one of the first people to issue a fatwa against Bashar, because the problems such as people being killed or kidnapped, etc ... for minor things ...
It was only when fighting started did the fighters from outside come in ... Yes there are already Salafis and Ikhwanis ready to fight in the country too ... But there are huge numbers of moderate Sunnis who will defend themselves as well as Sufis but they do not have the media or financial links as do the Ikhwanis and Salafis ...this is why you think the picture is different from what it really is ...
This invasion of the group who call themselves Hizbullah ... To support the oppressor Bashar ... is not being done for humanitarian reasons ... They want control just like the extremist factions ... Now the good people are fighting three oppositions ...
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
^ So true Pathan Bhai - But one has to know what one is looking for. Ain't that so? :)
what a star!
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^ Truly you are a gentleman! I said that before too!!!! :)
And I am truly touched by your appreciation. Truly you are a gentleman!
Now please answer the following questions with your right hand firmly on your heart.
1) Were you really happy to see Sadaam Hussein go and that Shias in Iraq were liberated from his tyrannical rule? (Keeping in mind that it was NATO/Zionist and Corrupt Arab despots calling the shots)
2) Do you think Bahrainis deserve freedom from tyrant leadership?
3) If it is okay for Hezbollah to cross the border to help the tyrant; then you must support the Saaoudiis crossing the border to teach miscreants a good lesson?
This question is open to all the Shia brothers and sisters active on this thread.
Re: Hezbollah Leader Vows to Fight on Behalf of Syrian Regime
dont know should i laugh or cry... shiaa denying shia militias raping and killing in iraq...
